Jump to content
SCAMMER ALERT - IMPORTANT - PLEASE READ - CLICK HERE ×
  • WELCOME GUEST

    It looks as if you are viewing PalmTalk as an unregistered Guest.

    Please consider registering so as to take better advantage of our vast knowledge base and friendly community.  By registering you will gain access to many features - among them are our powerful Search feature, the ability to Private Message other Users, and be able to post and/or answer questions from all over the world. It is completely free, no “catches,” and you will have complete control over how you wish to use this site.

    PalmTalk is sponsored by the International Palm Society. - an organization dedicated to learning everything about and enjoying palm trees (and their companion plants) while conserving endangered palm species and habitat worldwide. Please take the time to know us all better and register.

    guest Renda04.jpg

Polar Vortex Jan 2025 - Are you preparing your palms?


Recommended Posts

Posted
7 hours ago, mthteh1916 said:

I didn't think you said anything out of turn to the guy in Texas. What the guy in TX maybe doesn't realize yet but he will is the southeast US is an awful climate to grow palms besides sabals. I have a friend in NZ at 40S growing navel oranges and never once had a tree freeze. And of course when is the last time you heard people in Spain and Italy frantically trying to protect their citrus from temps in the low teens. It never happens. Europe grows commercial citrus at 40N, something America can't even muster at 30N. We have the worst geography in the world.

I know people in central FL have had their citrus trees frozen solid and die within weeks. There is a reason we have no native broadleaf evergreens except for ugly live oaks, while China is native to citrus and camelias and tons of broadleaf evergreens. Scientists have studied this. The US Southeast is so wildly erratic temp wise that you can get weeks of 70F weather in the winter, followed by temps in the low teens. It kills everything. It is the worst subtropical climate in the world bar none. I wouldn't even classify it as subtropical. Houston is a warm continental climate but certainly not subtropical went you can hit 7F. China, Australia, Argentina, Europe, the Middle East, etc etc. can grow far more and at higher latitudes, and never have winter temps deviate by 40F like the SE US. They are lucky if their temps deviate in winter by 10F.

It is a horrible palm growing climate. that is why this cold hardy forum is full of Americans and basically no one else. . Every winter this cold palm forum is the domain of Americans dealing with these cold outbreaks, while people at 40N latitude in Europe are growing stuff no one can in Louisiana. WE have the worst palm growing climate for such low latitude locations.   6F at 30N no where else in the world ever.  In the 1980's Mobile Al went down to 7F and here we are and they went to 6F at 30N latitude at sea level. Not a single location on earth at that latitude has ever gotten that cold. Never. 

Rotten geography which Americans will never admit to.  I am much older than most on this forum. In the 1980's you couldn't grow a cidp to save your life in Houston. When you went to Houston in the late 80's you saw nothing but the most hardy of palms. Winter low mins in Houston 1982 12F, 1983 11F, 1989 the big winner at 7F. In 1983 Houston had three days in a row without going above freezing with an ultimate low of 11F. Not a single pinnate palm was left. Grow palms in Houston and the rest of the Southeast US at your own risk. Eventually all will die except sabals. When was the last time Nice France or Naples Italy hit 7F? 

I want to argue back. But I can’t. He’s extremely negative, but extremely accurate. Honestly, if it weren’t for family I would not live here in south Louisiana. We have “arctic” storms AND “tropical” storms in the same location!? Absolutely ridiculous. I rolled the dice and spent dollars and years on 4 butia x parajubaea which were fruiting. I don’t know if they will pull through. Was it worth it to look out over the pool and see large pinnate palms for a few years? Probably so.

  • Like 5
Posted

In hindsight I should have defoliated and wrapped. But I just couldn’t make myself cut all of those fronds off. 

image.jpg

  • Like 4
Posted
7 hours ago, mthteh1916 said:

I didn't think you said anything out of turn to the guy in Texas. What the guy in TX maybe doesn't realize yet but he will is the southeast US is an awful climate to grow palms besides sabals. I have a friend in NZ at 40S growing navel oranges and never once had a tree freeze. And of course when is the last time you heard people in Spain and Italy frantically trying to protect their citrus from temps in the low teens. It never happens. Europe grows commercial citrus at 40N, something America can't even muster at 30N. We have the worst geography in the world...

