Largest Phoenix Canariensis North of London

[Little Tex]

Thanks, But those all look like a consistent 1-1.5 feet of trunk per year

[Axel Amsterdam]

23 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

I have posted them before a few years ago. I will get an update on them at some point though. Hopefully they aren’t damaged from this winter, but they are in a protected courtyard spot in the middle of town where there is some UHI benefit. They came through the 2010 and 2018 freezes when much smaller, but don’t grow as quickly as the ones in London or south coast.

I found a picture of the CIDP on a real estate website. The add mentioned availability in spetember 2022 so we can assume this is a 2021/2022 picture of the 20 foot one.

Edited March 4 by Axel Amsterdam

[UK_Palms]

8 hours ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

I found a picture of the CIDP on a real estate website. The add mentioned availability in spetember 2022 so we can assume this is a 2021/2022 picture of the 20 foot one.

 

You can tell by the grainy photo that it was taken quite a few years ago. A real estate company wouldn't be taking a photo like that today in 2022-23. I will get some updated photos in due course this spring when I get the chance. Until then, you can pipe down.

Here is a CIDP that is growing 5 miles inland in Chichester, Sussex...

[NBTX11]

I know this is a UK thread but here is what they look like recovering from 16 degrees in Texas from the December freeze. 

[NBTX11]

[Axel Amsterdam]

55 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

 

You can tell by the grainy photo that it was taken quite a few years ago. A real estate company wouldn't be taking a photo like that today in 2022-23. I will get some updated photos in due course this spring when I get the chance. Until then, you can pipe down.

‘Pipe down’….i had to look up that one, but i understand this is one more of your usual ways of reacting to some critical questions. 

You and some other European posters here spend hours on this forum producing text on climatic comparisons and theoretical possibilities in the UK and the moment someone asks for some exact proof of a 20 foot inland CIDP or a queen growing 4 fronds per season in the UK the usual reaction is : ‘pictures are somewhere on an old phone’, ‘pics will be posted later’ or after asking many times some halfbaked nighttime pics are being posted or someone starts shouting insults like ‘BS’ or ‘delusional’. 

Very strange pattern of behaviour, i prefer the US posters that simply show damaged palms and survivors in TX by showing pictures instead of all these stories. 

Edited March 4 by Axel Amsterdam

[UK_Palms]

4 minutes ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

‘Pipe down’….i had to look up that one, but i understand this is one more of your usual ways of reacting to some critical questions. 

You and some other European posters here spend hours on this forum producing text on climatic comparisons and theoretical possibilities in the UK and the moment someone asks for some exact proof of a 20 foot inland CIDP or a queen growing 4 fronds per season in the UK the usual reaction is : ‘pictures are somewhere on an old phone’, ‘pics will be posted later’ or after asking many times some halfbaked nighttime pics are being posted or someone starts shouting insults ‘BS’ or ‘delusional’. 

Very strange pattern of behaviour, i prefer the US posters that simply show damaged palms and survivors in TX by showing pictures instead of all these stories. 

 

Anything I post just gets shot down by you these days. The only comments I have seen you post lately are attempts to critique and downplay anything to do with the UK palm scene. I will take critical questions and try my best to answer them, or engage in discussion/debate, however I won't be lectured or berated by some bloke in the Netherlands who has no CIDP or Washingtonia to use as a practical thesis, or experience, in our discussions. Unlike you, I actually study these impressive high latitude specimens in the flesh over here.

Also I don't know who the hell you think you are demanding I go and get photos of a palm, immediately on a whim, to prove something. I will do stuff in my own time (when I get a chance) since I have a job, a family and a life to live. I won't cater to your own needs. Not to mention I have provided more photos and palm growing thesis here in the UK than just about anybody in recent years. I have single handedly put hundreds of impressive UK palms on the map and in the public eye. Certainly enough to support my comments/convictions.

I have never claimed Queens grow 4 fronds per year here, so this comment is clearly directed at Fox Palms as well, who you are also referencing with the "halfbaked nighttime pics" I see. So you are firing shots at a few people here. I think I know who the other guy is you are indirectly referring to as well. Plus I don't have a clue what these "stories" are that you mention!? What on earth are you talking about? Apart from the odd theory, I pretty much post photographic proof for everything. You know that. I am trying to keep things civil on here now, but you are making it difficult. Especially when you are bashing multiple people essentially.

