Livistona Chinensis

[Borosbobo]

Hey!

Can you guys help me? Im a bit confused about the cold hardiness of the Livistona Chinesis palm because if I google it in english it says -10C° but if I google it in Hungarian it says -2C° and also in a nursery they said -2 as well

 

[DAVEinMB]

13 minutes ago, Borosbobo said:

Hey!

Can you guys help me? Im a bit confused about the cold hardiness of the Livistona Chinesis palm because if I google it in english it says -10C° but if I google it in Hungarian it says -2C° and also in a nursery they said -2 as well

 

-10c is more realistic. Won't be very happy but should survive

[Las Palmas Norte]

You don't want to subject a palm like that to -10°C / 14°F for very long,  especially when young.

[Borosbobo]

4 minutes ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

You don't want to subject a palm like that to -10°C / 14°F for very long,  especially when young.

We plan to buy a 2 meter one but we would cover it or even heat it when it gets lower than zero 

[Borosbobo]

38 minutes ago, DAVEinMB said:

-10c is more realistic. Won't be very happy but should survive

Thank you!

[Leelanau Palms]

I'm thinking you might be a great place to host an IPS meeting 😁

[Borosbobo]

2 hours ago, Leelanau Palms said:

I'm thinking you might be a great place to host an IPS meeting 😁

Hahaha definitely! Accompanied by many glasses of wine🤪

[Foxpalms]

7 hours ago, Borosbobo said:

Hey!

Can you guys help me? Im a bit confused about the cold hardiness of the Livistona Chinesis palm because if I google it in english it says -10C° but if I google it in Hungarian it says -2C° and also in a nursery they said -2 as well

 

People in the UK have had these take -5c fine. I did not see damage here during the very bad 2022-2023 winter were I had one night get just below -2c.

[kristof p]

I have one growing in Belguim. I planted it in 2006 and for the last 10 years or so I only protect it with some fleece when it gets colder then -4°C and it is doing fine. It has seen -8°C over the years protected this way without much damage.

Edited March 21, 2024 by kristof p

[Borosbobo]

7 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

People in the UK have had these take -5c fine. I did not see damage here during the very bad 2022-2023 winter were I had one night get just below -2c.

Thank you! 

[Borosbobo]

1 hour ago, kristof p said:

I have one growing in Belguim. I planted it in 2006 and for the last 10 years or so I only protect it with some fleece when it gets colder then -4°C and it is doing fine. It has seen -8°C over the years protected this way without much damage.

Perfect! Then we might get one also 🤔 Thank you!

[Harry’s Palms]

I cannot speak as to the cold hardiness but they are worth whatever effort you care to give. I have one that sits down at the bottom of my hill and I love visiting it every now and then. The cascading leaves are nice and the fact that they are slow keeps them manageable. Harry

[EJPalm05]

Mine died after taking -9C with a bucket over it.

[Fukuoka Scott]

L. chinensis is a very common palm here in Fukuoka (zone 9a). We get down to -3 every couple years and -4 or worse maybe once a decade, and our freezes tend to be long. They never show severe damage here, so I'd wager-5C. My mountain place here, at 2000 ft elevation, does get down to -10C and the only palms around for miles around are windmill palms so I think -10C is delusional unless very brief and rare.

[countryboy1981]

12 minutes ago, Fukuoka Scott said:

L. chinensis is a very common palm here in Fukuoka (zone 9a). We get down to -3 every couple years and -4 or worse maybe once a decade, and our freezes tend to be long. They never show severe damage here, so I'd wager-5C. My mountain place here, at 2000 ft elevation, does get down to -10C and the only palms around for miles around are windmill palms so I think -10C is delusional unless very brief and rare.

There is one near me that had a decent amount of damage to the fronds at 16 degrees (-8.89C) this past winter but no damage otherwise and is growing well currently.

[SeanK]

I encounter the same responses here for many palms. L.chinensis is a z9a palm. That means -2°C every year is OK.

-10°C once every ten years for a trunking palm because it will be defoliated and require three years to recover a full crown.