I do agree with your sentiments overall.

However, I just wanted to note that a lot of these sites are English-based, to be fair. Hence, there's usually a language barrier such that it can be hard to compare experiences with those from China/East Asia. So, I don't fully think that it's matter of people "not realizing yet" necessarily.

As for commercial citrus, it looks like the Central Valley in California saves the day there.

  • Like 2
Posted
14 minutes ago, Tropicdoc said:

In hindsight I should have defoliated and wrapped. But I just couldn’t make myself cut all of those fronds off. 

image.jpg

I hope they pull through, I’d agree tho that it was worth it to have that stunning backdrop behind the pool 

  • Like 2
Posted

I just went look. There’s still a little green at the base of the spear. Recs everybody? I’m gonna go to Lowe’s in a bit. Daconil down the crown? Copper sulfate? Peroxide?

  • Like 2
Posted

Perixide for sure, others wont hurt but daconil is what many use here.  Peroxide is a good preventative too and can be used any time before and after.

  • Like 1
Posted

peroxide saved two of my palms after spear pulling last march

Posted
On 1/12/2025 at 6:36 PM, Axel Amsterdam said:

I believe your garden is very mild but another PT member has observed before that your bangalow suffers from delayed cold damage, manifesting itself  in brown leaves later during the growing season. Sometimes plants don’t follow the temps and zones precisely, for good and for bad. Sometimes pictures speak more than words.

In general i believe your technical observations about London, weatherstations and zones would gain strength from regularly posting pictures of your garden and the plants. Like most PT members here do really. 

That's the Archontophoenix C.illawara. I think I didn't water it enough and it dried out the fronds last year rather than it being cold damage. Though it could be a bit of both as they are less hardy than regular banglows. The regular banglow didnt have this. 

  • Like 1
Posted
10 hours ago, mthteh1916 said:

I didn't think you said anything out of turn to the guy in Texas. What the guy in TX maybe doesn't realize yet but he will is the southeast US is an awful climate to grow palms besides sabals. I have a friend in NZ at 40S growing navel oranges and never once had a tree freeze. And of course when is the last time you heard people in Spain and Italy frantically trying to protect their citrus from temps in the low teens. It never happens. Europe grows commercial citrus at 40N, something America can't even muster at 30N. We have the worst geography in the world.

I know people in central FL have had their citrus trees frozen solid and die within weeks. There is a reason we have no native broadleaf evergreens except for ugly live oaks, while China is native to citrus and camelias and tons of broadleaf evergreens. Scientists have studied this. The US Southeast is so wildly erratic temp wise that you can get weeks of 70F weather in the winter, followed by temps in the low teens. It kills everything. It is the worst subtropical climate in the world bar none. I wouldn't even classify it as subtropical. Houston is a warm continental climate but certainly not subtropical went you can hit 7F. China, Australia, Argentina, Europe, the Middle East, etc etc. can grow far more and at higher latitudes, and never have winter temps deviate by 40F like the SE US. They are lucky if their temps deviate in winter by 10F.

It is a horrible palm growing climate. that is why this cold hardy forum is full of Americans and basically no one else. . Every winter this cold palm forum is the domain of Americans dealing with these cold outbreaks, while people at 40N latitude in Europe are growing stuff no one can in Louisiana. WE have the worst palm growing climate for such low latitude locations.   6F at 30N no where else in the world ever.  In the 1980's Mobile Al went down to 7F and here we are and they went to 6F at 30N latitude at sea level. Not a single location on earth at that latitude has ever gotten that cold. Never. 

Rotten geography which Americans will never admit to.  I am much older than most on this forum. In the 1980's you couldn't grow a cidp to save your life in Houston. When you went to Houston in the late 80's you saw nothing but the most hardy of palms. Winter low mins in Houston 1982 12F, 1983 11F, 1989 the big winner at 7F. In 1983 Houston had three days in a row without going above freezing with an ultimate low of 11F. Not a single pinnate palm was left. Grow palms in Houston and the rest of the Southeast US at your own risk. Eventually all will die except sabals. When was the last time Nice France or Naples Italy hit 7F? 

