Alberto Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 This palm I cultivated from a little seedling that came from Italy. It looks so close to a regular P. canariensis that I have my doubts about the ID. What do you think? 2 Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted May 25 Author Report Share Posted May 25 2 Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted May 25 Report Share Posted May 25 Normal Phoenix canariensis 2 2 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 (edited) Could not be more true to type CIDP! Edited May 26 by Phoenikakias 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted May 26 Report Share Posted May 26 (edited) Alberto, for what it may be worth, I I obtained a handful seeds of the taxon Phoenix Atlantica var Marocana. Kew has classified in to synonymity with P dactylifera. However, as I had the chance to grow at same time and of same age seedlings of this taxon, of P theophrasti (seeds brought from Vai) and of P dactylifera (from medjool dates), I spotted some very remarkable common features of first to and in absent in the third one. Perhaps those common traits are indications of wild Phoenix spp. So first common trait is that both had quite narrow eophylls, about half a time narrower that the eophylls of medjool dactylifera. Left eophyll of atlantica var marocana and right of theophrasti Vai population, latter is more glaucous while former had a peculiar color intermediate between CIDP and dactylifera (deeper green) Comparison of eophylls between atlantica var marocana and dactylifera seed medjool. Latter had identical color to theophrasti. Furthermore both theophrasti and atlantica did not have initially the vigorous root system of dactylifera, which of course had an impact on their speed of growth and amenability to root disturbance. The dactylifera juveniles, though of identical age started one year earlier leaf division. Dactylifera juveniles in June and December 2021 respectively Atlantica var marocana towards end of May 2022. One individual had barely initiated leaf division! Also as the leaf division progressed, I noticed that leaflets are also narrower with sharper tips than dactylifera. The narrower leaflets were also observed on a juvenile Phoenix sylvestris I grow also in my garden. Pictures taken during February 2023. Imo whatever these plants truely are, if they turn out like those plants spotted via google earth in Morocco, I am ready ro replace the rest of my palm collection! Edited May 26 by Phoenikakias 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted May 26 Author Report Share Posted May 26 Thanks for your pictures and comments. Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil. Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm I am seeking for cold hardy palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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