[Las Palmas Norte]

On 3/21/2024 at 1:58 PM, EJPalm05 said:

Mine died after taking -9C with a bucket over it.

That was a precursor to "kicking the bucket".  L. chinensis like sub or semi tropical conditions like the SE, So-Cal and England.

[Borosbobo]

On 3/21/2024 at 8:47 PM, Harry’s Palms said:

I cannot speak as to the cold hardiness but they are worth whatever effort you care to give. I have one that sits down at the bottom of my hill and I love visiting it every now and then. The cascading leaves are nice and the fact that they are slow keeps them manageable. Harry

Thank you! You have every type of palm!  

[Borosbobo]

On 3/21/2024 at 9:58 PM, EJPalm05 said:

Mine died after taking -9C with a bucket over it.

Hm interesting

[Antonio J.]

On 3/20/2024 at 4:23 PM, Borosbobo said:

Hey!

Can you guys help me? Im a bit confused about the cold hardiness of the Livistona Chinesis palm because if I google it in english it says -10C° but if I google it in Hungarian it says -2C° and also in a nursery they said -2 as well

 

 

On 3/20/2024 at 4:37 PM, DAVEinMB said:

-10c is more realistic. Won't be very happy but should survive

Hola¡ Yo tengo 2 livistonias Chinensis en la sierra de Madrid a 700 m snm.  en un clima muy extremo en el que se llegan a -10ºC  Han soportado heladas de -5ºC  con leves daños en las hojas a -7ºC  o -8ºC la planta puede morir. y las resguardo.  Es más importante la duración de la helada que la temperatura alcanzada, ya que si la helada dura varios días las palmeras moríran con esas . temperaturas.

En Budapest(Buda)este otoño vi, en un lugar resguardado olivos y palmitos (chamerops humilis) al aire libre.

Durante una nevada de varios dias en Madrid (Filomena. Enero 2021)  se alcanzaron los -12ºC  y heló de manera continua durante días,Trachyacarpus fortunei soportó esas temperaturas sin daño alguno, Butia sspp, Phoenix canariensis y Chamerops  perdieron sus hojas, aunque se han recuperado.

Un saludo Antonio J. Hidalgo

 

[Borosbobo]

On 4/2/2024 at 12:18 PM, Antonio J. said:

 

Hola¡ Yo tengo 2 livistonias Chinensis en la sierra de Madrid a 700 m snm.  en un clima muy extremo en el que se llegan a -10ºC  Han soportado heladas de -5ºC  con leves daños en las hojas a -7ºC  o -8ºC la planta puede morir. y las resguardo.  Es más importante la duración de la helada que la temperatura alcanzada, ya que si la helada dura varios días las palmeras moríran con esas . temperaturas.

En Budapest(Buda)este otoño vi, en un lugar resguardado olivos y palmitos (chamerops humilis) al aire libre.

Durante una nevada de varios dias en Madrid (Filomena. Enero 2021)  se alcanzaron los -12ºC  y heló de manera continua durante días,Trachyacarpus fortunei soportó esas temperaturas sin daño alguno, Butia sspp, Phoenix canariensis y Chamerops  perdieron sus hojas, aunque se han recuperado.

Un saludo Antonio J. Hidalgo

 

gracias amigo! Compramos muchas de nuestras plantas en España. y probaremos esta palma también

[Michael36]

I am surprised by the hardiness of this palm. Mine took the -5, snow and day time temps of 0 for a week, in the winter of 22/23. It was covered with a small plastic tent. My sabal minor and brahea edulis almost died. All approx 8-10 years old, not especially big. East London, Uk. 

[Fusca]

On 3/20/2024 at 10:23 AM, Borosbobo said:

Im a bit confused about the cold hardiness of the Livistona Chinesis palm because if I google it in english it says -10C° but if I google it in Hungarian it says -2C° and also in a nursery they said -2 as well

I bet the nursery googled it in Hungarian too!  My juvenile (about 1 meter height overall) survived -12.8°C unprotected after a trunk cut.  They might see leaf damage at -2°C but they're very bud hardy.  First photo is from 2020 and second photo is from April 2021.  By the time I moved in March 2022 it had recovered and looked close to the first photo.