Give it a rest Tom, you only come out and talk when there's some cold outbreak in the southeast US so you can feed your fixation with "The southeastern US is a climate fail". You've been doing this for over 15 years in several online forums/communities. I used to go back and forth with you in 2010 so I know. You grasp on to every anecdote you hear to magnify your bias and start inflammatory 50 page threads. Please feel free to share your experience growing palm trees but I think it's telling when the majority of your posts are incendiary and derisive. You haven't received the response you wanted so this is like the nth time you've tried to derail this thread into an argument about China, New Zealand, wherever else in the world? Who are you preaching to? I don't see any poster in this thread celebrating how "the US south is a subtropical paradise" :blink2:

Also you know nothing about Houston, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for just being ignorant. If you lived here before 2010 +/- or just drove around you'd know there were plenty of pre-80s CIDP.  Some of them are still around. Most have died within the past 20 years from lethal bronzing disease. 

  • Like 5
  • Upvote 1

Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

Posted

Uncovered the Cyphophoenix, Euterpe, and Archontophoenix today. We got live ones 😄 

IMG_20250125_101442.thumb.jpg.c99d5f94f991a41eea9673e39773ea8e.jpg

IMG_20250125_101430.thumb.jpg.db1b16788bc3f6decc9b8c77b441608e.jpg

  • Like 8

Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

Posted
2 hours ago, Xenon said:

Give it a rest Tom, you only come out and talk when there's some cold outbreak in the southeast US so you can feed your fixation with "The southeastern US is a climate fail". You've been doing this for over 15 years in several online forums/communities. I used to go back and forth with you in 2010 so I know. You grasp on to every anecdote you hear to magnify your bias and start inflammatory 50 page threads. Please feel free to share your experience growing palm trees but I think it's telling when the majority of your posts are incendiary and derisive. You haven't received the response you wanted so this is like the nth time you've tried to derail this thread into an argument about China, New Zealand, wherever else in the world? Who are you preaching to? I don't see any poster in this thread celebrating how "the US south is a subtropical paradise" :blink2:

Also you know nothing about Houston, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for just being ignorant. If you lived here before 2010 +/- or just drove around you'd know there were plenty of pre-80s CIDP.  Some of them are still around. Most have died within the past 20 years from lethal bronzing disease. 

🍿🍿👀👀

  • Like 1
Posted

IMG_6508.thumb.jpeg.043e2a9f8f9f183f337202d5248d480c.jpeg

Just uncovered my baby arenga englerii and it seems to be doing fine 

Same with the phoenix reclinata and one baby mule palm that was covered. 
3 other mules the same size show no damage(yet) and were not protected at all besides live oak canopy 

  • Like 6
Posted
29 minutes ago, Robbertico18 said:

Just uncovered my baby arenga englerii and it seems to be doing fine

How cold did it get for you? 

Mine is significantly larger and will likely completely defoliate (and may even die). It was protected by one of those mini-greenhouse tents. 

Posted

24 ish???

the airport says it got down to 23 but where I live downtown it’s usually a couple degrees warmer. Mine was protected with that Home Depot bucket in the picture 

Posted
5 hours ago, Xenon said:

Uncovered the Cyphophoenix, Euterpe, and Archontophoenix today. We got live ones 😄 

IMG_20250125_101442.thumb.jpg.c99d5f94f991a41eea9673e39773ea8e.jpg

IMG_20250125_101430.thumb.jpg.db1b16788bc3f6decc9b8c77b441608e.jpg

Did you give the jaboticaba supplemental heat or just wrapping?

Posted
1 minute ago, amh said:

Did you give the jaboticaba supplemental heat or just wrapping?

mini xmas lights insulated with mylar, fabric, and plastic. some water containers for good measure (the forecast was 12-15F...thankfully "only" 19F in the end)

  • Like 2

Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

Posted
15 hours ago, mthteh1916 said:

I didn't think you said anything out of turn to the guy in Texas. What the guy in TX maybe doesn't realize yet but he will is the southeast US is an awful climate to grow palms besides sabals. I have a friend in NZ at 40S growing navel oranges and never once had a tree freeze. And of course when is the last time you heard people in Spain and Italy frantically trying to protect their citrus from temps in the low teens. It never happens. Europe grows commercial citrus at 40N, something America can't even muster at 30N. We have the worst geography in the world.

