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United Kingdom vs Holland vs Central Texas Mega Thread


Little Tex

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1 hour ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Dallas Washingtonia at an apartment complex in 2020 

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How many of them are still alive today? Just curious? They look to have quite a bit of Robusta DNA in them.

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57 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

How many of them are still alive today? Just curious? They look to have quite a bit of Robusta DNA in them.

They all were replaced pretty quickly - but there was another apartment complex nearby with Filifera-ish hybrids in a similar setting that survived. At best maybe one of them would have survived, but they were probably ripped out before they had a chance like a lot of others around town 

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Dallas CIDP pic from a few years back - it survived 21 freeze but won’t look like this until 2025 at best 

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2 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

I wonder how something like this gets pruned. A very tall Washingtonia robusta, there's at least another 7ft-10ft of trunk that couldn't fit in the photo.

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Pure Robusta and at that size typically dont, they start to self-clean, hybrids are the messy ones

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S Texas 2022 and today

They will be back in even N and Central Texas in no time.

 

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Plano CIDP - old pic but survived 2021. It looked like this after being defoliated 5 times in previous 10 years up until this pic 

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@DreaminAboutPalms I thought that Dallas CIDP up against the building had been cut down??

Back to southern England, here is another Washingtonia that I haven't posted before on these forums. It is about 30 miles east of London in Hoo, Kent. As is the case with most southern England washies, it is abusing those English steroids... 2009 vs 2022...

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Has anyone got any recent photos of the Blenheim Gardens CIDP in Minehead, Somerset? These photos are a few years old now.

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I spotted another CIDP as well in Kent. First time posted on the forums...

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A hit on another new one that hasn't been posted before... planted tiny of course back around 2007-2008...

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I still need to get an update on this Filifera as the pictures are like 3-4 years old now. I may go to check it out later next week, or in late April when I am off work. It must be huge now.

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On 3/31/2023 at 6:22 PM, UK_Palms said:

How many of them are still alive today? Just curious? They look to have quite a bit of Robusta DNA in them.

see the issue is, even in Houston, if enough plants died in a group planting, If the buisness was thriving they usually just cut ALL of them down and put new ones, usually replacing washies with sabals, and dactys with sylvestris, and queens with butia. Its weird, but luckily the few queens that survived, are doing great, but idiots keep planting foxtails and adonidias and they get burned terribly then die the next winter. 

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45 minutes ago, Little Tex said:

see the issue is, even in Houston, if enough plants died in a group planting, If the buisness was thriving they usually just cut ALL of them down and put new ones, usually replacing washies with sabals, and dactys with sylvestris, and queens with butia. Its weird, but luckily the few queens that survived, are doing great, but idiots keep planting foxtails and adonidias and they get burned terribly then die the next winter. 

It seems that if there’s a group planting at least one will survive 

From what I’ve seen, all the ancient Washingtonia in a commercial setting around austin, San Antonio, and Dallas to a lesser degree that have survived all the freezes are part of former group plantings.

Post 2021 i saw some washingtonias that didn’t even start coming back until 4th of July so it’s a good thing they weren’t cut down before - huge Filiferas and hybrids that probably would have came back closer to downtown austin got cut down immediately and didn’t have a chance 


 

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Any California challengers for growth rates? 2003 vs 2021 photos, showing about 18 years of growth on these Ventnor CIDP’s. They were planted as tiny little 1 foot seedlings in the early 2000’s. I took these photos back in 2021, so almost 2 years ago now. I wonder what they look like today in 2023?

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The lowest it got there last winter was only about -1C / 30F. Maybe not even as cold as that. Most winters the lowest temperature is usually about +1.5C / 35F and frost free. I will check up on these two in a few months time during the summer or autumn.

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39 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

Any California challengers for growth rates? 2003 vs 2021 photos, showing about 18 years of growth on these Ventnor CIDP’s. They were planted as tiny little 1 foot seedlings in the early 2000’s. I took these photos back in 2021, so almost 2 years ago now. I wonder what they look like today in 2023?

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The lowest it got there last winter was only about -1C / 30F. Maybe not even as cold as that. Most winters the lowest temperature is usually about +1.5C / 35F and frost free. I will check up on these two in a few months time during the summer or autumn.

Gotta say that is a really beautiful place.

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12 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

@DreaminAboutPalms I thought that Dallas CIDP up against the building had been cut down??

Back to southern England, here is another Washingtonia that I haven't posted before on these forums. It is about 30 miles east of London in Hoo, Kent. As is the case with most southern England washies, it is abusing those English steroids... 2009 vs 2022...

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Has anyone got any recent photos of the Blenheim Gardens CIDP in Minehead, Somerset? These photos are a few years old now.

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I spotted another CIDP as well in Kent. First time posted on the forums...

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A hit on another new one that hasn't been posted before... planted tiny of course back around 2007-2008...

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I still need to get an update on this Filifera as the pictures are like 3-4 years old now. I may go to check it out later next week, or in late April when I am off work. It must be huge now.

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It's nice to see all those big Washingtonia and P. canariensis growing in Kent. It realy shows the differance in climate. I am only 100km to the east but we can not grow P. canariensis or Washingtonias completely onprotected. Most winters they would be fine but every 10 or 20 years there will be a winter that kills them even being not far from the sea.  Seeing them growing so close by does make me want to try one again :) . You never know those 2010/2012 winters where the last of their kind but I doubt it. 

A nice adition to all the species already growing fine in the milder locations in the UK would be Arenga engleri. I think there are a few somewhere in the UK.  A few pictures of those would be nice. My A. engleri is getting to big for the greenhouse and I will plant it out in the most sheltered spot in the garden very close to the house. It will be the only palm I will give protection by means of maybe boxing it in during cold spells.  

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On 3/29/2023 at 2:48 PM, Little Tex said:

yeah show me a pure robusta quicker then this in london

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White the jury will be out on just how pure this central London 'Robusta' really is (likely a Robusta dominant hybrid) it probably still exceeds the growth rates shown in your images. Those pics from Houston show 12 years of growth from 2008 to 2020. These photos I am posting are from like 2012/13 to 2019/20, showing only about 7 years of growth.

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This London 'Robusta' is probably massive now and loaded with inflorescence/seeds. It already had inflorescence present back in the 2019 photo. When the next photo update comes, which is somewhat overdue now, it is going to be insane. Especially with the CIDP and pool there too. Also that Houston one is a similar speed to the 'Robusta' in Greenwich that I have posted growth rates from earlier showing 2008 to 2022.

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Robusta growth rate Austin TX

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Doesn’t get much healthier than this 

 

 

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