In defence of some seeds that germinated

[happypalms]

As testimony to imported seeds germinating here’s a few that have been imported into Australia. There are eleven different varieties of seedlings there all of the palm seedlings are batches of 100 seeds except the joeys there from a batch of 2000. So I would say bye the looks of importing seeds  does work. And yes when I look at the batches of seed# that didn’t germinate the odds are leaning towards a 70/30  hit and miss ratio with 30% being the miss ratio. It’s just my view on the subject of importing seeds. It is worth it in the end with consistency in orders made. Iam no rocket scientist just an observation but the mathematics add up pretty good if I where an accountant. 

[Nico971]

I am no where near your quantities, but almost all my palm come from imported seeds, since not much available here. Definitely worth it, and good success too. The only genus with which I’ve had many faillures was Copernicia. They germinate and then rot. 
Here is my shade house

Now the question is, where am I going to plant 3 corypha utan 😅

 

[happypalms]

2 hours ago, Nico971 said:

I am no where near your quantities, but almost all my palm come from imported seeds, since not much available here. Definitely worth it, and good success too. The only genus with which I’ve had many faillures was Copernicia. They germinate and then rot. 
Here is my shade house

Now the question is, where am I going to plant 3 corypha utan 😅

 

Nice one Nico. It’s not about the setup or about how it looks but success of germination is what counts. Like my mum said if you find something that you’re good at in life stick with it. What works for many may not necessarily work for someone else, each propagation technique and environment is different in producing many variables in results, sometimes the growers themselves is at fault for nothing germinating. Yet they will put the blame on  someone  else for there mistakes putting pride before honesty. Now the question remains where do you put 3 great big corypha palms in an area with lots of room that’s for sure 

[Jonathan]

Good results there Richard. I haven't imported any seeds for a few years now but generally found that with RPS and in the olden days, (lol), Ortanique, that if you buy from the "New" categories then you get good results, whereas if you search  a species you're interested in but isn't fresh, you'll likely be disappointed.

It's not rocket science really, but I do think that it's cheeky for them to market old stock at full price. If they had a couple of sales every year with marked down prices on older seeds they would a) increase their total sales volume, b) need less storage facilities, and c) have more satisfied customers. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to take a gamble on a bargain. Maybe they already do this and I've just not noticed?

It still blows my mind that there is no domestic supply within Australia or the US, given the number of species now fruiting in cultivation in places like Queensland and Hawaii...if there's some kid out there with the drive to network with a bunch of growers, I reckon there's a nice little business to be made.

[Harry’s Palms]

In 1990 , when I was new at collecting , I knew a few folks that were dedicated to sharing various types of palms. They would germinate seeds and then , within a couple of years , offer them up for sale through a mutual friend . A lot of my palms that I now own came from these dedicated individuals. Thank you , all you dedicated palms seed germinating folks that help spread varieties we would not normally have access to. Harry

[happypalms]

5 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Good results there Richard. I haven't imported any seeds for a few years now but generally found that with RPS and in the olden days, (lol), Ortanique, that if you buy from the "New" categories then you get good results, whereas if you search  a species you're interested in but isn't fresh, you'll likely be disappointed.

It's not rocket science really, but I do think that it's cheeky for them to market old stock at full price. If they had a couple of sales every year with marked down prices on older seeds they would a) increase their total sales volume, b) need less storage facilities, and c) have more satisfied customers. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to take a gamble on a bargain. Maybe they already do this and I've just not noticed?

It still blows my mind that there is no domestic supply within Australia or the US, given the number of species now fruiting in cultivation in places like Queensland and Hawaii...if there's some kid out there with the drive to network with a bunch of growers, I reckon there's a nice little business to be made.

Yes well written words. The demand is there for seeds in Australia for common and exotic varieties. Iam working on seeds the best I can to supply some growers with what I have in my garden and locally sourced. If I have seeds I would like to know I would be supplying fresh seeds that would germinate well therefore creating a better business name. So for me it’s from my garden or locally sourced fresh seeds for now imported seeds are hit  and miss but the odds lean towards more hits then misses from my experience in repetition of orders so safety in numbers I guess. Imagine if you order seeds for the first time and none germinated from imported seeds or the second order you only get two out of four varieties dissatisfying all round and you kinda want to give up say it’s not worth the money or time. 
But then your next order you get great success in germination rates of all your varieties or you order big on one varietie that’s a holy grail palm and have great success in germinating around 70%. You can see how the odds stack up for more hits then misses gives you more confidence in importing seeds so you make more orders like myself and then the odds have become in favour of the importer. You soon learn not worry about the missed varieties you realise it’s just the way seeds germinate be it palm seeds or corn seeds or whatever seeds you have. We have all had seeds given to us from some relative or friends, with the knowing it was viable seeds and none germinated that’s farming as we say.🌱

[KrisKupsch]

7 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Good results there Richard. I haven't imported any seeds for a few years now but generally found that with RPS and in the olden days, (lol), Ortanique, that if you buy from the "New" categories then you get good results, whereas if you search  a species you're interested in but isn't fresh, you'll likely be disappointed.