I know people in central FL have had their citrus trees frozen solid and die within weeks. There is a reason we have no native broadleaf evergreens except for ugly live oaks, while China is native to citrus and camelias and tons of broadleaf evergreens. Scientists have studied this. The US Southeast is so wildly erratic temp wise that you can get weeks of 70F weather in the winter, followed by temps in the low teens. It kills everything. It is the worst subtropical climate in the world bar none. I wouldn't even classify it as subtropical. Houston is a warm continental climate but certainly not subtropical went you can hit 7F. China, Australia, Argentina, Europe, the Middle East, etc etc. can grow far more and at higher latitudes, and never have winter temps deviate by 40F like the SE US. They are lucky if their temps deviate in winter by 10F.

It is a horrible palm growing climate. that is why this cold hardy forum is full of Americans and basically no one else. . Every winter this cold palm forum is the domain of Americans dealing with these cold outbreaks, while people at 40N latitude in Europe are growing stuff no one can in Louisiana. WE have the worst palm growing climate for such low latitude locations.   6F at 30N no where else in the world ever.  In the 1980's Mobile Al went down to 7F and here we are and they went to 6F at 30N latitude at sea level. Not a single location on earth at that latitude has ever gotten that cold. Never. 

Rotten geography which Americans will never admit to.  I am much older than most on this forum. In the 1980's you couldn't grow a cidp to save your life in Houston. When you went to Houston in the late 80's you saw nothing but the most hardy of palms. Winter low mins in Houston 1982 12F, 1983 11F, 1989 the big winner at 7F. In 1983 Houston had three days in a row without going above freezing with an ultimate low of 11F. Not a single pinnate palm was left. Grow palms in Houston and the rest of the Southeast US at your own risk. Eventually all will die except sabals. When was the last time Nice France or Naples Italy hit 7F? 

My friend,  that's like a Napolion like statement that you gave from you lol like that Texas guy doesn't know made me really smile.  Did you ever go  to Florida, I mean Central FL and down to the Keys ? They can grow anything from Queens, Royals, Foxtails , Coconuts and all the other stuff you desire and yes they're absolutely bulletproof down there (Southeast) .  

You know once the Gulf stream slows down there isn’t anything subtropical you can grow in Europe one day. Hopefully that won't happen but here we go again "my continent is better than yours " . There are still many other palms besides Sabal that we can easily grow here in the South.  Relax my friend we should know better what we can succefully grow here. 

  • Like 3
Posted
8 minutes ago, Xenon said:

mini xmas lights insulated with mylar, fabric, and plastic. some water containers for good measure (the forecast was 12-15F...thankfully "only" 19F in the end)

I'm thinking about attempting to espalier a red jaboticaba low, so that I can grow it in ground with protection during the winter. Any thoughts? Any recommendation for tropical/subtropical fruits that can be container grown?

Posted
6 minutes ago, amh said:

I'm thinking about attempting to espalier a red jaboticaba low, so that I can grow it in ground with protection during the winter. Any thoughts? Any recommendation for tropical/subtropical fruits that can be container grown?

I don't have any recommendations, but I just thought about something that my uncle does up north.  My uncle grows fig trees in the Pittsburgh PA area.  Just before winter he will dig them up, lay them over, and bury them under dirt, etc. Them in spring, pulls them back up and stakes them. Keep in mind theses trees are 20 to 25 footers and he uses heavy equipment (he owns a construction company), and does snap the roots, etc. Gets fruit every year.

Makes me wonder if that trick could work on some tropicals ?

-Matt

  • Like 1
Posted
23 minutes ago, amh said:

I'm thinking about attempting to espalier a red jaboticaba low, so that I can grow it in ground with protection during the winter. Any thoughts? Any recommendation for tropical/subtropical fruits that can be container grown?

That sounds like a good idea. I once had three red hybrids in the ground and some other species from Argentina that all got some kind of disease at around the same time and died. The one I still have is Plinia phitrantha 'Branca Vinho Otto Andersen' and it's never skipped a beat (planted in 2021). 

