Windmill palm damage in Nashville

[Landasaw]

Palms of any kind are uncommon around here but I found this at a Mexican restaurant just south of Nashville. Looks like winter Was .not so kind to it.

[Palmaceae]

Does not look good at all. Mine was severally damaged at 4 degrees F but at least all the petioles are green and may come back. The one pictured looks not to have any green at all. Unfortunately, we are forecasted to be in the low 20's for the next 2 nights which will not help.

[Allen]

The flowers look new so maybe alive.  Palms went thru a 25 year low here so it will be lucky to be alive.  probably saw around 0F

Edited March 18 by Allen

[PaPalmTree]

1 hour ago, Landasaw said:

Palms of any kind are uncommon around here but I found this at a Mexican restaurant just south of Nashville. Looks like winter Was .not so kind to it.

do you mind sharing the location on google maps

[Landasaw]

It’s in Antioch.. I’m not sure if I know how to share it on Google maps. I live about half an hour north of there and we are predicted to be down to 20 and 21 the next couple nights. I have a pindo with spear pull And a needle in bad shape. Hoping we’re out of the woods after that and they pull through

[Will Simpson]

I think it will make it . I see green petioles in the center . I'd ask them if you can prune off the dead petioles and fronds for a free meal . 😃

[PaPalmTree]

ok its ok

 

 

[Allen]

1 hour ago, Landasaw said:

It’s in Antioch.. I’m not sure if I know how to share it on Google maps. I live about half an hour north of there and we are predicted to be down to 20 and 21 the next couple nights. I have a pindo with spear pull And a needle in bad shape. Hoping we’re out of the woods after that and they pull through

What's the restaurant name?

[Will Simpson]

I planted this one at Mi Pueblo Mexican Restaurant ( Mi Alpo ; the food is good but I have funny names for a lot of restaurants and businesses lol )  in Winston-Salem when it was a tiny 3 gallon plant . It seems to be really hardy and looks less damaged than my Trachys . 

Will

 

[Landasaw]

The restaurant is called “Casa Fiesta” in Antioch  

[Allen]

1 hour ago, Landasaw said:

The restaurant is called “Casa Fiesta” in Antioch  

Looks like the palm has been there and grown a lot since about 2019

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0447615,-86.6632105,3a,75y,3.7h,80.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s94MHezRSr-21dHcGVSlMyg!2e0!5s20210201T000000!7i16384!8i8192

2019

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0451573,-86.6633099,3a,75y,330.09h,81.47t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1so_Mmj9ZKxiiS1yj08idbkQ!2e0!5s20190401T000000!7i16384!8i8192

2022

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0450503,-86.6629838,3a,37.5y,299.99h,90.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_Z8GHiqVxSc2AmzcGQ-cQw!2e0!5s20220401T000000!7i16384!8i8192

2023

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0451292,-86.6629612,3a,75y,311.66h,74.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5ISHXhRbu4cZbEgcruK6TQ!2e0!5s20230101T000000!7i16384!8i8192

Edited March 18 by Allen

[jwitt]

Gonna bloom and some green towards the spear. I say it will likely live.

[Landasaw]

If they don’t Decide to tear it down

[Las Palmas Norte]

The inflorescence is present so there's no doubt it's alive. 

[SeanK]

Atlanta metro went through 5° to 6° low with 50% burn on Trachycarpus. 100% on the waggies. I see now that it wasn't just old leaves damaged on fortuneis. Even last year's growth has burnt leaflets that has shown itself after last week.

[Allen]

On 3/18/2023 at 12:16 PM, Landasaw said:

Palms of any kind are uncommon around here but I found this at a Mexican restaurant just south of Nashville. Looks like winter Was .not so kind to it.

 

 

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[RFun]

Yeah, as I suspected the palm would bounce back.  As long as the cold doesn't stick around, many cold hardy palms will be ok.  I see Nashville got down to -1F, but the cold certainly didn't stick around.  Actually surprised the Trachy showed that much damage after one night of -1F, considering it's a sheltered spot.  Typically, might have some minimal damage to Trachys, Sabal minor and Palmetto palms around 5F, but those palms have all seen colder and have come back from it.  Look no further than areas of North Carolina for subzero temps and those palms bouncing back.  Even Wilmington, NC has seen 0F before.  Savannah, GA has seen 3F.  If anything, events like that will quickly weed out any weak palms.  Of course, you can add protection, if it is needed.  I'd recommend the hardier variety of Trachys for the Nashville area.  Maybe something that came from the inland areas of the Southeast.  You really can't go wrong with Sabal minor.

Edited September 18 by RFun

[Palmfarmer]

I saw some big project where a developer was planting a ton of Palmettos near Knoxville, TN. 

Is Memphis the warmest area of Tennessee by the way and can butias and stuff grow there? 

[Will Simpson]

I don't think Knoxville would be a good place for Palmettos . It's in a colder area of Tenn . I am lucky to be just over the mountains from Knoxville , and  the mountains protect my area a lot by blocking some of the coldest air . 

I would think that Memphis would be a much better place for Palmettos and Butias . Memphis is further south and away from the mountains with an elevation of 338'  , and Knoxville has an elevation of 886' . 