It's not rocket science really, but I do think that it's cheeky for them to market old stock at full price. If they had a couple of sales every year with marked down prices on older seeds they would a) increase their total sales volume, b) need less storage facilities, and c) have more satisfied customers. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to take a gamble on a bargain. Maybe they already do this and I've just not noticed?

It still blows my mind that there is no domestic supply within Australia or the US, given the number of species now fruiting in cultivation in places like Queensland and Hawaii...if there's some kid out there with the drive to network with a bunch of growers, I reckon there's a nice little business to be made.

There is lots of domestic supply. The network is like the secret mafia though ! 

[happypalms]

42 minutes ago, KrisKupsch said:

There is lots of domestic supply. The network is like the secret mafia though ! 

Yep and once you’re in you cannot leave. I wonder if there is a secret handshake like the stonemasons have?

[happypalms]

7 hours ago, Harry’s Palms said:

In 1990 , when I was new at collecting , I knew a few folks that were dedicated to sharing various types of palms. They would germinate seeds and then , within a couple of years , offer them up for sale through a mutual friend . A lot of my palms that I now own came from these dedicated individuals. Thank you , all you dedicated palms seed germinating folks that help spread varieties we would not normally have access to. Harry

That’s the ideal of what the old hippie commune was about, pooling the knowledge and sharing in the same idealistic views in life all the better for the planet in the long run. Iam glad my property is in such a community living in harmony with others that share that same ideal of peace and happiness as a community of like mined people for the planet.

Richard 

[Jonathan]

1 hour ago, KrisKupsch said:

There is lots of domestic supply. The network is like the secret mafia though ! 

I'm sure that's true, and I'm in with Colin, Boss of the Sydney Mob, Happy Fingers Richard and Tim 'Bugsy' Brissy, however I suspect I'm circling the outer solar system. Not that I'm fretting too much, I've been very lucky with the generosity of fellow palmites...

However, if you know of any Oraniopsis or A purpurea seeds, I'll accept your protection! 

[happypalms]

33 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

I'm sure that's true, and I'm in with Colin, Boss of the Sydney Mob, Happy Fingers Richard and Tim 'Bugsy' Brissy, however I suspect I'm circling the outer solar system. Not that I'm fretting too much, I've been very lucky with the generosity of fellow palmites...

However, if you know of any Oraniopsis or A purpurea seeds, I'll accept your protection! 

And don’t forget about there contacts as well. I got some archontophoenix maxima seeds ripening?

[meridannight]

9 hours ago, Jonathan said:

Good results there Richard. I haven't imported any seeds for a few years now but generally found that with RPS and in the olden days, (lol), Ortanique, that if you buy from the "New" categories then you get good results, whereas if you search  a species you're interested in but isn't fresh, you'll likely be disappointed.

It's not rocket science really, but I do think that it's cheeky for them to market old stock at full price. If they had a couple of sales every year with marked down prices on older seeds they would a) increase their total sales volume, b) need less storage facilities, and c) have more satisfied customers. I'm sure a lot of people would be willing to take a gamble on a bargain. Maybe they already do this and I've just not noticed?

I tend to agree mostly. I usually don't have problems germinating most species that have freshly arrived to RPS, but once they're no longer 'new', it becomes trickier. I remember back when I started ordering from RPS in 2020/1 I first ordered just based on species I wanted and none of those first seeds I bought were 'new' and I got 0% germination. Then I went to 'new' seeds only and had dramatically better results. 

However, the past year I have started experimenting with their non-new seeds again, and I have had some good results. Bentinckia condapanna non-new seeds germinated at an 80% rate from them. Licuala kunstleri came up at 60% or so. Just a couple of successes so far. Then, some of their 'new' seeds don't come up either. You never know just how long they took in transit to RPS so it's all a bit of a gamble. I've tried their 'new' Cyrtostachys renda on 4 occasions and only got them to germinate once (4th time's the charm). This last one is maybe not the best example to quote in this context because they're known to be tricky even directly off the tree.