I don't really do the container thing except for some atemoya and guava. Atemoya will definitely give you the biggest return on investment hands down, a single fruit at the Asian markets here runs $30-40. They are very popular with Houston area tropical container fruit growers. Tons of varieties. I'm growing out seedlings of PPC. They fruit fast from seed, only 3-4 years. Apparently easy to graft too. 

Guava also fruits 3-4 years from seed or you can get the newest named varieties that are crunchy and seedless like Taiwan, Red Taiwan, Ruby Thai, Crystal, Kilo, etc. 

Also uncovered my mango today

IMG_20250125_101402.thumb.jpg.c8b7e75a2b9f7c4713b7ef131f99eba7.jpg

Lychee too (there's a palm in the shot: Lanonia 😆)

IMG_20250125_173910.thumb.jpg.966c73d522ed08fdfe2c2a7d7875718d.jpg

  • Like 3

Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

Posted
10 minutes ago, JeskiM said:

I don't have any recommendations, but I just thought about something that my uncle does up north.  My uncle grows fig trees in the Pittsburgh PA area.  Just before winter he will dig them up, lay them over, and bury them under dirt, etc. Them in spring, pulls them back up and stakes them. Keep in mind theses trees are 20 to 25 footers and he uses heavy equipment (he owns a construction company), and does snap the roots, etc. Gets fruit every year.

Makes me wonder if that trick could work on some tropicals ?

-Matt

Cool idea but I think tropicals would just rot. They don't really go dormant. 

  • Like 1

Jonathan

Katy, TX (Zone 9a)

Posted
7 hours ago, Xenon said:

Give it a rest Tom, you only come out and talk when there's some cold outbreak in the southeast US so you can feed your fixation with "The southeastern US is a climate fail". You've been doing this for over 15 years in several online forums/communities. I used to go back and forth with you in 2010 so I know. You grasp on to every anecdote you hear to magnify your bias and start inflammatory 50 page threads. Please feel free to share your experience growing palm trees but I think it's telling when the majority of your posts are incendiary and derisive. You haven't received the response you wanted so this is like the nth time you've tried to derail this thread into an argument about China, New Zealand, wherever else in the world? Who are you preaching to? I don't see any poster in this thread celebrating how "the US south is a subtropical paradise" :blink2:

Also you know nothing about Houston, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for just being ignorant. If you lived here before 2010 +/- or just drove around you'd know there were plenty of pre-80s CIDP.  Some of them are still around. Most have died within the past 20 years from lethal bronzing disease. 

I'm gald you said this. I had a feeling this poster was not who she/he said they were.  There seems to be a great deal of anti-American sentiment/ jealously from certain posters.

Not only is much of what is said climatically greatly exaggerated (or incorrect) – but it’s ridiculous to characterize a climate by 72 hrs of weather – and ignore the other 362 days a year – lol. While there can be cold snaps on occasion in the southern USA, with so much heat, sunshine, and (in the subtropical areas) plentiful rainfall…palms and subtropical recover swiftly. That’s the reason that cities like Houston and New Orleans are such good climates for growing these plants.  

In terms of record lows, the southeast USA is not that much different from cities on the mainland of subtropical Aisa. Shanghai located at 31 north has a record low of 10 F…. not much different than Jacksonville, Fl (7 F) and Houston, TX (5 F) near the same latitude. On the other hand, due to the stronger Asian winter monsoon (seasonal reversal of winds) …most cities in the American subtropics are WARMER than their east Asian counterpart near the same latitude. Shanghai (31 north) has a mean January mean temp of 40 F….14 F lower than Jacksonville, FL (54 F) and 11 F lower than Mobile, AL (51 F). Different time periods point colder than normal weather above the tropics to a different area. 3 years ago it snowed on the French Riveria, subtropical India had snow a few years back. Only tropical areas (below 23 latitude) are frost/freeze free.

The comparison to temperate Europe is even more ridiculous. In the south we see temperatures in the 70’s at times in January and February…European cities like London don’t see their first 70 F Day on average until mid-June. Look at growing degree days (GDD) Houston averages 7000 annually – London 850. A palm in the subtropical southeast will grow 7 times faster than one in temperate Europe.  

