Cyrtostachis or Pritchardia E.?

[gurugu]

In July last year, some friends brought me Cyrtostachis seeds, or so they said. (according to them it was the red trunked palmtree).

In 2/3 months, four seeds sprouted. I have had them in standing water since then.

As you can see, no sign of red colour on tiny trunks yet.

Besides, those serrated, cut leaf tips, remind me more to those of Pritchardia Elegans.

What do you think?

 

[Fusca]

6 hours ago, gurugu said:

In July last year, some friends brought me Cyrtostachis seeds, or so they said. (according to them it was the red trunked palmtree).

In 2/3 months, four seeds sprouted. I have had them in standing water since then.

As you can see, no sign of red colour on tiny trunks yet.

Besides, those serrated, cut leaf tips, remind me more to those of Pritchardia Elegans.

What do you think?

 

This is a pinnate palm seedling so Cyrtostachys is a possibility.  Pritchardia are palmate palms so your seedling can't be that.  I've never heard of Pritchardia elegans.  I've never germinated Cyrtostachys seeds before so I can't help with the ID.

[Jegs]

The palm in the bottom picture on the right hand side of the photo looks like a Cyrtostachys Renda.

 

It will be a couple years before you start to see any red or orange coloring on the stem.

 

im not an expert by any means and I could be wrong, but that’s my 2 cents in the matter.

[gurugu]

9 hours ago, Fusca said:

This is a pinnate palm seedling so Cyrtostachys is a possibility.  Pritchardia are palmate palms so your seedling can't be that.  I've never heard of Pritchardia elegans.  I've never germinated Cyrtostachys seeds before so I can't help with the ID.

Ooops! Again I have mistaken Ptychosperma for Pritchardia. Ptychosperma is what I meant. Sorry!

As you say, Pritchardia is a palmate palm from Hawaii. Actually, I have some planted in the ground.

Elegans is only for Ptychosperma. I have just planted one in the ground,  but I'm afraid it won't stand a chance coming next winter.

Thanks for the correction.

[gurugu]

9 hours ago, Jegs said:

The palm in the bottom picture on the right hand side of the photo looks like a Cyrtostachys Renda.

 

It will be a couple years before you start to see any red or orange coloring on the stem.

 

im not an expert by any means and I could be wrong, but that’s my 2 cents in the matter.

Thanks for the input.

I forgot to mention that seeds were picked in Thailand, and that's a bonus.

It's also true that my friends know NOTHING about palms. So seeds can be mixed.

I had read in other threads about the time they take to show some colour on the stems.

Don't you think that if they were Ptychosperma, they would have already root rotted after been in standing water for so long?

That's precisely what drove me to think they were Cyrtostachis, their liking for being in water.

I'll wait till next Spring, when they  are taller, to transplant them to a bigger pot.

I have them in an unheated glass porch where minimum temperatures in winter never drop below 10/11 degrees Celsius.

But most cool nights I have them inside a plastic box with a heating mat underneath. Just in case.

 

[Navarro]

Creo que Ptychosperma elegans con ese tamaño no tendría las hojas tan divididas , aunque el color blanquecino del tallo me recuerda a ellas, supongo que eso es lo que te habría hecho pensar en ellas 

[Jegs]

Here are my Cyrtostachys Rendas that I used to compare them.

 

[gurugu]

2 hours ago, Navarro said:

Creo que Ptychosperma elegans con ese tamaño no tendría las hojas tan divididas , aunque el color blanquecino del tallo me recuerda a ellas, supongo que eso es lo que te habría hecho pensar en ellas 

Hola, Navarro.

Aparte de lo del color blanquecinp del tallo, lo que me tiene mosqueado son las puntas de bastantes hojas, que están cortadas y en forma de sierra, casi como las de la Ptychosperma . Aunque no de una manera tan diagonal .

Ya veremos en qué termina la cosa.

Un saludo.

[gurugu]

1 hour ago, Jegs said:

Here are my Cyrtostachys Rendas that I used to compare them.

 

Thanks for the pictures.

Are the tips of some of the leaves cut shaped, or is it that you cut them with scissors for cosmetic reasons?

When did you sprout them, or how long have they been in those pots for?

Mine are just about one year old. Pretty slow, due to our climate here.

As you say, no sign of red colour yet.

[aabell]

I they look more like Ptychosperma than Cyrtostachys, maybe P. macarthurii though. 

[Jegs]

12 hours ago, gurugu said:

Thanks for the pictures.

Are the tips of some of the leaves cut shaped, or is it that you cut them with scissors for cosmetic reasons?

When did you sprout them, or how long have they been in those pots for?

Mine are just about one year old. Pretty slow, due to our climate here.

As you say, no sign of red colour yet.

I cut the leafs with scissors. Before I learned they don’t like the sun at all, it got sunburnt and turned black.

They grow incredibly slow, like…painstakingly slow. 

[gurugu]

15 hours ago, aabell said:

I they look more like Ptychosperma than Cyrtostachys, maybe P. macarthurii though. 

I'm afraid you are right.

Actually, this is a Ptychosperma Macarthurii seedling, and they are very similar.

Thanks 

[gurugu]

4 hours ago, Jegs said:

I cut the leafs with scissors. Before I learned they don’t like the sun at all, it got sunburnt and turned black.

They grow incredibly slow, like…painstakingly slow. 

It's odd because I have always got them in the sun, and they haven't shown any issue.

I don't know either if Ptychosperma Macarthurii (as aabell@ implies it could be) can handle sun when it is still a seedling.

So, according with what you say, leaves tips on your Cyrtostachys  always end pointed, not cut as with Ptychosperma, right?

I think this is the key to tell them apart.

As I mentioned in another post, I don't know if Ptychosperma wouldn't get root rotted being in standing water since early stage. As these have been.

[Jegs]

6 hours ago, gurugu said:

It's odd because I have always got them in the sun, and they haven't shown any issue.

I don't know either if Ptychosperma Macarthurii (as aabell@ implies it could be) can handle sun when it is still a seedling.

So, according with what you say, leaves tips on your Cyrtostachys  always end pointed, not cut as with Ptychosperma, right?

I think this is the key to tell them apart.

As I mentioned in another post, I don't know if Ptychosperma wouldn't get root rotted being in standing water since early stage. As these have been.

I might have let them dry out too much in the sun before I knew they were pretty much aquatic. That could be the reason for the sunburn. 
 

My leaves never split at this stage. I had one cyrtostachys that was 4 foot tall and the leaves still weren’t split. 
 

My idiot self over-fertilized it and hurt it.

The stem starts to show color at that size. 

[gurugu]

Quite definitely it is not a Cyrtostachys. We'll see what time brings in the future. If it is a Ptychosperma, I didn't know they liked water that much and since being a seedling.

Thanks for helping me to sort it out.

I'll try to buy Cyrtostachys seeds. They are easily available in internet.

[gurugu]

After second thoughts, I'm still not sure if it is Cyrtostachis or Ptychosperma.

3 out of 4 seedlings are emerging new shots, but, as you can see, they come out from inside the leaf base, not new shots from the soil around the trunk.

I've been searching on the internet, and I see that only Cyrtostachys shows this kind of growth, not Ptychosperma Macarthurii. 

Has any of you ever noticed this on your Cyrtostachys?