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Butyagrus?

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I always have a time identifying hybrid correctly. Is this just god old Butyagrus nabonnandii or some other mix?

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My guess is it's the standard mule. They've actually gotten fairly common in better nurseries. To guess otherwise, need a closeup of the trunk.

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This is another mule in my neighborhood and it just has a different look to me. It’s darker and not really any recurve like the smaller ones. I guess there can be such a mix of genes expressed. There is a large jubaea chilensis x syagrus romanzoffiana in the neighborhood too that is very similar as well. 🤯FDB8D7BC-44B6-43C1-AFD4-E6FE270EE479.thumb.jpeg.122b6aae3b0d4d935cbef735eda9b1a4.jpegE6D695F3-9791-4A4D-ABEA-461EC216F074.thumb.jpeg.775e6f0a0eed6eb10d662731aaff5973.jpeg

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Yeah, some mules will be a perfect mix of both parents, while others will express very heavily on one side. The one in the above picture is likely expressing much much more Butia. Now that mule in that second set of pictures, my goodness gracious thats a beautiful palm! That looks like one of those perfect mixes.

Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 1 W. bifurcata, 4 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 4 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 2 P. canariensis, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 3 P. roebelenii, 1 H. lagenicaulis, 1 H. verschaffeltii, 9 T. fortunei, 1 C. humilis, 2 C. macrocarpa, 1 L. chinensis, 1 R. excelsa

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8 minutes ago, JLM said:

Yeah, some mules will be a perfect mix of both parents, while others will express very heavily on one side. The one in the above picture is likely expressing much much more Butia. Now that mule in that second set of pictures, my goodness gracious thats a beautiful palm! That looks like one of those perfect mixes.

That's interesting. I'm guessing the one in the OP would be hardier as a result? 

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That's interesting. I'm guessing the one in the OP would be hardier as a result? 

Yea, hardiness is also variable. Generally though, all mules will be hardier than queens to some extent. For the hardiness of the palms pictured, considering they are both living and thriving in the Mobile area, particularly following the Christmas freeze which dropped the mercury into the upper teens and low 20s for most places here, they are both pretty hardy.

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Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 1 W. bifurcata, 4 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 4 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 2 P. canariensis, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 3 P. roebelenii, 1 H. lagenicaulis, 1 H. verschaffeltii, 9 T. fortunei, 1 C. humilis, 2 C. macrocarpa, 1 L. chinensis, 1 R. excelsa

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The larger one was planted planted in 2007 according to my neighbor. It was gifted to them from another retired horticulturist neighbor who was trying different crosses himself. Unfortunately they know nothing about what they have and he is no longer with us or I would be his best friend. They have a ton of other unusual palms, cycads, and citrus that he planted around their property that I need to investigate soon. I sure wish that big boy wasn’t sterile because it would be a great candidate to try some other Syagrus or Jubaea crosses with!😢 

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