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Should I add more heat to my Windmill & Sago ?


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Hello everyone, 

We have an abnormally cold winter here in NJ, USA, and the sensor in the Windmill palm's box showed 19F (-7C) last night.

Should I add more heating, or she should be fine?

Also, what minimum temperature inside the winter box would you allow for a Sago palm?

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Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

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If you have a insulated box you might add enough so it hits the 30's although that 19F probably didn't hurt anything.  Your sensor should be in spear area of palm.  For sago I have no idea

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Thank you, @Allen

Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

Posted
On 1/21/2025 at 6:05 PM, PashkaTLT said:

Hello everyone, 

We have an abnormally cold winter here in NJ, USA, and the sensor in the Windmill palm's box showed 19F (-7C) last night.

Should I add more heating, or she should be fine?

Also, what minimum temperature inside the winter box would you allow for a Sago palm?

@PashkaTLT I’m by no means an expert on sago palms as I just started growing one outside last year in a zone 8a climate but here’s my observations so far. I planted it in the ground in June of last summer and it only has 2 flushes on it. I put a 5 gallon bucket and some fallen oak leaves over it as it’s only protection and it has seen 15 for a low so far. It looks perfectly fine and it had no heat source. Someone with much more experience told me to cover them the first winter or two if it’s going to get below 20 but they acclimate well and can generally take 14-15 F after that and show no damage without protection.

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On 1/22/2025 at 1:05 AM, PashkaTLT said:

Hello everyone, 

We have an abnormally cold winter here in NJ, USA, and the sensor in the Windmill palm's box showed 19F (-7C) last night.

Should I add more heating, or she should be fine?

Also, what minimum temperature inside the winter box would you allow for a Sago palm?

We also have a sago palm, cycas revoluta and at -8 degrees Celsius it had lost all its leaves a few years ago, then came back in late summer and made 2 full crowns by December that year, we were very surprised 

Yes, heat a little, in our opinion.

it is much hardier than we thought.

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Just now, Mazat said:

We also have a sago palm, cycas revoluta and at -8 degrees Celsius it had lost all its leaves a few years ago, then came back in late summer and made 2 full crowns by December that year, we were very surprised 

Yes, heat a little, in our opinion.

it is much hardier than we thought.

The temperature can also vary in a box. It comes out well. Good luck with your exotics 

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On 1/21/2025 at 7:05 PM, PashkaTLT said:

Hello everyone, 

We have an abnormally cold winter here in NJ, USA, and the sensor in the Windmill palm's box showed 19F (-7C) last night.

Should I add more heating, or she should be fine?

Also, what minimum temperature inside the winter box would you allow for a Sago palm?

As far as the Sago - I have two in pots, both in Florida and in Connecticut. Never planted one in ground however. I take the one in CT inside in mid November and it goes back on the patio at the end of March. 

I can only tell you I see them a great deal along the North and South Carolina coast (they are everywhere in Charleston) and they see to handle the brief mid 20's F ok. They burn, but come back from what I've seen.

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59 minutes ago, Mazat said:

The temperature can also vary in a box. It comes out well. Good luck with your exotics 

Yes, they temperatures very a lot. For example, a lot depends on the box size. It's much easier to heat a 4' box than an 8' box.

Thank you for wishing good luck. With such low temperatures (the lowest I've seen living for the last 10 years in NY metro area) we need all the luck we can get...

2 additional heat cables will come today + I will install 4 additional wifi sensors, to better know which boxes need more heating.

Planted palms: Sabal minor, W. Robusta (Mexican Fan Palm, my favourite!), Windmill, Pindo, Needle, European Fan, Sago palm, Saw Palmetto, Pygmy Date palm

Inside during winter: Majesty, Cat palm, Chinese fan palm, Mexican Fan palm

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1 hour ago, Subtropical LIS said:

As far as the Sago - I have two in pots, both in Florida and in Connecticut. Never planted one in ground however. I take the one in CT inside in mid November and it goes back on the patio at the end of March. 

I can only tell you I see them a great deal along the North and South Carolina coast (they are everywhere in Charleston) and they see to handle the brief mid 20's F ok. They burn, but come back from what I've seen.

It’s interesting on the variability of these. The ones I see in west Texas seem to handle 15-20 F unprotected with no issues. I see a lot of mature nice looking plants around that seemed unaffected after the cold January.

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the adaptability of cycas revoluta is very astonishing. for example it thrives in switzerland in a moderate climate here on lake constance - but better with protection, at least passively, in the insubiric climate, which prevails above all on lake lugano, lake maggiore and lake walen. the name comes from the celtic and describes a climate with only slight temperature fluctuations and abundant, sometimes thundery summer rainfall.
also in the area of the canton of wallis where the climate tends to be very dry, almost a kind of steppe climate, cacti also thrive magnificently there. cold winters with very hot (by swiss standards) summers with temperatures well up to 37 degrees celsius and sometimes higher maximum temperatures in the summer months.
sago palm therefore tolerates large amounts of precipitation as well as little rainfall.

 

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3 hours ago, Subtropical LIS said:

As far as the Sago - I have two in pots, both in Florida and in Connecticut. Never planted one in ground however. I take the one in CT inside in mid November and it goes back on the patio at the end of March. 