I agree that offering a bargain on older seeds would be a very positive development. But I appreciate they keep honest about which seeds are 'new' and which are not. A lot of businesses have lost their integrity in this day and age, and just apply the label 'new' indiscriminately or plain randomly to their stock.

 

[meridannight]

21 hours ago, happypalms said:

As testimony to imported seeds germinating here’s a few that have been imported into Australia. There are eleven different varieties of seedlings there all of the palm seedlings are batches of 100 seeds except the joeys there from a batch of 2000. So I would say bye the looks of importing seeds  does work. And yes when I look at the batches of seed# that didn’t germinate the odds are leaning towards a 70/30  hit and miss ratio with 30% being the miss ratio. It’s just my view on the subject of importing seeds. It is worth it in the end with consistency in orders made. Iam no rocket scientist just an observation but the mathematics add up pretty good if I where an accountant. 

 

What Caryotas are those on the images? They look pretty.

[happypalms]

32 minutes ago, meridannight said:

 

What Caryotas are those on the images? They look pretty.

Yes they are Caryota mitis  variegated var just starting to show there variegation in a few seedlings. From RPS in Germany.

[happypalms]

3 hours ago, happypalms said:

And don’t forget about there contacts as well. I got some archontophoenix maxima seeds ripening?

So your name would be iceberg Jono aka put ‘em in the freezer Jono 🤣🥶

[Jonathan]

32 minutes ago, happypalms said:

So your name would be iceberg Jono aka put ‘em in the freezer Jono 🤣🥶

Harsh. But reasonable! 

[happypalms]

2 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

Harsh. But reasonable! 

In reference to the refrigerator that you garden in. 

[Jonathan]

Just now, happypalms said:

In reference to the refrigerator that you garden in. 

Yes. It's a  horrible place. 🤣

[happypalms]

4 minutes ago, Jonathan said:

Yes. It's a  horrible place. 🤣

What the freezer or Tasmania 🤣

[KrisKupsch]

On 11/30/2024 at 5:18 PM, Jonathan said:

I'm sure that's true, and I'm in with Colin, Boss of the Sydney Mob, Happy Fingers Richard and Tim 'Bugsy' Brissy, however I suspect I'm circling the outer solar system. Not that I'm fretting too much, I've been very lucky with the generosity of fellow palmites...

However, if you know of any Oraniopsis or A purpurea seeds, I'll accept your protection! 

Hilarious lol

[tim_brissy_13]

On 11/30/2024 at 5:18 PM, Jonathan said:

I'm sure that's true, and I'm in with Colin, Boss of the Sydney Mob, Happy Fingers Richard and Tim 'Bugsy' Brissy, however I suspect I'm circling the outer solar system. Not that I'm fretting too much, I've been very lucky with the generosity of fellow palmites...

However, if you know of any Oraniopsis or A purpurea seeds, I'll accept your protection! 

🤣 

[tim_brissy_13]

Some recent germination successes potted up all thanks to RPS. I doubt many of these species would not be setting seed in Australia so there’s not really any great alternative for me. I have a passion for getting new and unusual species growing in Australia, especially cool tolerant palms in the temperate regions. RPS fill a pretty good need for me and it’s been nice to start creating a little network with some other growers in the southern states outside of the Aussie palm mafia 😆

Basselinia pendulina

Geonoma undata subsp. undata

Ceroxylon quindiuense

Caroyta kiriwongensis

Trachycarpus ukhrulensis

[happypalms]

7 hours ago, tim_brissy_13 said:

Some recent germination successes potted up all thanks to RPS. I doubt many of these species would not be setting seed in Australia so there’s not really any great alternative for me. I have a passion for getting new and unusual species growing in Australia, especially cool tolerant palms in the temperate regions. RPS fill a pretty good need for me and it’s been nice to start creating a little network with some other growers in the southern states outside of the Aussie palm mafia 😆

Basselinia pendulina

Geonoma undata subsp. undata

Ceroxylon quindiuense

Caroyta kiriwongensis

Trachycarpus ukhrulensis

Only one thing wrong I can see there and that is not by the hundreds. But otherwise perfectly grown and germinated in the hands of an expert. 

[CascadiaPalms]

Wow, cool! 👏

[happypalms]

6 hours ago, CascadiaPalms said:

Wow, cool! 👏

Imported seeds do work if your willing to take a lose and gamble it does pay off. Here’s a picture of another successful batch of imported seeds growing into nice little chamaedorea palms.

