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Chambeyronia zone pushing or not - show us yours


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I’ve got a bunch in my yard. Like 25, most over 30 feet.

How about the rest of you?

I’ve seen many encouraging posts about growing them in the desert, and Northern California. How about the Inland Empire? 
 

Or other places? Tell us and show us if you can, or ask questions!

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Sing one if you can!

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Santa Paula , California , Ventura County. Brought home from a trip to Maui. I got certs so it is legal. Very small when planted in about 2000. Shade in early morning , sun most of the afternoon. We rarely see below 38f. I’ve never had trouble with this palm , just leaf burning a little bit in the summer.

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I planted mine about 8 years ago. Seminole Florida .  Full sun most of day.  Lowest temperature this winter was 35F for one night.  Minor leaf burn in summer.  It gets irrigation regularly.  Cow manure as fertilizer.  IMG_0665.thumb.jpeg.3bf447b205ca4ecb6f99ecae8c07b54c.jpegFirst year of inflorescence.  Hopefully I get viable seeds to plant more.  People walking their dogs stop to admire its beauty.  Two years ago a pool company stopped by and asked if they could buy it from me.  I told him no thanks.  

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I’ve got 2 in the ground and a couple more in the line up to plant out later. 

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Can't seem to find my totally awesome Chambey pics at the moment, but I found this problem child. These were taken in June. I applied hydrogen peroxide most weeks into the fall, and this thread made me realize I really need to check on it.  Any ideas? It's in shade. It has siblings that are doing fine.

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@SoFlo It looks like some water got trapped down in the leaf base and some mold/fungus grew. Hows it look now? I had a much smaller one do something similar. Alternating Peroxide and Daconil treatments cleared it up although the palm has had slow growth since. 

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Τhose of you growing it in Mediterranean climates: how fast does it grow? I am wondering if it is worth growing it from seeds (I am in my 40s 😄 )

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I’m in Phoenix I get 2-3 fronds a year I would say it is absolutely worth growing from seed!!!

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I would agree . I bought mine in Maui and it was just a seedling. I was 45 or so at the time . I’m 69 now and I’m really glad I planted it . Harry

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These are fairly carefree in this area of the SF Bay Area. Just need to keep them well irrigated in the summer. Two of my twelve are in full sun and occasionally suffer some leaf burn but grow well otherwise. Partial to full shade works best here.
 

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7 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

These are fairly carefree in this area of the SF Bay Area. Just need to keep them well irrigated in the summer. Two of my twelve are in full sun and occasionally suffer some leaf burn but grow well otherwise. Partial to full shade works best here.
 

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SCREAM!!! Run down the street. 
 

You’ve got twelve!! You’re about half as nutty as me! 

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2 hours ago, DoomsDave said:

SCREAM!!! Run down the street. 
 

You’ve got twelve!! You’re about half as nutty as me! 

Ha ha, I just can never have enough of These. I may buy more of them in the spring! 

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I have 7 all juveniles in my yard. I have a mix of 4 Macrocarpa and 3 Hookeri.

I also planted a trio with Macrocarpa and Hookeri with a Clinostigma Savoryanum all in a planted getting some shade from a larger Howea double.

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Here’s my largest Hookeri planted next to a smaller one I got from you @DoomsDave as a small 1G two yrs ago. Definitely wouldn’t call it a zone push where I live. I do have a bit of an issue keeping the large one as green as I’d like tho. 
 

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How hard would it be to keep one of these alive in z8b-9a? I have kept a foxtail alive for a few winters now, so maybe this could be an option?

Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 1 W. bifurcata, 4 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 4 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 2 P. canariensis, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 3 P. roebelenii, 1 H. lagenicaulis, 1 H. verschaffeltii, 9 T. fortunei, 1 C. humilis, 2 C. macrocarpa, 1 L. chinensis, 1 R. excelsa, 1 S. bermudana, 1 L. nitida

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I have three older ones in my Carlsbad garden, but only one in the ground here in Leucadia.  It is becoming more visible from outside the fence with each new leaf.  It can be seen from both the side street and the front street now.  I have always done better with the Chambeyronia hookeri than green trunked macrocarpa.