I can only tell you I see them a great deal along the North and South Carolina coast (they are everywhere in Charleston) and they see to handle the brief mid 20's F ok. They burn, but come back from what I've seen.

Subtropical LIS: you can of course also plant them out, your climate is perfect for this, but admittedly they also look very good in pots. that's just by the way 😀

my friends in southern ticino also have them partly in pots and partly in the ground.

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Just now, Mazat said:

Subtropical LIS: you can of course also plant them out, your climate is perfect for this, but admittedly they also look very good in pots. that's just by the way 😀

my friends in southern ticino also have them partly in pots and partly in the ground.

climate in beach county, fl.

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Posted
10 hours ago, KPoff said:
8 hours ago, Mazat said:

Subtropical LIS: you can of course also plant them out, your climate is perfect for this, but admittedly they also look very good in pots. that's just by the way 😀

my friends in southern ticino also have them partly in pots and partly in the ground.

I have to admit...I'm a sucker for potted tropicals/palms. I would like to plant them out but they look so nice their pots, and I can move them without too much effort.  Maybe this year I might give it a go. 

 

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10 hours ago, KPoff said:

It’s interesting on the variability of these. The ones I see in west Texas seem to handle 15-20 F unprotected with no issues. I see a lot of mature nice looking plants around that seemed unaffected after the cold January.

Agree there seems to be a good deal of variability of Sago Palms. I would think the ones in drier areas like Texas would do better, but Sago is native to southeast Japan, and it’s quite wet there, so who knows. Never seen the ones in West Texas, but I was on Galveston Island several years back and saw some really big ones there.

Over here on the East Coast, you see them here and there in the resort/beach cities, but not much in central and south Florida it seems. Furthest north I’ve seen them here on the East Coast is in Bethany Beach, Delaware (mom lives in area):

 

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Here's a video by ShoeTELEVISION He has made many videos about these sago palms and Palms all over the East Coast 

 

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Lows in the past couple years.2025 -15℉, 2024 1℉, 2023 1℉, 2022 -4℉, 2021 7℉, 2020 10℉, 2019 -5℉, 2018 0℉, 2017 4℉, 2016 8℉, 2015 -1℉, 2014 -4℉, 2013 8℉, 2012 10℉, 2011 3℉ 2010 6℉, 2009 -5℉, 2008 5℉, 2007 1℉, 2006 8℉, 2005 3℉, 2004 0℉ 2003 5℉, 2002 3℉, 2001 6℉, 2000 0℉,

Posted
10 hours ago, Subtropical LIS said:

Agree there seems to be a good deal of variability of Sago Palms. I would think the ones in drier areas like Texas would do better, but Sago is native to southeast Japan, and it’s quite wet there, so who knows. Never seen the ones in West Texas, but I was on Galveston Island several years back and saw some really big ones there.

Over here on the East Coast, you see them here and there in the resort/beach cities, but not much in central and south Florida it seems. Furthest north I’ve seen them here on the East Coast is in Bethany Beach, Delaware (mom lives in area):

 

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@Subtropical LIS those are impressive! Most I see in west Texas aren’t that big because inevitably a cold winter comes and destroys the leaves at some point if unprotected. But I see many that are trunking they just usually have smaller crowns. My Mom lives in the Carabelle area of Florida in the winter and there are a lot of impressive sagos there.

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On 1/23/2025 at 11:03 PM, PaPalmTrees said:

Here's a video by ShoeTELEVISION He has made many videos about these sago palms and Palms all over the East Coast 

 

Yes...have seen his page, very cool vids of palms in NJ and other areas. He goes down to Delaware beaches a lot.

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On 1/24/2025 at 8:42 AM, KPoff said:

@Subtropical LIS those are impressive! Most I see in west Texas aren’t that big because inevitably a cold winter comes and destroys the leaves at some point if unprotected. But I see many that are trunking they just usually have smaller crowns. My Mom lives in the Carabelle area of Florida in the winter and there are a lot of impressive sagos there.

Been through Carabelle many times going up and down Highway 98 – lol. Great sea food in that area (especially shrimp!)

There are many cool looks to Sago’s. I hope to someday get my potted ones to have more of a trunk. Down on the islands of the lower East Coast you do see some with tall trunks, landscapers in those areas seem to incorporate them into plantings when they want a small palm-type plant. I see a lot of sago’s used that way on South Carolina and Georgia resort islands:

 

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16 minutes ago, Subtropical LIS said:

Yes...have seen his page, very cool vids of palms in NJ and other areas. He goes down to Delaware beaches a lot.

It almost seems like he lives in Delaware how much he goes down there LOL

Lows in the past couple years.2025 -15℉, 2024 1℉, 2023 1℉, 2022 -4℉, 2021 7℉, 2020 10℉, 2019 -5℉, 2018 0℉, 2017 4℉, 2016 8℉, 2015 -1℉, 2014 -4℉, 2013 8℉, 2012 10℉, 2011 3℉ 2010 6℉, 2009 -5℉, 2008 5℉, 2007 1℉, 2006 8℉, 2005 3℉, 2004 0℉ 2003 5℉, 2002 3℉, 2001 6℉, 2000 0℉,

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