MattyB Posted December 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Yeah, that 30F-32F mark seems to be the magic number for a lot of plants. If you can squeek by above that then you should be fine. Even if it's a bit lower than that a sheet covering a plant will eek you by with little to no damage. I had real good luck with just throwing a sheet over some plants last year. Matt Bradford "Manambe Lavaka" Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay) 10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation) 9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 53F overnight with a whopping 1.48 inches of rainfall. Was so surprised since I could not hear it raining last night even with the bedroom window open a little bit [love to hear the sound of rainfall at night The current storm is moving eastward into Arizona/New Mexico with cut-off energy circulating over the coastal waters of SoCal with clouds/light showers/humidity. Another much weaker system should move into SoCal tomorrow w/ possible rainfall. But the real concern is the cold air behind the front. NWS keeps minimums in the 40's metro areas & 30's inland w/ above freezing temps including Oceanside/Temecula well into next week Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted December 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 1.48" dang, that's a lot for overnight. Matt Bradford "Manambe Lavaka" Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay) 10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation) 9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakypalmguy Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 (happ @ Dec. 19 2007,17:42)QUOTEw/ above freezing temps including Oceanside/Temecula well into next week Ahhhhhhh...... that's encouraging news happ, thank you Matt in Temecula, CA Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Oceanside got a reported .61 inches, looks about right in the "trashcan guage". I'm mostly exstatic that I've recently put a very good sized Psuedophoenix eckmanii in a 7 gal pot and put it on my south facing deck, and it's growing!!!! (knock on my wooden head here) (I should note here, Ithink its the sun on the black pot and the radiant heat from the wall that is making this guy happy, sun ready helps too!!) Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." , "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elHoagie Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I'm in Hawaii right now, but laHoagie reported 34mm of rain last night at my place... Jack Sayers East Los Angeles growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted December 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 34mm? What is that like a foot...I don't know....come on Jack this is the SoCal thread you can use inches... 53F for a low last night. We still have cloud cover this morning. I thought it was gonna be clear and cold. This is great though staying in the 50's. Bill, on several occasions I've noticed plants that I've dug up performing better in black pots getting heated up by the sun than their counter parts that got put directly into the ground. This leads me to believe that if you have to dig up something in the colder months then put it in a black pot and let it bake in the sun until spring. Matt Bradford "Manambe Lavaka" Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay) 10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation) 9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osideterry Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 41F. Nice to be above 40 2 days in a row. It was 53F by 8am. I'm going to boldly predict that this will be an average/moderate winter. Average lows (no arctic blast), and 9-12" of total rainfall. Some might think predicting "average" a safe and boring move, but average is something we only get about 1 year in 5. Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22 7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m) Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C) Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 I envy the rain count in the LA area, it wasn't much here yesterday. (Haven't installed the rain guage yet.) Overnight low was 56F, cloudy. Terry, I hope your 'bold' prediction is correct! Kim Cyr Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow All characters in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 Yes the rainfall from yesterday’s storm over LA County was gratefully received in the bone-dry earth. In-fact just like the last storm all the rain soaked into the soil without puddles Remember the last big storm dumped several inches of rain over San Diego County [esp northern areas like Oceanside] since the system moved up from Baja. Yesterday's storm moved down the coast from the north [normally northern storms don't provide much rainfall for SoCal but the storm stalled coming around Pt. Conception and sat over the Basin for several hours. Our big rains in SoCal have a tropical connection [Pineapple Express] that unloads abundant moisture. Let's hope we get a few of those storms this winter Lo: 52F Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shon Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 52 last night. Weather.com has me warming up this fri night to 34,up from 31 which it showed on monday. Let's hope it keeps going up. San Marcos CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgila Posted December 20, 2007 Report Share Posted December 20, 2007 more rain would be good.i heard on the radio that we are only slightly below our "normal" rainfall so far. the "prince of snarkness." still "warning-free." san diego,california,left coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazondk Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 (MattyB @ Dec. 20 2007,12:45)QUOTE34mm? What is that like a foot...I don't know....come on Jack this is the SoCal thread you can use inches... 