I admit I got a little silly, when I saw the line about broadleaved evergreens, there are 30 to 40 native BLE in the south in certain areas (and 80 to 100 in parts of Florida). In the UK…there are 4 native BLE. 95% of the native vegetation in northwest Europe is hemi-boreal. It's so silly to compare the southern USA and temperate Europe.

 

supar1.jpg.f4b82c515483d9ab27d31d5c5df8bda9.jpg

 

  • Like 4
Posted

Can't complain.... 11.7F. Dry cold though. 

Bananas look like absolute garbage (big whoop- they recover ridiculously quickly). 

Did the heat cable in the crown thing with some frost cloth to keep the heat in. 

No where NEAR anything as substantial as December 22'

image.thumb.jpeg.acef9894b5cb133f2ebb3a4768fc60d1.jpegimage.thumb.jpeg.97900efa9f519034789a8e3a6445ec25.jpeg

  • Like 7
  • Upvote 1
Posted

Did some unpacking today. A few (perhaps) interesting observations already (16F low):

- Sabal domingensis (Small, first year in ground) - Heavy frond damage. Will likely completely defoliate. 
- L Nitida (Medium size) -  Heavy  frond damage. Will likely completely defoliate
- P Canariensis (young) - Not sure this will make it and really pissed about it. I placed it in a prominent spot in the yard. CIDPs are usually pretty good but they need a break to get somewhat established. I protected it with a large frost cloth, however, some water must have gotten inside. It was very damp and wet. Ugh...
- Butia x Lytocaryum Hoehnei - This one looked unscathed. Never seen that before as I recall it usually going crispy after a winter event. I only protected it with a light cloth (even lighter than frost cloth)
 

  • Like 3
Posted
10 hours ago, Robbertico18 said:

peroxide saved two of my palms after spear pulling last march

So just pour a bottle into the crown? There hasn’t been spear pull yet. I sprayed the spear with copper fungicide today

thanks

  • Like 2
Posted

Damage is starting to show. Arenga and b x pjc 

IMG_4997.jpeg

IMG_4998.jpeg

  • Like 3
Posted
1 hour ago, Swolte said:

Did some unpacking today. A few (perhaps) interesting observations already (16F low):

- Sabal domingensis (Small, first year in ground) - Heavy frond damage. Will likely completely defoliate. 
- L Nitida (Medium size) -  Heavy  frond damage. Will likely completely defoliate
- P Canariensis (young) - Not sure this will make it and really pissed about it. I placed it in a prominent spot in the yard. CIDPs are usually pretty good but they need a break to get somewhat established. I protected it with a large frost cloth, however, some water must have gotten inside. It was very damp and wet. Ugh...
- Butia x Lytocaryum Hoehnei - This one looked unscathed. Never seen that before as I recall it usually going crispy after a winter event. I only protected it with a light cloth (even lighter than frost cloth)
 

Interesting, I have some phoenix seedling volunteers (from the neighbors) in my yard. I think they are canary. Maybe they are dactylifera from the opposite neighbor. They look unharmed. From under a foot of snow! Maybe the snow insulated them ?

  • Like 3
Posted
54 minutes ago, Tropicdoc said:

So just pour a bottle into the crown? There hasn’t been spear pull yet. I sprayed the spear with copper fungicide today

thanks

Yeah I just give a little swig to em if they’ve spear pulled, into the center of the crown where the new spear would emerge 

  • Like 1
Posted
17 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

That's the Archontophoenix C.illawara. I think I didn't water it enough and it dried out the fronds last year rather than it being cold damage. Though it could be a bit of both as they are less hardy than regular banglows. The regular banglow didnt have this. 

I am sorry but if you don’t post any pictures of your plants your information on the performance of Illawara (as if someone in Europe is able to verify the true source of this variety sold as Illawara) vs regular bangalow in your London garden is really just words. Everybody posts pictures to show others how plants are coping with the cold. 

  • Like 2
Posted

Forgot to mention that I had enough of winter and declared it spring in my yard yesterday. Put 4 tiny precious sabals in the ground along with a small T Princeps! They can benefit from a week of perfect acclimatizing weather with heavy cloud cover, mild temperatures, and a ton of rain after having been in the garage!
:)
Other observations from unwrapping. I'll be careful here but I have noticed that the young Trachycarpus have done well. I am not sure I'll see much spearpull. Even a young 'Winsan' and 'Takil' (barely a few leaves) look better than they did after previous storms. 