[CascadiaPalms]

5 hours ago, happypalms said:

Imported seeds do work if your willing to take a lose and gamble it does pay off. Here’s a picture of another successful batch of imported seeds growing into nice little chamaedorea palms.

wow! quite the operation!

[happypalms]

1 hour ago, CascadiaPalms said:

wow! quite the operation!

That’s just the tip of the iceberg you see there. All these seedlings are from rps in Germany 700 kerriodoxa and 2000 Joey palms. Through consistency it pays off. 

[Nico971]

Last germination and putting in box some species for 2025

Areca tunku and vonitra perrieri 

linospadix monostachys, clinostigma samoens, dypsis mananjariensis, kentiopsis magnifica

and happypalm favorites, Joey altifrons

geonoma mooreana

cheers ! 

[happypalms]

1 hour ago, Nico971 said:

Last germination and putting in box some species for 2025

Areca tunku and vonitra perrieri 

linospadix monostachys, clinostigma samoens, dypsis mananjariensis, kentiopsis magnifica

and happypalm favorites, Joey altifrons

geonoma mooreana

cheers ! 

Nice germination technique and a few good varieties of palms there. How do your joeys go after transplanting them do you do it at that stage in your photos or let the first spike appear then transplant. Yes joeys are my favourite palm but if I could get hold of 2000 sabinara magnifica iam pretty sure they would be my favourite for a long time. 

[Nico971]

I prefer the lunchbox with peat. I soak the peat in water and squeeze it until no more water drops. The baggy method got me many rotten seeds, the box act like a small greenhouse… I guess.

i wait for the first spike before transplanting the joey. And then they go to tall pot. 

[happypalms]

8 minutes ago, Nico971 said:

I prefer the lunchbox with peat. I soak the peat in water and squeeze it until no more water drops. The baggy method got me many rotten seeds, the box act like a small greenhouse… I guess.

i wait for the first spike before transplanting the joey. And then they go to tall pot. 

sounds like a good plan to me and it’s working for stick with it. Try covering your germination box’s with a towel or something that will create darkness, etoliation process. Did you use bottom heating? 

2 hours ago, Nico971 said:

Last germination and putting in box some species for 2025

Areca tunku and vonitra perrieri 

linospadix monostachys, clinostigma samoens, dypsis mananjariensis, kentiopsis magnifica

and happypalm favorites, Joey altifrons

geonoma mooreana

cheers ! 

Nice germination technique and a few good varieties of palms there. How do your joeys go after transplanting them do you do it at that stage in your photos or let the first spike appear then transplant. Yes joeys are my favourite palm but if I could get hold of 2000 sabinara magnifica iam pretty sure they would be my favourite for a long time. 

[Nico971]

4 minutes ago, happypalms said:

sounds like a good plan to me and it’s working for stick with it. Try covering your germination box’s with a towel or something that will create darkness, etoliation process. Did you use bottom heating? 

Nice germination technique and a few good varieties of palms there. How do your joeys go after transplanting them do you do it at that stage in your photos or let the first spike appear then transplant. Yes joeys are my favourite palm but if I could get hold of 2000 sabinara magnifica iam pretty sure they would be my favourite for a long time. 

Never used bottom heat. Temperature here varies from 25 C lowest to 32 C max, so I guess maybe I don’t need it ? Or would constant 30 or more be more efficient ?. I will try covering them to.
They just sit outdoor on a shelf, and I come every morning to say hi to them 😆 then go to the seedlings in the shade house. 

[happypalms]

47 minutes ago, Nico971 said:

Never used bottom heat. Temperature here varies from 25 C lowest to 32 C max, so I guess maybe I don’t need it ? Or would constant 30 or more be more efficient ?. I will try covering them to.
They just sit outdoor on a shelf, and I come every morning to say hi to them 😆 then go to the seedlings in the shade house. 

It may make a difference bottom heating but sometimes temperature fluctuations are good for some varieties so each to there own. Your temperatures sound pretty good for germination without bottom heating I find I definitely need it in winter more than summer. 

[CascadiaPalms]

It is seriously SO INTERESTING to me the different ways people germinate.

Here is my version, an entertaining techno video.

 

[happypalms]

8 hours ago, CascadiaPalms said:

It is seriously SO INTERESTING to me the different ways people germinate.

Here is my version, an entertaining techno video.

 

Yes it’s like they say there’s more than one way to catch a fish. Everyone has his or her own technique what works for some may not necessarily work for someone else.