[Hortulanus]

As I've also said this in the Chicago palm talk to just chill a bit more I'm saying this again. The atmosphere is a bit tense in all of the threads regarding palms around our greater area but especially the UK. I'm not taking clear sides here but I really want to get the tension out of this. As I always can understand some points anyone is making I've also been surprised how much doubt one can receive. I'm totally fine with asking questions and the desire to see some pictures and I also don't judge anyone for not believing things without proof but how much this is pursued and how much some people try to disprove the possibilities of some plants in certain regions is mind boggling. On the other hand I also don't see a point in excessively convincing the doubters. I'm not adressing @UK_Palmsor @Axel Amsterdamspecifically here or solely. But in regard to this case: I have to say that @UK_Palmsis right about the fact that you @Axel Amsterdamare mixing up actions or claims by @Foxpalmswith the ones of @UK_Palmsand you're also adressing and critisising several people subliminally which is not good because no one can adress accusations if they haven't been the ones who actually claimed/said something or they can't be clearly identified. And I also I agree with him that you sound a bit demanding, which is not very nice. He is also right about being a person who is actually putting a lot of work into posting pictures and especially taking pictures. I don't even find the time to take pictures within my city limits. He has taken trips to London several times to take photos. I also don't understand the immense opposition from a couple of people doubting and denying so much growth potential or possibility (talking generally not about @Axel Amsterdam), I also think that at a certain point there is no benefit in trying to convince everybody about it. It's yet important to always be critical but mostly for yourself. I don't see any point in investigating the claims and actions by some palmtalkers so much. To conclude my try to calm this down a bit more: We can all post our stuff here and everbody can critisise. If we're not believiing in something then fine don't believe until proven. For those of us who get all the doubt, just post your opinion and provide evidence whenever you can or whenever you like. And if not, also fine. People are going through these threads and they can read every single post and opinion. So everybody is able to form their own. If someone is claiming to grow Cocos nucifera on the moon without protection (LOL 😂) then let them claim it. He might provide evidence or he might not. When I started out posting in this forum I really didn't think there could be so much controversy about something like this, because I don't even understand the point of lying about growing palm trees. 😂 I don't know if this has happened before thus leading some to feel betrayed and now being cautious which I can understand but I would still not understand how this has so much negative effect on anyone. The immense criticism might also lead to some being extremely defensive which I can also understand but also not to that amount because it's not important what everybody thinks if it is the truth and you know it is. In the end everbody is getting what they've called for. Naive people get a reality check. Optimistic people reach things, being more risky and don't stop after failure and pessmistic people are missing out on the things they don't believe in. Scientific evidence is great but imo not the main theme of a forum. A forum is way more about exchanging ideas, plans and most importantly experience. Yet of course scientific data is interesting, not to be left out and also a thing that can be shared. Some are more on one side some more on the other. But let's keep this forum friendly and fun. And also precious for future readers. This forum is one of the best databases for someone growing palms can find. Not trying to lecture anyone but trying to help getting everybody onto a common ground.

[Little Tex]

Yoinks this is a lot to read

[Foxpalms]

I don't know how all this started from someone talking about palms in the UK, then me sharing my experience on that my queen palm grows 3-4 fronds per year and someone else arguing otherwise. It's in the warmest place in the UK against a south facing fall. Secondly it's not like I have a go pro attached to my car recording every palm I drive past. I know of some Washingtonia locations in cold parts of London for example. but I haven't been able to stop to take a photo.  There is no point on arguing against every photo or statement because maybe you do but I'm sure most people aren't able to constantly take photos since we are busy with non palm related things. If there is evidence, say if someone posted photos that are fake that's a different story however. I don't think it's worth starting an argument in every thread either. Someone also saying archontophoenix and syagrus should be tried in warm parts of the south is also not the end of the world either, there are plenty of places they have not been tried in, call it a "theoretical possiblity" if that makes you happy but there are examples of archontophoenix and the syagrus in lamorran which looks fine after this winter. I have to agree with @Hortulanus what would be the point about lying about what palm trees and plants are able to grow where you are I don't understand it. Axel you in the past asked for evidence of monstera deliciosa and howea forsteriana in London and I provided it since I was specifically on that day looking for palms and plants. When able I will take photos of palms to post on Palmtalk however I can't cater to your demands on instantly seeing something 24/7.

[Samuel]

Here is mine growing in St Albans it’s located at the front of my house I have had it for nearly 4 years now and it has only been protected with some frost fleece during the December freeze