Albuquerque Palm Pics!!

[jwitt]

Corrales on the right, rr2 on the left.

 Corrales was for a time on the escarpment about a mile south of rr2(right near Intel).

There are some other sites, if you want to search.  Use this site and click view map, then find, show more stations. https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=abq

 

Showing other sights

 

[jwitt]

@ABQPalmsI think you may have a bit of fun with that site. There is a petroglyph national monument site with very interesting data from 2011.  El Paso type cold in 2011!

 

[ABQPalms]

10 hours ago, jwitt said:

Corrales on the right, rr2 on the left.

 Corrales was for a time on the escarpment about a mile south of rr2(right near Intel).

There are some other sites, if you want to search.  Use this site and click view map, then find, show more stations. https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=abq

 

Showing other sights

 

Thanks. I never explored weather.gov more then just whatever is listed (never clicked show more stations. Very helpful!

[NMPalmjunky]

Hi everyone. Here are a few palms from my neighborhood behind Intel just south of Corrales Heights

[SailorBold]

Nice!! Welcome to the forum..

[jwitt]

@NMPalmjunky

Welcome to palmtalk neighbor!

Nice palms! 

What are the palms against the back wall?

 

[ABQPalms]

3 hours ago, NMPalmjunky said:

Hi everyone. Here are a few palms from my neighborhood behind Intel just south of Corrales Heights

Welcome! Thank you for sharing! Nice pics of these specimens! 

Nice Washingtonia in the back yard!

[ABQPalms]

3 hours ago, NMPalmjunky said:

 

7 minutes ago, jwitt said:

@NMPalmjunky

Welcome to palmtalk neighbor!

Nice palms! 

What are the palms against the back wall?

 

To me that looks like a Chamaerops Humilis, Butia Capitata and a Washingtonia Filifera.

[ABQPalms]

Pics I took today. SW

[NMPalmjunky]

Here are a couple more west of the Rio Grande. 

[ABQPalms]

8 minutes ago, NMPalmjunky said:

Here are a couple more west of the Rio Grande. 

I took pictures of this neighborhood the other day but only one picture came out right. The others, I had the flash on and didn't come out right. 

Here is the one that came out. 

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, ABQPalms said:

I took pictures of this neighborhood the other day but only one picture came out right. The others, I had the flash on and didn't come out right. 

Here is the one that came out. 

Skirts!

Pure palm porn!!!!!

[NMPalmjunky]

The windmills at the Flying Star on Paseo and Wyoming are looking good.

[ABQPalms]

27 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Skirts!

Pure palm porn!!!!!

Haha. Yeah!

[ABQPalms]

9 minutes ago, NMPalmjunky said:

The windmills at the Flying Star on Paseo and Wyoming are looking good.

Nice! Well protected from the elements. 

[NMPalmjunky]

…and some exposed windmills

[ABQPalms]

The Dactyliferas (Date Palms) wrapped up for the Holidays here. 

[SailorBold]

Interesting.. thanks for sharing. Didn't know they wrapped those up..

We are now in our coldest time of the year..  2 months to go...and should be in the clear from super hard freezes..

[jwitt]

On 12/15/2024 at 8:54 AM, ABQPalms said:

The Dactyliferas (Date Palms) wrapped up for the Holidays here. 

Do they know something we don't?

[Las Palmas Norte]

3 hours ago, jwitt said:

Do they know something we don't?

Ya, just how to wrap those!

[ABQPalms]

9 hours ago, SailorBold said:

Interesting.. thanks for sharing. Didn't know they wrapped those up..

We are now in our coldest time of the year..  2 months to go...and should be in the clear from super hard freezes..

I had no idea either. I actually went down there to see how they were doing so far, then saw that they had them wrapped up.

Yeah, it seems like February is the month to watch out for here. It always seems like there's light at the end of the tunnel, then a cold front or two comes down and threatens a palm killing event. February is probably my least favorite month cause of it, yet it's the shortest month go figure and March couldn't come fast enough.

[ABQPalms]

4 hours ago, jwitt said:

Do they know something we don't?

I'm guessing they were planning ahead from last week's forecast of 18F. The Sunport hit 18F While Rio Rancho #2 got down to 21F. I also see that the Rio Grande Nature Center got down to 15F that morning, so that might be closer to what they got. 