My biggest relief, however, was a rare and only 6 inch tall Podocarpus Matudae cultivar that still looked pristine.

Thats probably it for the good news for today! 
:p

TPrinceps.jpg

  • Like 7
Posted

Here is how all of my plants look after the -15 cold blast, All of my plants were protected, As you can see the first Sago Palm has no damage But the second one is probably 90% brown, My lemon tree grown from a seed Also has no damage But there could be some damage showing up in a few days, Needle palm looks 100% fine As I expected but there could be some damage showing up in a few weeks, And I also decided to bring my 2 sabal minors from @teddytn Outside to enjoy some of the warmer weather, my big sabal minor Looks good Just some Browning on the leaves and stems but it will be fine, And my smaller North Carolina sabal minor  Looks really good Just some Browning on the tips. 

1000003829.jpg

1000003832.jpg

1000003830.jpg

1000003828.jpg

1000003831.jpg

1000003821.jpg

1000003823.jpg

1000003825.jpg

1000003819.jpg

  • Like 6

Lows in the past couple years.2025 -15℉, 2024 1℉, 2023 1℉, 2022 -4℉, 2021 7℉, 2020 10℉, 2019 -5℉, 2018 0℉, 2017 4℉, 2016 8℉, 2015 -1℉, 2014 -4℉, 2013 8℉, 2012 10℉, 2011 3℉ 2010 6℉, 2009 -5℉, 2008 5℉, 2007 1℉, 2006 8℉, 2005 3℉, 2004 0℉ 2003 5℉, 2002 3℉, 2001 6℉, 2000 0℉,

Posted
On 1/25/2025 at 1:35 AM, mthteh1916 said:

 It never happens. Europe grows commercial citrus at 40N, something America can't even muster at 30N. We have the worst geography in the world.

Couple things. Southern magnolias are native and they are planted around the world....Commercial citrus in Plaquemines Parish Louisiana.  Commercial sugar cane all over south Louisiana. That's something that can only grow commercially in subtropical climates at the least. And fact you called live oaks ugly just destroyed your credibility 🤣

  • Like 6
Posted
1 hour ago, KsLouisiana said:

Couple things. Southern magnolias are native and they are planted around the world....Commercial citrus in Plaquemines Parish Louisiana.  Commercial sugar cane all over south Louisiana. That's something that can only grow commercially in subtropical climates at the least. And fact you called live oaks ugly just destroyed your credibility 🤣

Adding to the destroyed credibility,  He forgot that Citrus was ..and still is... grown commercially <  Gasp! > in ..California, above  30N < double Gasp! >

Oh yeah, Mangoes too.. < Heart attack level Gasp >:mrlooney:

  • Like 3
Posted
7 minutes ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Adding to the destroyed credibility,  He forgot that Citrus was ..and still is... grown commercially <  Gasp! > in ..California, above  30N < double Gasp! >

Oh yeah, Mangoes too.. < Heart attack level Gasp >:mrlooney:

😂 No doubt. California is just as impressive as any Mediterranean environment.  It's all just so silly. It's fun to have a troll once in a while I guess.

  • Like 2
Posted
13 minutes ago, KsLouisiana said:

😂 No doubt. California is just as impressive as any Mediterranean environment.  It's all just so silly. It's fun to have a troll once in a while I guess.

Sometimes...

Screenshot2025-01-26at20-14-20176b25fc2125344f660d19fa220d0209.jpg(JPEGImage610610pixels).png.4ea68c05cc61205037918c96ade236ec.png

:floor2: :greenthumb:


 

