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Trachcarpus Taylor Form vs a stiffer fronded Trachy ; and Nainital and Princeps ( green form )

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I hate to say it but while Taylor forms evidently are incredibly hardy with large specimens growing in Raleigh for decades , they didn't handle my 6F very well . I have 3 Taylor Forms and they all look like the palm on the left . The palm on the right is a stiffer fronded form that looks much better . Wow , what a difference !

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My Nainital did OK .

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Trachycarpus princeps ( green form ) had some issues . I don't know if it can handle 6F with damage or the microclimate is really good , but it has green spears and should do well in the spring . The more exposed fronds took a lot of damage whereas the lower fronds  near the house are perfect . What a difference a microclimate makes . 

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Yea they got beat up.  are you planning on spraying them with fungicide?  At 6F they can have hidden damage

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54 minutes ago, Allen said:

Yea they got beat up.  are you planning on spraying them with fungicide?  At 6F they can have hidden damage

I don't plan on doing anything special . Those Trachys have been through 4F and 5F years ago and that cold was more prolonged than that December cold last month . I'm sure they will be fine but have to outgrow that ugliness . 

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"Taylor", that's a new one on me. 

 

 

 

My T. ukhurlensis nicely toasted thanks to 14°F (-10°C) in December. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Will, do you think the Nainital is more cold hardy than the Taylor form Fortunei. I have a few Nanital x Fourtuni cross and was wondering besides growing a little faster if they would be more cold hardy.

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FYI, I received Plant Delights Nursery’s spring catalog the other day. For lovers of Trachycarpus they listed

Trachycarpus fortunei ‘Taylor Form’

Trachycarpus fortunei ‘Bulgaria’

They are also touting introductions of two “New” cultivars

1. Trachycarpus fortunei ‘Dwarf Delights’

2. Trachycarpus x fortunanus ‘Lil Wags’

Their Sabal selections, however, were pitiful.

Meg

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On 1/28/2023 at 7:29 PM, steve617 said:

Will, do you think the Nainital is more cold hardy than the Taylor form Fortunei. I have a few Nanital x Fourtuni cross and was wondering besides growing a little faster if they would be more cold hardy.

The Taylor Forms definitely did worse so I guess Nainitals are more frond hardy . Luckily I haven't had any cold since they've been planted to know how  they would doo at below zero temps . They survived 4F with frond damage but grew out of it . I think the wind was a factor in the frond damage . I think that a Low of 6F might not have been that bad if it weren't windy that cold night .

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On 2/2/2023 at 5:22 PM, PalmatierMeg said:

FYI, I received Plant Delights Nursery’s spring catalog the other day. For lovers of Trachycarpus they listed

Trachycarpus fortunei ‘Taylor Form’

Trachycarpus fortunei ‘Bulgaria’

They are also touting introductions of two “New” cultivars

1. Trachycarpus fortunei ‘Dwarf Delights’

2. Trachycarpus x fortunanus ‘Lil Wags’

Their Sabal selections, however, were pitiful.

I'll check into those other cultivars . Probably will buy them . 

Will

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On 1/28/2023 at 5:45 PM, Las Palmas Norte said:

"Taylor", that's a new one on me. 

 

 

 

My T. ukhurlensis nicely toasted thanks to 14°F (-10°C) in December. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Taylor forms were introduced by someone who brought the plants to the Raleigh area decades ago . They have fronds that are less stiff than other cultivars .

Will

 

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1 hour ago, Will Simpson said:

...They have fronds that are less stiff than other cultivars .

I've had and have seen, numerous Windmills with those relaxed fronds, none of which have been anywhere close to those regions. They do look noticeably distinctive. 

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A Trachycarpus fortunei is a fortunei, all these names are just marketing gimmicks.  It's total garbage I wish people would stop.

 

I have a bunch of Trachycarpus fortunei "Beaverton" if anyone is interested. 

"Trachycarpus fortunei "Beaverton" come from one of the coldest areas in the Portland Metro Area.  What's surprising is these palms come from a run down strip mall, and experience no summer irrigation and are subjected to the colder temps from one of the westernmost suburbs of Portland that is at a higher elevation.  These palms have never been protected since first being planted and reliably produce seeds every year.  Even the homeless, drug users and in general "shady characters" in this area have had no little to no effect on these palms.  A true most have for Trachycarpus afficianados everywhere.

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On 2/5/2023 at 6:13 PM, Chester B said:

A Trachycarpus fortunei is a fortunei, all these names are just marketing gimmicks.  It's total garbage I wish people would stop.

 

I have a bunch of Trachycarpus fortunei "Beaverton" if anyone is interested. 

I'd like to add Trachycarpus "carwashii" and "mexican restaurantonia" to the catalog. 

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On 2/8/2023 at 4:29 PM, Jesse PNW said:

I'd like to add Trachycarpus "carwashii" and "mexican restaurantonia" to the catalog. 

Awesome !!! 🤣

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