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@JLM palmpedia says 28 degrees so I would stay close to that but they also say they don’t like hot dry weather and I’m growing them in Phoenix so that shoots a hole in that!! If. Your low is within a few degrees of that I would give one a try!!

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Mine gets leaf burn in dry weather and direct sun which is often . If I were in a more humid environment I’m sure they would look better. I bought my seedling in a valley in Maui . It was in the eighties and the parent plants were in full sun but no burn whatsoever, HUMIDITY! 

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1 hour ago, 96720 said:

@JLM palmpedia says 28 degrees so I would stay close to that but they also say they don’t like hot dry weather and I’m growing them in Phoenix so that shoots a hole in that!! If. Your low is within a few degrees of that I would give one a try!!

Are they okay with having fronds tied up? My bizzy didn’t seem to appreciate it very much which seemed to exacerbate the damage done during the arctic blast in January. I had a low of 18F. Luckily the bizzy is already opening a new frond so it’s still alive! If macrocarpas are good with temps down to 28F then I’ll be fine planting it here and will actually probably plant it tomorrow. I don’t suspect we get anymore deep freezes here but nonetheless if we do, I’ll be protecting things as usual. 
 

Also, the foxtail never experienced freezing temperatures during the January freeze, lowest it got was 36F but only because water got inside before the freeze due to precipitation the morning prior (which was freezing rain).

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Chambeyronia macrocarpa generally have stiff leaves.  Tying them up could be a bit tricky.  

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Are they okay with having fronds tied up? My bizzy didn’t seem to appreciate it very much which seemed to exacerbate the damage done during the arctic blast in January. I had a low of 18F. Luckily the bizzy is already opening a new frond so it’s still alive! If macrocarpas are good with temps down to 28F then I’ll be fine planting it here and will actually probably plant it tomorrow. I don’t suspect we get anymore deep freezes here but nonetheless if we do, I’ll be protecting things as usual. 
 

Also, the foxtail never experienced freezing temperatures during the January freeze, lowest it got was 36F but only because water got inside before the freeze due to precipitation the morning prior (which was freezing rain).

 

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14 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Chambeyronia macrocarpa generally have stiff leaves.  Tying them up could be a bit tricky.  

 

Building a box may be the solution then

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Those who planted multiples do they all have the red leaves emerge around the same time or not?

There is a park next to my house it has one and has a 12' tall trunk but the new emerging leaf were always plain green, so not all of them have red young leaves?

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2 hours ago, miamicuse said:

Those who planted multiples do they all have the red leaves emerge around the same time or not?

There is a park next to my house it has one and has a 12' tall trunk but the new emerging leaf were always plain green, so not all of them have red young leaves?

Mine, albeit very different size, are on their own schedule. They typically only hold their color for a few weeks so they haven’t synced up yet. 

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On 2/11/2024 at 2:54 PM, Tracy said:

I have three older ones in my Carlsbad garden, but only one in the ground here in Leucadia. 

I noticed the new red frond on the hookeri flaming over the fence the other day when I rode by on my bike. What about the Chambeyronia houailou? I remember that one being on the other side of the yard by the walkway on the north side of the property. I imagine that one has gained quite a bit of size since the last time I saw it. 

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4 hours ago, miamicuse said:

Those who planted multiples do they all have the red leaves emerge around the same time or not?

There is a park next to my house it has one and has a 12' tall trunk but the new emerging leaf were always plain green, so not all of them have red young leaves?

My three in Carlsbad are all out of sync.  One is the green trunk C macrocarpa and two are C hookeri form.  Like fireworks, there are "duds" or some specimens that just don't produce red leaves.  If the one in the park has the yellow trunk like C hookeri, it is also possible it is actually a Chambeyronia houailou, which normally only has a slight pink salmon hue to newly emerging leaves, with more of a blue tint to the green when the leaves harden.  Despite the lack of red color with Chambeyronia houailou, I find the palm form to be even more attractive than the C macrocarpa.