  • Like 5
Posted

If I may add something to the perhaps indelicately couched comparison of Europe and the Gulf South of North America: Every climate has its positives and negatives...I learned a couple of decades ago as a lifelong native Southern Californian moving to Natchez, Mississippi...that you gain things and lose things, and have to accept and learn to love the "pluses" of every spot in which you land. Yes, during those very interesting years of living there I had to give up on most of the frost-sensitive palms I grew in L.A., but with a few years of "training" I learned to revel in the awesome and unparalleled beauty of Southern Live Oaks draped with Spanish Moss, to love the many species of Sabal in variety, I saw that Needle Palms when planted en masse under the dappled shade of Laurel Cherries (Cherry Laurels, if you prefer) that if left to their devices they created a bulletproof display as lovely as a row of Rhapis or Licuala in Miami. Chamaedorea microspadix and C. radicalis, and several others were up to the task of dealing with the occasional Arctic incursions. Plenty of cycads were brave enough to deal with it as well. Many evergreen shrubs and trees from southern China and southeast Asia, especially things like Michelia and many hybrids like 'Jack Fogg,' the Viburnum 'Awabuki' or 'Chindo' and trees from South China and Vietnam like the beautiful Firmiana simplex or Aleurites fordii. But the performance of tropical herbaceous perennials like the many fruiting or ornamental bananas, gingers (whether Alpinia, Hedychium, Costus, Zingiber) was astounding, far more beautiful than anything I had ever experienced in California. The long, warm, humid growing season and rich soils of the region provide something that really suited these tropicals, all of which were strong enough to survive the rigors of the occasional 2010-style winter (three days below freezing) and come back. The delicious satsumas, the 'Meiwa' kumquats that graced our front entry and provided wonderful citrus every holiday season; I had Heliconia blooming every year and providing beautiful cut flowers for the house, and so many other wonderful things to enjoy. Sadly, many of these joys are unavailable in the perpetually cool climate of the UK and northern Europe. The smashing thunder-and-lightning storms of the humid southern summers are an awesome thing that Europeans (or Californians for that matter) can only dream of. But even that northern continent has its own splendid plants that love it despite its deficiencies of temperature: Paris is a spectacle every May Day with the avenues of Aesculus hippocastanum that line the streets; awesome and seemingly endless beds of tulips; intimate courtyards filled with Trachycarpus and Choisya ternata, delighting the eye even in the often gloomy, chilly weather there...but most of these unavailable to those in the Deep South of the USA. So before dismissing it for the occasional arctic insult, as painful as it may be, please just remember...it is, as they say, "what makes the world go 'round." And thank goodness for that.

  • Like 8

Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

Posted
19 hours ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

I am sorry but if you don’t post any pictures of your plants your information on the performance of Illawara (as if someone in Europe is able to verify the true source of this variety sold as Illawara) vs regular bangalow in your London garden is really just words. Everybody posts pictures to show others how plants are coping with the cold. 

I do but haven't recently posted pictures. Last one I uploaded was in November. You seem to cherry pick times when I haven't uploaded in a while when I talk about my palms hardiness for some odd reason. It's quite odd. I have posted photos in the past of it with new bronze colored fronds which as far as I'm aware of the regular banglows don't have.  

  • Like 1
Posted
On 1/26/2025 at 2:39 AM, Dartolution said:

Can't complain.... 11.7F. Dry cold though. 

Bananas look like absolute garbage (big whoop- they recover ridiculously quickly). 

Did the heat cable in the crown thing with some frost cloth to keep the heat in. 

No where NEAR anything as substantial as December 22'

image.thumb.jpeg.acef9894b5cb133f2ebb3a4768fc60d1.jpegimage.thumb.jpeg.97900efa9f519034789a8e3a6445ec25.jpeg

the bananas always look terrible here too ...

  • Like 1
Posted
9 minutes ago, Mazat said:

the bananas always look terrible here too ...

saturday max. 60.8 °F / 15.8 °C, yesterday 54.14 °F and today it will be over 53.6 °F / 12.0 °C  again in community garden.

and yesterday two boys were swimming in the bodensee at 42.8 °F water temperatur. They maybe thougt it`s summer 😁

  • Like 1
Posted
On 1/25/2025 at 6:57 PM, Xenon said:

Uncovered the Cyphophoenix, Euterpe, and Archontophoenix today. We got live ones 😄 

IMG_20250125_101442.thumb.jpg.c99d5f94f991a41eea9673e39773ea8e.jpg

IMG_20250125_101430.thumb.jpg.db1b16788bc3f6decc9b8c77b441608e.jpg

they all are looking good🤗

  • Like 2

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Recently Browsing

    • Robert Cade Ross
    • _nevi
×
×
  • Create New...