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For some, Florida drought is getting very "extreme"


SubTropicRay

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As you all know, these things turn on a dime and then over deliver!

What you look for is what is looking

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It would be most ideal for my weather monitoring if the drought eases up during naturally drier times. What comes to mind here is this past dry winter where a lot of cold spot airports performed very poorly for my monitoring because their dry soil gave them higher radiational cooling->poor frost dates, and wetter-than-usual-soil (even normally wet soil) would help a lot to fix the problem.

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On 6/6/2023 at 7:34 AM, bubba said:

As you all know, these things turn on a dime and then over deliver!

We're so far below normal, heavy rain will be sucked up very quickly.  With the long range models looking dry, I unfortunately don't see an end to this.  The latest map is extra irritating....notice the little sliver, custom made for me. 😡

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Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

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Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

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New update:

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Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 1 W. bifurcata, 4 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 4 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 2 P. canariensis, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 3 P. roebelenii, 1 H. lagenicaulis, 1 H. verschaffeltii, 9 T. fortunei, 1 C. humilis, 2 C. macrocarpa, 1 L. chinensis, 1 R. excelsa, 1 S. bermudana, 1 L. nitida

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I figured that was a false start, one year it happened in april and may went hot and dry into june here.  I got just enough rain over three evenings in a row to start the weeds and smilax growing again.  Hopefully the onshore showers are more prolific than they expect.  Highs are still staying below 90 on the seabreeze most days, and if it does hit 90 its not for long before the onshore wind kicks in, so im not seeing much stress on plants.  Im really hoping the comparisons to 1998 don't come to fruition either with the el nino now in place.  I wasn't here, but the fires were bad and the drought extreme-no thanks.

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I saw a row of wilted, established Crape Myrtles yesterday.  I tempted fate by washing my car yesterday.  6 rainfalls in nearly 6 full months but the drought is only "moderate" now 🤣.       

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Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

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Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

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Ray,

I cannot believe that you guys are still experiencing drought over on the Gulf! This has been the earliest and rainiest commencement of wet season (May 10?) that I can recall. Constant thunderstorms in the afternoon that roll west to east and actually make it to the ocean. 

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On 6/6/2023 at 9:58 AM, Can't think of username said:

It would be most ideal for my weather monitoring if the drought eases up during naturally drier times. What comes to mind here is this past dry winter where a lot of cold spot airports performed very poorly for my monitoring because their dry soil gave them higher radiational cooling->poor frost dates, and wetter-than-usual-soil (even normally wet soil) would help a lot to fix the problem.

Then again, depending on what the actual weather patterns are, radiational cooling-enhancing drought might not actually pose a problem to the weather monitoring. If the cloud cover at night is sufficient, or the high pressure dominant enough, the overnight lows can easily stay exactly as toasty as I want for good monitoring.

Let's take Tallahassee airport for example, which (as some of you have seen from my comments on other threads) is one of the best examples of a cold spot airport that can suffer from this and has had precisely that problem in October 2022. October 2019 and 2020 were both quite dry, just like 2022, for which the drought caused the freak October frost and was 3C below normal for the average low.

And yet despite that, October 2020 had the warmest average low on record (+4.2C) with October 2019 right behind that at +4.1C, and neither getting below 10C (+5.8C from the usual monthly low) - 2019 saw enough high pressure and 2020 enough cloud cover to keep cooling off at bay.
Another example which I would find even more desirable was April 2015. Likewise quite drier than normal, but it puts even October 2019 and 2020 to utter shame - the average low was +6.7C above normal with the lowest temperature all month of 13C being +10.1C above the usual lowest and 1.6C higher than the average April low.

Little bit of a tangent there, lol. But it's quite amazing the range of effects or lack of effects the drought can have on my weather monitoring, really.
I've actually learned all this can happen because of last season's dry weather. Hopefully this year's drought will have more to teach me! 

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5 hours ago, bubba said:

Ray,

I cannot believe that you guys are still experiencing drought over on the Gulf! This has been the earliest and rainiest commencement of wet season (May 10?) that I can recall. Constant thunderstorms in the afternoon that roll west to east and actually make it to the ocean. 