[Foxpalms]

On 6/3/2024 at 8:50 PM, Michael36 said:

My sabal minor and brahea edulis almost died. All approx 8-10 years old, not especially big. East London, Uk. 

Was it a small sabal minor? I have one planted at family members house in north west London that took -6c with no damage unprotected. There is also a Livistona Chinesis there that was unprotected with damage but survived fine. Can't say much about the one I have in central London other than it never gets damaged. Not surprising since it's not seen anything colder than -2c. I also saw in another post you made saying London was zone 8b/9a. London is zone 9a-9b with a few very small zone 10a areas. Anything within the m25 will be zone 9a. The areas right on the edge of the city will be zone 9a that may occasionally see warm 8b winters. Anywhere urban slightly into the ubran heat island, for example Ealing will be warm zone 9a sometimes having zone 9b winters. Shepherd's Bush for example would be a cold zone 9b with occasional 9a winters. Chelsea would be a warm 9b with occasional 10a winters and occasional cool 9b winter temps. Warmer parts of the city of Westminster and London would be a cool zone 10a which can sometimes see 9b winters. 

[Michael36]

On 6/8/2024 at 6:39 AM, Foxpalms said:

Was it a small sabal minor? I have one planted at family members house in north west London that took -6c with no damage unprotected. There is also a Livistona Chinesis there that was unprotected with damage but survived fine. Can't say much about the one I have in central London other than it never gets damaged. Not surprising since it's not seen anything colder than -2c. I also saw in another post you made saying London was zone 8b/9a. London is zone 9a-9b with a few very small zone 10a areas. Anything within the m25 will be zone 9a. The areas right on the edge of the city will be zone 9a that may occasionally see warm 8b winters. Anywhere urban slightly into the ubran heat island, for example Ealing will be warm zone 9a sometimes having zone 9b winters. Shepherd's Bush for example would be a cold zone 9b with occasional 9a winters. Chelsea would be a warm 9b with occasional 10a winters and occasional cool 9b winter temps. Warmer parts of the city of Westminster and London would be a cool zone 10a which can sometimes see 9b winters. 

That good to hear. Although I don’t really know much about the zone thing, so, not sure that was me!

my edulis and sabal minor are recovering. The edulis wasn’t really covered back in winter of 22/23. But the minor was under cover. Although some of these plastic tents aren’t actually water proof. They got wet and I think that’s what got it. 
chinensis got thru unscathed. Am surprised and pleased as it’s one of my favourites. 

[Jeff zone 8 N.C.]

On 6/3/2024 at 3:50 PM, Michael36 said:

I am surprised by the hardiness of this palm. Mine took the -5, snow and day time temps of 0 for a week, in the winter of 22/23. It was covered with a small plastic tent. My sabal minor and brahea edulis almost died. All approx 8-10 years old, not especially big. East London, Uk. 

No way that cold alone almost killed a Sabal minor.  Perhaps other things contributed that did that damage or is it really a S. minor?

[Foxpalms]

8 hours ago, Michael36 said:

That good to hear. Although I don’t really know much about the zone thing, so, not sure that was me!

my edulis and sabal minor are recovering. The edulis wasn’t really covered back in winter of 22/23. But the minor was under cover. Although some of these plastic tents aren’t actually water proof. They got wet and I think that’s what got it. 
chinensis got thru unscathed. Am surprised and pleased as it’s one of my favourites. 

To be honest I think the humidity in there probably got really high and caused more damage that they would have otherwise received. They probably got wet and the very high humidity caused them to stay soaking wet. Did you open the tents up during the day when it was just above freezing?

[Michael36]

No I didn’t. The tent wasn’t really getting much sun either. In the past I had something that would get the sun, and wouldn’t let water in. And EVERYTHING survived. I had all kinds of young palms in there with no heating. 
this was a different set up, let water in, didn’t get sun, things got wet. I think that’s what got the minor. Also had a lovely big archontophoenix in there that survived all previous winters but not that one. Shame.