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Do date palms work well in deep shade?


shark

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Hi, If you have a date palm that grows in deep shade please reply,  and also do they work well in there?

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It’s not my palm but one I drive by frequently. 
 

there is a CIDP planted underneath the canopy of a live oak and magnolia that is just starting to put a little bit of trunk out but it seems very leggy. 
otherwise happy tho. 

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You can only try. What species are you considering? Where are you? Many. If not most want full sun, I.e. CIDP, edible date palms and more want sun, hot dry heat and do poorly in rainy climates, I.e., SE US. Full, deep shade doesn’t strike me as an optimum growing environment for any Phoenix. Any reason you picked that site for any palm from this genus? In any case get the largest specimen you can. Also, be aware that most Phoenix are hybrids of multiple species.

Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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My P. canariensis needs full to thrive, I started it off in a semi shade position and didnt put on much growth, but is now in full sun and growing fast. I find that P. robelenii grows well with light shade,  so you could try that species. 

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Unless I don't understand your climate well enough, Phoenix dactylifera, i.e., the edible date palm is a desert palm that needs high, dry heat and full sun to produce suitable dates. In rainy, humid, hot summer climates like I live in, they will produce vastly inferior dates if they produce any at all. My winters tend to be cool and dry but that is not enough to grow edible dates. In a (year round?)  wet sweltering climate in "deep" shade they likely won't survive at all. You can buy dates at a store for less expense and grief.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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I have observed  phoenix species of dactylifera, CIDP, sylvestris, rupicola, reclinata-hybrid, theophrasti, and roebelinii grow robustly in scorching arizona sun and several of these also in california and florida.  Aside Weevils CIDP grew best in CA and dactyliferas were clearly best in arizona where the fruit was abundant and perfectly ripe.   Among palms, Dactylifera is a desert palm, only W. Filiferas are more resilient without regular irrigation in the desert climate.  In florida, my rupicolas seem quite happy and Ive seen some happy sylvestris though also many unhappy ones in clay soil here.  So all but rupicola seem to look happier with better color and fuller crowns outside florida(CA, AZ).  In indonesia I would expect its a tropical humid climate, though its a huge country and I realize that can vary.  I would first talk to locals to find out if anyone grows date palms there before looking at sun/shade, but I am pessimistic about shade grown phoenix after seeing them in different climates.

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Formerly in Gilbert AZ, zone 9a/9b. Now in Palmetto, Florida Zone 9b/10a??

 

Tom Blank

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Even in the open it's not likely to survive but shade would be worse.  Here about the only Phoenix that can cope is roebellenii. Also good in shade. I've seen the Date Palms come up from people spitting out seed but they don't last too long. And we have a dry season with relative humidity much lower than yours, although nights are still around 90%. Their ideal situation is sitting in water with no overhead tree cover or clouds.

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