Weather Highlights

Memphis, Tennessee
Summer High: the July high is around 90.9 degrees
Winter Low: the January low is 30.3
Rain: averages 54.1 inches of rain a year
Snow: averages 3 inches of snow a year

Knoxville, Tennessee
Summer High: the July high is around 88.1 degrees
Winter Low: the January low is 27.9
Rain: averages 50.3 inches of rain a year
Snow: averages 5.8 inches of snow a year

Will

Edited Thursday at 06:22 PM by Will Simpson

[ryjohn]

The wind during this cold event last winter was brutal.  So while the duration wasn’t particularly long, the damage was severe.  I was in Nashville over New Year’s Eve (just after) and even many zone 6-7 evergreens were fried.  But the Southern Mags looked great.  Down here in northeast Louisiana we got to 9 or 10 degrees and I lost 4 of my 5 large 17-year old satsuma trees.  All Indian Hawthorns around town were killed too but very few washingtonias.  Killed all my trunking form chamaedorea radicalis as well that had been through multiple single digit 24 hour plus duration freezes just fine.  Ichang Lemon, Yuzu, and Albaquina olive lost about 50% of limbs back to the main trunk

[RFun]

15 hours ago, ryjohn said:

The wind during this cold event last winter was brutal.  So while the duration wasn’t particularly long, the damage was severe.  I was in Nashville over New Year’s Eve (just after) and even many zone 6-7 evergreens were fried.  But the Southern Mags looked great.  Down here in northeast Louisiana we got to 9 or 10 degrees and I lost 4 of my 5 large 17-year old satsuma trees.  All Indian Hawthorns around town were killed too but very few washingtonias.  Killed all my trunking form chamaedorea radicalis as well that had been through multiple single digit 24 hour plus duration freezes just fine.  Ichang Lemon, Yuzu, and Albaquina olive lost about 50% of limbs back to the main trunk

It could be that the wind was bad there in Nashville.  I don't have the information on how bad the wind was, but typically, when it gets that cold, the winds are quite calm.  I know most of the areas affected by that cold snap (the Southeast) had calm to light winds that night/morning.  If you're worried about winds, it's quite easy to find sheltered spots.  Length of cold snaps is going to be the most important factor, from my experience.

Edited Sunday at 04:54 PM by RFun

[RFun]

On 9/20/2023 at 8:11 PM, Palmfarmer said:

I saw some big project where a developer was planting a ton of Palmettos near Knoxville, TN. 

Is Memphis the warmest area of Tennessee by the way and can butias and stuff grow there? 

Memphis and Chattanooga would be two examples of the warmest areas you'll find in Tennessee.  The 100 year average minimum temperature from Weather.gov has both in zone 8a.  I have seen Sabal Palmettos in both places.  You can also grow Sabal minors and Trachys there (might as well try Serenoa repens, Butias and European Fan Palms).  Knoxville gets more cold from the cold snaps.  It's probably better for Sabal minors and Trachys, although who is to say any severe cold will return?  You just can't predict it.  The key is really the length of the cold snaps.

Edited Sunday at 05:08 PM by RFun

[DreaminAboutPalms]

There are some surprisingly decent looking ones around. It’s doable, just have to have a good way to protect 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

4 hours ago, RFun said:

Memphis and Chattanooga would be two examples of the warmest areas you'll find in Tennessee.  The 100 year average minimum temperature from Weather.gov has both in zone 8a.  I have seen Sabal Palmettos in both places.  You can also grow Sabal minors and Trachys there (might as well try Serenoa repens, Butias and European Fan Palms).  Knoxville gets more cold from the cold snaps.  It's probably better for Sabal minors and Trachys, although who is to say any severe cold will return?  You just can't predict it.  The key is really the length of the cold snaps.

Sabal louisianas are perfect for that region 

[RFun]

21 minutes ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Sabal louisianas are perfect for that region 

Yes, I'd put them under the category of Sabal minors.  The Nashville area will probably see some cold snaps once in a while where protection will be required for all but the hardiest of the bunch.

Edited Sunday at 09:23 PM by RFun

[RFun]

On 3/19/2023 at 10:24 AM, SeanK said:

Atlanta metro went through 5° to 6° low with 50% burn on Trachycarpus. 100% on the waggies. I see now that it wasn't just old leaves damaged on fortuneis. Even last year's growth has burnt leaflets that has shown itself after last week.

Sounds like you have a batch of some weak palms there.  My friend lives in the Atlanta metro and his Palmetto Palms, Sabal minors, Trachies, European Fan Palms and Butias never did show any signs of damage after one night of 7F during that cold event.  The cold never seems to stick around long there or here.  That cold never made it over this way this time.  Only around 26-27F here in the Brunswick area.  I should have planted a bunch of Kings lol.

Edited Sunday at 09:48 PM by RFun

[SeanK]

On 9/24/2023 at 5:26 PM, RFun said:

Sounds like you have a batch of some weak palms there.  My friend lives in the Atlanta metro and his Palmetto Palms, Sabal minors, Trachies, European Fan Palms and Butias never did show any signs of damage after one night of 7F during that cold event.  The cold never seems to stick around long there or here.  That cold never made it over this way this time.  Only around 26-27F here in the Brunswick area.  I should have planted a bunch of Kings lol.

Most of the big Jelly palms died this year. Not many European fans, but those were cut to the ground. Your friend is protecting his palms over the winter to be sure.