53F for a low last night. We still have cloud cover this morning. I thought it was gonna be clear and cold. This is great though staying in the 50's. Bill, on several occasions I've noticed plants that I've dug up performing better in black pots getting heated up by the sun than their counter parts that got put directly into the ground. This leads me to believe that if you have to dig up something in the colder months then put it in a black pot and let it bake in the sun until spring. Matt, 300 mm is a foot. dk Don Kittelson LIFE ON THE RIO NEGRO 03° 06' 07'' South 60° 01' 30'' West Altitude 92 Meters / 308 feet above sea level 1,500 kms / 932 miles to the mouth of the Amazon River Manaus, Amazonas, Brazil - A Cidade da Floresta Where the world´s largest Tropical Rainforest embraces the Greatest Rivers in the World. . Click here to visit Amazonas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 (pohonkelapa @ Dec. 20 2007,15:04)QUOTEmore rain would be good.i heard on the radio that we are only slightly below our "normal" rainfall so far. Well, the worker guy type people moved around 3 windows today, so I am not quite as weatherproof in the house as I was recently. This shall ensure continued rainfall until I am able to get more stucco around the windows. Glad I can help everybody out. ??? Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." , "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 (BS, Man about Palms @ Dec. 20 2007,17:37)QUOTE (pohonkelapa @ Dec. 20 2007,15:04)QUOTEmore rain would be good.i heard on the radio that we are only slightly below our "normal" rainfall so far. Well, the worker guy type people moved around 3 windows today, so I am not quite as weatherproof in the house as I was recently. This shall ensure continued rainfall until I am able to get more stucco around the windows. Glad I can help everybody out. ??? Thank you so much for that, Bill! Got a good drenching between 9:30 and 10:00 last night. Keep up the good work! Low this morning 44.4 under mostly clear, starry skies. Kim Cyr Between the beach and the bays, Point Loma, San Diego, California USA and on a 300 year-old lava flow, Pahoa, Hawaii, 1/4 mile from the 2018 flow All characters in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 43F and damp out here. Afraid to go look at "water incursion"......... Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." , "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osideterry Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 39F, and I got a rogue shower early in the morning. Tomorrow mornings forecast is 32F, with 22mph winds from the ENE, translating into 19F windchill temp. How alarming should that be regarding palms? Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22 7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m) Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C) Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakypalmguy Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 35F. Tonight is forcast to 28F Matt in Temecula, CA Hot and dry in the summer, cold with light frost in the winter. Halfway between the desert and ocean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted December 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 45.3F exactly on both sensors. .16" of rain and it occured in about an hour then stopped. Matt Bradford "Manambe Lavaka" Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay) 10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation) 9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 49F here due to quite strong winds overnight [watched the temperature jump up & down all night There is another cold airmass over California but wind should be a major factor in mixing the night temperatures. freakypalmguy NWS-SD 7-day for Temucula 12-21-07 200h TEMECULA Today: SUNNY 60 Saturday: SUNNY 35/66 Sunday: SUNNY 35/67 Monday: SUNNY 39/66 Tuesday: SUNNY 39/64 Wednesday: PTCLDY 36/60 Thursday: SUNNY 39/61 Are you in a low basin/canyon? Looks like December will remain cooler than normal w/ the remote possiblity of showers. Not the best weather for palms Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmGuyWC Posted December 21, 2007 Report Share Posted December 21, 2007 The temp. in Walnut Creek fell to 31F this morning before daylight, and it was at or below freezing for about 6 hours. There was the whitest frost of the season, but there was a lot of moisture left from the rain two days ago. It never really warmed up today, so I expect tonight will be even colder. I'm throwing a sheet over my Parajubaea T V T tonight. It was pretty badly burned by 23F last winter, and now it looks so nice. It was covered with frost this morning, but looks fine. Dick Richard Douglas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Los Altos Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Last night's low here was 40F. Today's high was only 55F. Forecast for tonight is between 32F and 38F depending on the weather forecast source. One interesting note: I have two 20 gallon bottle palms. One is in my living room for the winter and the other one has been outside on a south facing wall. Since Dec. 5 the spear on the one inside grew 0.5" while the one outside in the cool to chilly weather has put on a full inch of growth in the same period. Jim in Los Altos, CA SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level zone 10a/9b sunset zone 16 300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground Las Palmas Design Facebook Page Las Palmas Design & Associates Elegant Homes and Gardens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Jim Soil temps likely cool down slower then the air, right? ??? Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Los Altos Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 (happ @ Dec. 21 2007,18:04)QUOTEJim Soil temps likely cool down slower then the air, right? ??? My soil temps have remained fairly constant over the last month with soil temps in the mid 50s except 60s in the warmest part of my yard. The potted bottle palm's soil cools rapidly at night but warms nicely during the day if there's plenty of sun. Jim in Los Altos, CA SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level zone 10a/9b sunset zone 16 300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground Las Palmas Design Facebook Page Las Palmas Design & Associates Elegant Homes and Gardens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmhut1 Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Vista is 35 clear......and cold. Plant a palm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osideterry Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 It hit 29.7 and is at 29.9 now. A nearby birdbath's water is frozen a good 1/8" thick. I pulled everything movable into the garage at midnight because it was 34. Definitely got frost on the lawn. Nothing real tender in the ground thanks to last year's freeze. Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22 7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m) Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C) Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cycadcenter Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Can anyone beat 25.8 last night. The coldest December night that I can remember!! SO MUCH FOR GLOBAL WARMING. Now living the life in Childers, Queensland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 34F lastnight/this morning. I will add an interesting note, at about 10 pm or later I went out to pull in a couple palms. When I walked by my indoor remote monitor, my cold spot showed 41.7F , it was fairly still out. I was only out for 3-4 mins max, but the wind kicked up while I was out there, when I came back, I glanced at the monitor again and it was at 43.2F!!! (I was nowhere near the monitor) Yep, I like breezes at night!! 36F right now. Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." , "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Not surprisingly, the NWS has computer problems but you can locate your location/temp here http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowest/mwmap.php?map=la It is really cold in places [sorry that includes some member's gardens NWS underestimated impact of cold air but, as always, it is entirely location NWS-LA 12-22-07 700H SAN DIEGO 42 NORTH ISLAND 45 CAMP PENDLETON 29 OCEANSIDE AP 34 CARLSBAD 41 DEL MAR 45 VALLEY CENTER 45 N. ESCONDIDO 41 RANCHO BERNARDO 45 POWAY 34 RAMONA 48 HUNTINGTON BEACH 38 FULLERTON AP 38 L.A. AIRPORT 47 L.A. DOWNTOWN 39 BURBANK 36 VAN NUYS 48 MALIBU 53 CORONA 44 CHINO 32 SAN BERNARDINO 45 MURRIETA 42 TEMECULA 35 Temp remained above 50F/10c until 2 hours before sunrise; minimum so far is 46F/7.7c Hey, this has been a shitty month: cool days/cold nights so early. Northern Hemisphere winter solstice was yesterday Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 (happ @ Dec. 22 2007,07:45)QUOTEIt is really cold in places [sorry that includes some member's gardens NWS underestimated impact of cold air but, as always, it is entirely location NWS-LA 12-22-07 700H VALLEY CENTER 45 N. ESCONDIDO 41 RANCHO BERNARDO 45 RAMONA 48 MALIBU 53 MURRIETA 42 Temp remained above 50F/10c until 2 hours before sunrise; minimum so far is 46F/7.7c Some how, these numbers don't look accurate, I wonder how often they check their accuracy. I think especially the Ramona one Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." , "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elHoagie Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Official report from laHoagie is that the low in El Sereno was above 6C (43F), and happened sometime around 3AM... Jack Sayers East Los Angeles growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubravsky Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 In Riverside I hit 34... much better than the 29 that was forecast... wind held up around here until today. Dave Riverside, CA Z 9b 1700 ft. elevation approx 40 miles inland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osideterry Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Ah... Wind. That would have been nice. Zone 9b/10a, Sunset Zone 22 7 miles inland. Elevation 120ft (37m) Average annual low temp: 30F (-1C) Average annual rainfall: 8" (20cm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shon Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 33 last night, and tonight lookin about the same.36 in the best part of my yard. My only solace is at least December almost over. San Marcos CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 (BS, Man about Palms @ Dec. 22 2007,10:51)QUOTE (happ @ Dec. 22 2007,07:45)QUOTEIt is really cold in places [sorry that includes some member's gardens NWS underestimated impact of cold air but, as always, it is entirely location NWS-LA 12-22-07 700H VALLEY CENTER 45 N. ESCONDIDO 41 RANCHO BERNARDO 45 RAMONA 48 MALIBU 53 MURRIETA 42 Temp remained above 50F/10c until 2 hours before sunrise; minimum so far is 46F/7.7c Some how, these numbers don't look accurate, I wonder how often they check their accuracy. I think especially the Ramona one Bill I was also surprised by the data coming out of Ramona until I looked closer. Take a look at this link. The temp jumped from 35F at 11PM to 45F after midnight when the wind started http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/mesowes....ner=off Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Thanks for the link, Happ. Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." , "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulgila Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 approx.36 or 37F under canopy last nite. the "prince of snarkness." still "warning-free." san diego,california,left coast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Los Altos Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Got down to 34F up here last night. Forecast for tonight is 39F. No visible frost in my yard yet this season. High today was only 55F. Tomorrow's expected high is 60F. Jim in Los Altos, CA SF Bay Area 37.34N- 122.13W- 190' above sea level zone 10a/9b sunset zone 16 300+ palms, 90+ species in the ground Las Palmas Design Facebook Page Las Palmas Design & Associates Elegant Homes and Gardens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happ Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Actually turned out to be a nice day w/ low 70s in places & more to come Sunday. NWS is forecasting widespread 40's & above freezing in usual high risk domains. keep in mind last night's forecast was for above 32F/0c coastal/low desert yet some got stung Week ahead looks dry/sunny & staying chilly day/nights LA: 68F/20c 46F/7.2c Los Angeles/Pasadena 34° 10' N 118° 18' W Elevation: 910'/278m January Average Hi/Lo: 69F/50F July Average Hi/Lo: 88F/66F Average Rainfall: 19"/48cm USDA 11/Sunset 23 http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?MTW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Man about Palms Posted December 23, 2007 Report Share Posted December 23, 2007 Love that breeze. above 40F all night here. Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time. "The great workman of nature is time." , "Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience." -George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon- I do some experiments and learning in my garden with palms so you don't have to experience the pain! Look at my old threads to find various observations and tips! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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