It's real my friend.  Worst drought here since the fire laden spring of 2000-2001.  You guys are getting good rain because the pattern is reversed of the norm.  The dominant and persistent west wind pushes any measurable rain well inland and over to you guys.  The sad thing is there's no significant sign of a pattern change.  I am very tired of watering.  The potted plants are suffering because of the lack of fresh water to rinse out the salts (leftover from using exclusively hard, municipal water).  I've had a strange fear of a summer where it never rains.  I'd always dismiss it but it may be upon us.

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Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

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I don't think we've had even a drop of rain in the past two weeks. Every day in the 90s, scarcely a cloud overhead and glaring sun dawn to dusk. The winds blow the rain to the east and until and if they change direction we will stay parched. Guess I go back to hand watering. 

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Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Sorry to hear! The flip side over here is not the best!

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I've been getting a ton of rain on the east coast.  You guys on the other coast can have some of it. 

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Brevard County, Fl

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2 hours ago, Jimbean said:

I've been getting a ton of rain on the east coast.  You guys on the other coast can have some of it. 

My location had over 11 inches of rain in May, but ~90% of it fell on two days.  Feast or famine I guess.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Nothing in the offing until at least the weekend. Broke down and hand watered recent plantings under the occasional cloud. I give thanks every time that Cape Coral pioneered a dual water system that sets aside freshwater canal water and treated water in a separate irrigation system. Costs us $10 per month and has saved countless plants that might otherwise have shriveled into dust.

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Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Not sure what's "moderate" about this drought in my region.  I'll say that this map is full of it and needs more granularity.  It's a bonafide red to dark red in my garden.  

 

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Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

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Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

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I was woken up by the remnants of the rain from the panhandle at 2am.  A tenth of an inch and the fourth rain event of any kind in over a month.  Totals arent close to enough, nor the frequency, but the forecast claims thats about to change.  It flipped like a switch like that in 2011 too.  June 23 to be exact, i flew home to see family and did not have plants ready to drown yet, so some died from preventable fungus since i was gone. I learned real quick lol

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Some spots in Pensacola, FL has picked up almost 15 inches of rain within the past 5-6 hours, with more rain falling and expected to continue for the next hour or two and possibly an inch or two more of rain. We are in a pattern of near daily severe weather threats and along with that, heavy rainfall. WPC is expected another 7-10 inches of rainfall in this area over the next 7 days. This is gonna be a doozy.

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Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 1 W. bifurcata, 4 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 4 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 2 P. canariensis, 1 BxJ, 1 BxJxBxS, 1 BxS, 3 P. roebelenii, 1 H. lagenicaulis, 1 H. verschaffeltii, 9 T. fortunei, 1 C. humilis, 2 C. macrocarpa, 1 L. chinensis, 1 R. excelsa, 1 S. bermudana, 1 L. nitida

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Finally tonight im getting a good downpour.  First one was a quarter inch and its pouring hard again now. Maybe i can get caught up lol

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53 minutes ago, flplantguy said:

Finally tonight im getting a good downpour.  First one was a quarter inch and its pouring hard again now. Maybe i can get caught up lol

Rain at night is a blessing with less evaporation and more soaking.  Started the day off right with an inch of rain and it was dry enough to mow by 1pm.  This T-storm ahs added an inch of rain in the last 15 minutes with more on the way.  Hope Mother Nature turns on the sprinklers for our counterparts in Tampa and the rest of the Gulf coast.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Moderate overnight rain must have been a Father's Day gift.  I sure hope there's more on the way.  

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Got 1.6” overnight, maybe more on the way. I was dreading more hand watering under cloudless sky. Just get on with rainy season before everything dries up and blows away. Time’s a wasting while my 4-1/2 month rainy season dwindles to 3-1/2 months.

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Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Got an additional 5+ inches for a total of nearly 7" of rain in about 12 hours. The palms are refreshed, the Isabelle Canal is full. No hand watering for a while.

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Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
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Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Good to hear some of the folks on the Gulf side are getting some rain now.  Hope the situation continues to improve over in South Tampa, @SubTropicRay.

My location added 3" of rain yesterday and the day before.  There is more on the way tonight, but more thunder and lightning than rain so far. 