[ABQPalms]

1 hour ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Ya, just how to wrap those!

Or how to pay someone to wrap them. Lol. They sure got the money!

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, ABQPalms said:

I'm guessing they were planning ahead from last week's forecast of 18F. The Sunport hit 18F While Rio Rancho #2 got down to 21F. I also see that the Rio Grande Nature Center got down to 15F that morning, so that might be closer to what they got. 

Wonder if it will work? 

Must have been an operation, those things are not small. 

[ChrisA]

At least the current forecast for Albuquerque is helping the cause! Not to jinx, but this might be the nicest forecast I've seen for a stretch of time during the Christmas week.  Enjoy!

[jwitt]

@ChrisAWelcome to the 1980's!

[NMPalmjunky]

11 hours ago, jwitt said:

@ChrisAWelcome to the 1980's!

@jwittThis does look like a bit of dejavu with regards to high temps, but the lows looks much milder this year in comparison. The ABQ metro has doubled in population since 1980 (the amount of pavement, asphalt, and structures has probably tripled). Even the airport infrastructure has grown considerably since that time. Do you know if there is a long-term weather station on Kirtland Air Force Base? I suspect that it would also be much warmer than the airport. SE Rio Rancho is at about the same elevation,  has similar urban heat island characteristics, and cold air drainage to the valley, but it does not have the awful canyon winds. 

[jwitt]

4 hours ago, NMPalmjunky said:

@jwittThis does look like a bit of dejavu with regards to high temps, but the lows looks much milder this year in comparison. The ABQ metro has doubled in population since 1980 (the amount of pavement, asphalt, and structures has probably tripled). Even the airport infrastructure has grown considerably since that time. Do you know if there is a long-term weather station on Kirtland Air Force Base? I suspect that it would also be much warmer than the airport. SE Rio Rancho is at about the same elevation,  has similar urban heat island characteristics, and cold air drainage to the valley, but it does not have the awful canyon winds. 

Abq has doubled since 1980, with vast majority of it's growth since on the westside. 

The metro has exploded. Consider Rio Rancho had 5000 in 1980,  110,000+ today

I do not know of publicly accessible weather records for the base.

That 1980/1981 winter continued with incredible warmth from Christmas thru March!  

[ChrisA]

I suppose the winter of 80/81 was some sort of grace to make up for the winters of the late 60’s and early 70’s!

[jwitt]

11 hours ago, ChrisA said:

I suppose the winter of 80/81 was some sort of grace to make up for the winters of the late 60’s and early 70’s!

Or what was forthcoming,  80's/90's

[ABQPalms]

15 hours ago, ChrisA said:

I suppose the winter of 80/81 was some sort of grace to make up for the winters of the late 60’s and early 70’s!

 

4 hours ago, jwitt said:

Or what was forthcoming,  80's/90's

It's like someone flicked a switch in 1980 and that we've been in a 40+ year warming trend since. In 1961-1970, our average lowest low was 3°F, 1971-1980 is 1°F, then 1981-1990 it bumps up to 6°F.

1990 would've been the decade for mass planting of palms. If only there were the means to get the word out better back then (ie: access to internet, social media, YouTube, forums like PalmTalk, ect).

Since 1981 we've had three -0°F years out of 40+ years (we can even go back to 1978 for that). In the 20 year stretch from 1961 to 1970, there were seven. There is still that deep freeze that we have to endure once every 20 years or so. But as long as we have good, established specimens (like we did in 2011) then chances are greater for survival. All the growth that we've had since 1980, especially on the Westside has certainly helped out quite a bit. Rio Rancho was founded in 1961, and established in 1981 so all growth on the Westside is relatively new.

[SeanK]

On 12/18/2024 at 2:07 AM, jwitt said:

Abq has doubled since 1980, with vast majority of it's growth since on the westside. 

The metro has exploded. Consider Rio Rancho had 5000 in 1980,  110,000+ today

I do not know of publicly accessible weather records for the base.

That 1980/1981 winter continued with incredible warmth from Christmas thru March!  

Where do folks get drinking water from?

[ABQPalms]

9 minutes ago, SeanK said:

Where do folks get drinking water from?

From the Grocery Store. Or when we were kids, straight from the hose.