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4 minutes ago, Billy said:

What about the Chambeyronia houailou? 

We are a couple to a few weeks away from its next emerging leaf, and yes, Kurt and Mary next door are starting to get a better look at it now.  They have a high hedge above the fenceline that has blocked the view in the past.

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Do these palms tolerate wet feet? This area tends to flood, although this particular spot is higher than the surrounding area. This is a spot that is protected from north winds and the palm may also benefit from any heat the house may put off. Generally, it is a good spot if it’s okay with frequent wet feet.

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6 hours ago, Billeb said:

Mine, albeit very different size, are on their own schedule. They typically only hold their color for a few weeks so they haven’t synced up yet. 

-dale 

Will they ever synch up?  I think it's best to be out of synch so you have some red leaf more often.  I have only 1 specimen and I get two new leaves a year (if that) and the red stays about 1 week.

I am thinking of getting more, if I do get more I wonder if you plant them close by or far apart.  Does anyone plant them as "multiples" or is that too crowded.

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On 2/12/2024 at 4:44 PM, JLM said:

Do these palms tolerate wet feet? This area tends to flood, although this particular spot is higher than the surrounding area. This is a spot that is protected from north winds and the palm may also benefit from any heat the house may put off. Generally, it is a good spot if it’s okay with frequent wet feet.

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Ideally you want good drainage. If the water just sits at the bottom of the hole, especially during times of heavy precipitation, that won’t bode well for the palm.

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On 2/12/2024 at 5:52 PM, miamicuse said:

Will they ever synch up?  I think it's best to be out of synch so you have some red leaf more often.  I have only 1 specimen and I get two new leaves a year (if that) and the red stays about 1 week.

I am thinking of getting more, if I do get more I wonder if you plant them close by or far apart.  Does anyone plant them as "multiples" or is that too crowded.

I picked up two Chambeyronia planted in the same container, and they look great. The trunk bases have become swollen and the trunks are curved, the overall height of the two are less than a single as well, but it’s an attractive specimen.  I’ve never seen more than two, but maybe.

I’ll snap a photo and post.

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On 2/12/2024 at 10:37 AM, miamicuse said:

Those who planted multiples do they all have the red leaves emerge around the same time or not?

There is a park next to my house it has one and has a 12' tall trunk but the new emerging leaf were always plain green, so not all of them have red young leaves?

I have twelve, some very young, some with plenty of trunk. Only occasionally more than one will have a red leaf at the same time as another. They all grow at different rates. Some producing four new leaves per year, some only two and one that only produces a new frond every 10 months. Each has a different shade of red from pink to maroon to orange to ruby red. 

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So far I only have 2 in my garden but they've done so well here in Moreno Valley that I plan on getting more. They definitely want some canopy to be happy but and now I have lots of that established. Here's my largest one growing near a mule. 

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Boy, living in San Diego in the 90’s and early 2000’s and had known this palm was available, I would have had a yard full of them. Oh well, I had a chance to make up for it and plant five here in Hilo. 

Here’s a C. hookeri, missed the red leaf this go around.

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 I only have one and it is really small. I think it has been in the ground a couple of years planted as a really small palm just barely showing pinnate leaves. It took a while to start putting out red fronds and I thought it was a dud but it puts out some color now. The red lasts a lot longer in the cool months than in the summer. Leaves still burn really easily in the sun. I hope it grows out of that trait as it ages. This picture is from early January this year. 
 

 

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Pic from farther back. I use the Rhapis as a utility palm to cast some shade on this. I would have no problem cutting out some of the Rhapis as this ages a little more to lessen competition but I feel if I cut back its Rhapis canopy too soon it will set it back in the blazing sun. 
 

 

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7 hours ago, realarch said:

Ideally you want good drainage. If the water just sits at the bottom of the hole, especially during times of heavy precipitation, that won’t bode well for the palm.

Tim 

Two days later and there’s a thick layer of mud in the hole, probably time to find a different spot. Thanks for the info!

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