From NWS for the lower I-4/I-275 Corridor (https://water.weather.gov/precip/) :

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Back to tiny amounts for me but its a start.  0.06 today but dropped the temp to 72 going into nightfall.

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This morning's rain hit the driest spot on the coast here pretty nicely.  I dont mind being woken up at 4 in the morning to rain on the window.  Weeds are taking off now🙄🙂

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Got another windy 0.6” overnight.

Meg

Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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1 hour ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Got another windy 0.6” overnight.

You've hit the lottery!  Nice.  I'm waiting in line for my ticket.😀

Tampa, Interbay Peninsula, Florida, USA

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Bokeelia, Pine Island, Florida, USA

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1 hour ago, SubTropicRay said:

You've hit the lottery!  Nice.  I'm waiting in line for my ticket.😀

I think mother nature heard you🤣

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Little shots every other day over here on the East Coast. No downpours just .25 - .50 at a time with the occasional 1”+ every few weeks. 0FC86223-4510-4A88-BE1C-D1E66710B862.thumb.jpeg.821f73963c3b5365be72411f1482cabe.jpeg

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6 hours ago, D. Morrowii said:

Little shots every other day over here on the East Coast. No downpours just .25 - .50 at a time with the occasional 1”+ every few weeks. 

Honestly ideal for all-around growth.  For the month, my garden gauge is around 8 inches of rain.  The vast bulk of it has come overnight when less of it has a chance to evaporate.  My weather was pretty similar to @RedRabbit's - it stayed in the 70s most of the day while piling on another half inch of rain.  That's going to help a lot as far as reducing evaporation from our usual mid-90s and no clouds after a daytime rain shower.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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2 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

Honestly ideal for all-around growth.  For the month, my garden gauge is around 8 inches of rain.  The vast bulk of it has come overnight when less of it has a chance to evaporate.  My weather was pretty similar to @RedRabbit's - it stayed in the 70s most of the day while piling on another half inch of rain.  That's going to help a lot as far as reducing evaporation from our usual mid-90s and no clouds after a daytime rain shower.

For sure! No complaints here. A 1/2” is a pretty good soaking and when I’m getting them every couple days everything seems to stay nice and moist. I’ve added a few rain barrels to the mix and even just 1/4” of rain puts 30-35 gallons in each of them. A 1/2” and even the big 65 gallon ones are overflowing. 

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Man, the rain in this area is absolutely nutty this year.  We are up to about 55 inches plus today’s totals, and just got absolutely hammered at the house this afternoon.  Street totally flooded, main arteries flooded bad in spots….  super heavy dumping rain for a few hours just north of the city.  

Of course, it’s hyper-local sometimes, and drained off pretty fast today.   But it’s amazing what a little speck on the radar can do.  

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The forecast here is back to sunny and dry for a while.  I just planted a few seedlings of trees so rain would be nice, but they are hot and sunny loving types so they should like getting blasted by the sun here.

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People in interior and east FL are being flooded out. Here we can't buy a raindrop. After last week's 6.7" not a drop. The clouds pass us by and the heat is oppressive. Time to fire up up the hose.

Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
Florida
Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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Glad to hear those folks on the eastern side of the state are enjoying the plentiful rain.  For me, it's status quo.  I'm averaging a few rain drops every 3 weeks or so.  It's been the worst summer in over 20 years for rainfall.  The west wind has been in place for over 3 weeks and is a killer.  Until that changes, I don't expect a significant and persistent rainy pattern for the west coast.

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My weeds are back to drought stressed and the rains and clouds are far far away.  Im glad the rain elsewhere restores the water table somewhat cuz my well got a workout today.  When the pattern changes i hope its gentle, but im nervous for how mother nature will make up the difference.

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26 minutes ago, flplantguy said:

My weeds are back to drought stressed and the rains and clouds are far far away.  Im glad the rain elsewhere restores the water table somewhat cuz my well got a workout today.  When the pattern changes i hope its gentle, but im nervous for how mother nature will make up the difference.

Bring it!  I'll take my chances 😁

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High pressure will be sinking south AGAIN with another trough in the southeast.  More of the same on tap.....hot and dry.  The FL east coast will continue to swim.  

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Perhaps hindsight, but 55-gal rain barrels collecting water from the downspouts would at the least, make watering cheaper.

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