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Is this Sabal Brazoria or other???

Zone7Bpalmguy

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Allen Grand Master

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On 5/20/2025 at 3:09 PM, Zone7Bpalmguy said:

This was purchased as a sabal Brazoria but to my understanding, the seed stalks remain within the fronds length. Last couple of years they did remain below but this year they are rocketing past the tallest fronds. Is this a Brazoria? Louisiana? Are there exceptions to the rule of the seed stalks? Thoughts? Thanks.

 

 

 

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Stacked boots, not crisscrossed leans minor

My Louisiana trunk a couple years ago and inflorescence 

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Allen Grand Master

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14 hours ago, MattInRaleigh said:

I'm not sure when is the next time I'll be there, but they do have a few pictures online. Here is one with an inflorescence that is much taller than the fronds, so who knows?
https://jcra.ncsu.edu/resources/photographs/plants-results.php?serial=1173image.png.a2171fc762f34c589ceb2b24de5fc899.png

This looks like a minor to me especially with the inflorescence but the pic is hard to see the trunk and rest of the palm

https://www.palmpedia.net/wiki/Sabal_minor

 

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YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7B palms - (Sabal) minor (15+, 3 dwarf),  brazoria (1) , birmingham (3), louisiana (4), palmetto (2),  (Trachycarpus) fortunei (15+), wagnerianus (2+),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix (7),  Blue Butia odorata (1), Serenoa repens (1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows 4F, -6F, -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

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Sharing my new brazoria I picked up from Gary H this week. Man…that guy loves S. minor. And the specimens on his property are jealousy-inducing. 
Gary had 4 Sabal varieties for sale (minor, Birmingham, palmetto, braz), and the brazoria def stood out vs the rest. Much “blue”er. 
I planted this beside our flower bed, which I also added their  perennial hibiscus to. 
8a eastern NC. 
 

 

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GregVirginia7 Experienced

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On 5/27/2025 at 10:52 AM, Chester B said:

Guys I hate to disagree, but everything that I have read says Sabal brazoriensis flowers stalks "Do Not Exceed" the frond length.

https://w3.biosci.utexas.edu/prc/Sabal/Brazoria.html

I do plan on driving over there to look at the palms in person, so I'll take photos and note the flower stalk lengths.

The palm in question to me looks like Louisiana.

Hmmmm…going to have to see what my “Brazoria” flower stalks do. Never knew this. I purchased it as a Brazoria, massive fronds, bluish in color…let’s see what those flower stalks do. If they exceed the length of the fronds, what is it? 

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35 minutes ago, GregVirginia7 said:

Hmmmm…going to have to see what my “Brazoria” flower stalks do. Never knew this. I purchased it as a Brazoria, massive fronds, bluish in color…let’s see what those flower stalks do. If they exceed the length of the fronds, what is it? 

Right! Mine has set seeds the last three years and this is the first year the inflorescence shot above the fronds. Go figure, lol...

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I posted about a couple of Sabal Brazoriensis at the JC Raulston Arboretum in Raleigh, NC in a separate thread that may be helpful for your identification:


Looking at your original pictures @Zone7Bpalmguy again, I would have expected a more costapalmate frond for a Sabal Brazoriensis that size. The split (the "V") in the frond also makes me lean a bit more towards Sabal Minor. If your palm sets seed, try measuring them for another clue for identifying your palm.

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Allen Grand Master

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14 minutes ago, MattInRaleigh said:

I posted about a couple of Sabal Brazoriensis at the JC Raulston Arboretum in Raleigh, NC in a separate thread that may be helpful for your identification:


Looking at your original pictures @Zone7Bpalmguy again, I would have expected a more costapalmate frond for a Sabal Brazoriensis that size. The split (the "V") in the frond also makes me lean a bit more towards Sabal Minor. If your palm sets seed, try measuring them for another clue for identifying your palm.

The seed size between brazoriensis and minor are very similar.  the larger seed size shown by some is a incorrect ID I believe.

brazoriensis Fruit 8-10mm , seed 6-8mm

minor Fruit 6.4mm-9.7mm, seed 4,4-6.9mm

 

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1 hour ago, MattInRaleigh said:

I posted about a couple of Sabal Brazoriensis at the JC Raulston Arboretum in Raleigh, NC in a separate thread that may be helpful for your identification:


Looking at your original pictures @Zone7Bpalmguy again, I would have expected a more costapalmate frond for a Sabal Brazoriensis that size. The split (the "V") in the frond also makes me lean a bit more towards Sabal Minor. If your palm sets seed, try measuring them for another clue for identifying your palm.

@MattInRaleigh Here's a link on this board of my seed pic I posted some days back. 

Yeah I'm not sure what to make of my mystery Sabal. It may be Louisiana but there's no way it's a regular sabal minor. I've grown them for a long time and never had a minor trunk this quick. Usually it's decades. 

I haven't looked closely really but I believe you're right in that it's not very costapalmate. Thanks for stopping by there Matt and getting pictures. 

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Allen Grand Master

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On 6/19/2025 at 8:34 PM, MattInRaleigh said:

I'm not sure when is the next time I'll be there, but they do have a few pictures online. Here is one with an inflorescence that is much taller than the fronds, so who knows?
https://jcra.ncsu.edu/resources/photographs/plants-results.php?serial=1173image.png.a2171fc762f34c589ceb2b24de5fc899.png

In the other thread I don't think you did a pic of this palm from your visit to JC Raulston?  Did you see it when you were there or what is the story on this one?

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7B palms - (Sabal) minor (15+, 3 dwarf),  brazoria (1) , birmingham (3), louisiana (4), palmetto (2),  (Trachycarpus) fortunei (15+), wagnerianus (2+),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix (7),  Blue Butia odorata (1), Serenoa repens (1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows 4F, -6F, -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

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31 minutes ago, Allen said:

In the other thread I don't think you did a pic of this palm from your visit to JC Raulston?  Did you see it when you were there or what is the story on this one?

They occasionally have pictures from other gardens or in habitat. I don't recognize that background, and the only other Sabal Brazoriensis they currently have (three total) is the one pictured below.  So I would guess it's from a different garden. The one pictured below is in deep shade so it has really long petioles. The top of the fronds I would guess to be 12 feet from the ground. It's right next to a building which may have caused it to grow faster than the other two Sabal Brazoriensis at the garden.

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Allen Grand Master

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16 minutes ago, MattInRaleigh said:

They occasionally have pictures from other gardens or in habitat. I don't recognize that background, and the only other Sabal Brazoriensis they currently have (three total) is the one pictured below.  So I would guess it's from a different garden. The one pictured below is in deep shade so it has really long petioles. The top of the fronds I would guess to be 12 feet from the ground. It's right next to a building which may have caused it to grow faster than the other two Sabal Brazoriensis at the garden.

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OK the other one was the one that looked a lot like a minor to me so I was trying to get some clarification on it.  This one above is not a minor!

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7B palms - (Sabal) minor (15+, 3 dwarf),  brazoria (1) , birmingham (3), louisiana (4), palmetto (2),  (Trachycarpus) fortunei (15+), wagnerianus (2+),  Rhapidophyllum hystrix (7),  Blue Butia odorata (1), Serenoa repens (1) +Tons of tropical plants.  Recent Yearly Lows 4F, -6F, -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F

 

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I posted another example of Sabal Brazoriensis inflorescence in Raleigh. I hope this helps further with your identification.

 

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