All joking aside, we have an underground aquifer. We get surface water from the Colorado River via the San Juan-Chama River Project as well as native water from streams and rivers. A lot of diversions and dams play a roll here. A good snow pack up in the mountain really help out.

[ChrisA]

Yes the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s were certainly consistently colder, those tables you attached showed that warming trend very well! I wonder if the ABQ UTI helped in 2011 and if without that we would have been comparable to 1971? Not sure how a UTI affects an advective arctic blast though. There was no good microclimate in my yard when it was -6 with 30 mph winds and higher gusts!!!.

That Northern area of Rio Rancho is really interesting! I’m curious to see how their lows shake out compared to areas closer to the valley or Albuquerque? Seems that perhaps they escape the cold that flows off higher terrain and into the valleys. I have friends who live in Taylor Ranch and it always upset me on winter nights when I’d drive home and as soon as I got into my neighborhood the temp was a good 5 degrees colder.  I lived near the Ladera Golf course and the arroyo that skirts the southern edge brings in some awfully chilly air that pours off the mesa from the notoriously cold Double Eagle airport area. 

[jwitt]

2 hours ago, SeanK said:

Where do folks get drinking water from?

[NMPalmjunky]

Here is a good read on our local water supply. In all reality, we have a much greater water supply, for the population, than most cities in the Southwest. 

https://mainstreamnm.org/waters-route-66-and-an-aquifer-the-size-of-lake-superior/

Today, more than half of Albuquerque’s drinking water comes from the San Juan-Chama Project, and the rest comes from underground. But that wasn’t always the case. Until 2008, the Duke City relied entirely on its storied aquifer.

Albuquerque’s aquifer is the stuff of legend. In the mid-20th Century, geologists and city planners thought it held as much water as Lake Superior. And so, perhaps understandably, burqueños consumed it as such, flushing high-flow toilets with abandon and watering enough lawns to transform Albuquerque into a veritable high-desert oasis.

[SeanK]

15 hours ago, jwitt said:

So they all carry a bucket, then.

[NMPalmjunky]

37 minutes ago, SeanK said:

So they all carry a bucket, then.

@SeanK I wouldn’t be so cocky about water supply. https://www.drought.gov/states/georgia

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, SeanK said:

So they all carry a bucket, then.

More water flowing below ground than top.  Supports the world largest cottonwood forest for about 150 miles.  That's the forest(bosque ), running thru Albuquerque.  But we also grab some lake Mead before it gets there for flavoring.

[Desert DAC]

On 11/15/2024 at 10:26 AM, jwitt said:

Corrales on the right, rr2 on the left.

 Corrales was for a time on the escarpment about a mile south of rr2(right near Intel).

There are some other sites, if you want to search.  Use this site and click view map, then find, show more stations. https://www.weather.gov/wrh/Climate?wfo=abq

 

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Thanks for the link and method to pull up more stations and the map. Though I was unable to get far - the Go button is grayed out, no matter which item I select. I'll need to figure out any tricks another time.
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Here's some other info I hope helps others as it has me. The main climatology sources I use are:
https://wrcc.dri.edu/summary/Climsmnm.html
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/us-climate-normals/ (for the NOAA updated 1991-2020 normals, so no extreme temps data)

Some stations for the ABQ area, plus the Santa Fe to Socorro area, that I look at. Much to look at:
Petroglyph Nm
Albuquerque Valley
Albuquerque Wsfo Airpor
Albuquerque Foothills Ne
Jemez Dam
Cochiti Dam
Santa Fe 2
Socorro
Bosque Del Apache

Down here I use State University, the station since 1959-ish on the NMSU campus, just out of the valley. So, representative of much of town outside the cold air drainages. I wish we had more stations here.

For day to day, I use hourly observations and compare those consistent with nearby stations and known elevations, terrain all over the US (my link is set for temperature, dewpoint, and wind and centered on Las Cruces - you can move around or set your own parameters):
https://www.wrh.noaa.gov/map/?&zoom=11&scroll_zoom=false&center=32.41155953900097,-106.77886962890625&boundaries=true,true,false,false,false,false,false,false,false&tab=observation&obs=true&obs_type=weather&elements=temp,dew,wind&temp_filter=-80,130&gust_filter=0,150&rh_filter=0,100&elev_filter=-300,14000&precip_filter=0.01,18&obs_popup=false&obs_density=60&obs_provider=ALL