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King Palm trees just planted. Advice please


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I have a triple king palm and a double king palm planted about 3 feet apart. Is this an issue? The guy that planted them says it isn't. They are around 6 feet tall right now. I can't find any info online regarding this. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

 
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Meg

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Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
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Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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15 hours ago, Steele2003 said:

I have a triple king palm and a double king palm planted about 3 feet apart. Is this an issue? The guy that planted them says it isn't. They are around 6 feet tall right now. I can't find any info online regarding this. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

Imagine how your palms will look when they are much larger.  If you like that look, then you are fine!  Given adequate water and fertilizer, closely spaced king palms will thrive.  I agree with PalmatierMeg.  Please post photos, so the experts here can provide the best guidance how to keep your king palms healthy.

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15 hours ago, Steele2003 said:

I have a triple king palm and a double king palm planted about 3 feet apart. Is this an issue? The guy that planted them says it isn't. They are around 6 feet tall right now. I can't find any info online regarding this. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

 

King palm trunks aren't particularly big but it depends what direction they are growing in. The only issue I can think of is if they end up growing towards each other but other than that they should be fine. I'm guessing even if they are angled slightly they will just end grow vertically and avoid each other.

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What species are they? I have all of them and while some stay fairly gracile (alexandrae, myolensis) others (some cunninghamiana, tuckeri) can get very large trunks - 12” to 14” diameter. My Archonotophoenix are solitary as nature intended so maybe your trios and duos will stunt one another’s growth so crowding won’t be an issue. And I agree Archos want to grow straight so may resist growing away from each other in the dramatic, swooping arc you may be seeking.

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Palms of Victory I shall wear

Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise)
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Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal
Elevation: 15 feet

I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade.

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I've posted these photos before, but here are my stats in case it's helpful...

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  • Triple king purchased at a small size 10 years ago (from a big box store).
  • Total width of the base is 22" across (that's an 18" ruler in the photo, and my shoe size is Women's 10)
  • The BASE of the triple king is still far from the glass fence, but one of the TRUNKS is getting close to the glass fence (looks like we'll be ok, but makes me a little nervous).
  • As the three palms grew, they started pushing each other out, so make sure you have room for the trunks to spread like is shown in the photo.
  • The three palms don't seem to be competing for nutrients as far as I can tell, but I do give them plenty of water & occasional palm fertilizer.
  • If you can post a photo of your planting that would help a lot in judging whether the planting is going to work from a spacing perspective. But king palms are often planted in groups so I wouldn't be too concerned about nutrient competition (as long as you give them plenty of water, and occasional palm fertilizer).

Hope that helps!

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I have over 50 in my landscape and only a few are solitary. In their natural habitat, they are often found in dense groves, often with trunks touching each other. The rest of mine are in fairly tight groves. There are no issues with planting them close together. Just remember that they are a semi-aquatic species and need lots of water year round. You can’t over-water them. What growing zone are you in may I ask? 

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@Jim in Los AltosThose king palms look really nice clustered together. I might plant plant a few groups of them here after seeing how nice they look like that, you can never had enough archontophoenix!

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22 hours ago, Steele2003 said:

I have a triple king palm and a double king palm planted about 3 feet apart. Is this an issue? The guy that planted them says it isn't. They are around 6 feet tall right now. I can't find any info online regarding this. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

 

 

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8 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

Photos?

I can take more photos if that would help. Took me a minute to figure out how to upload pic. Thanks to all giving advice. You can't tell from this pic but the one to the left is a double and the one to the right is a triple.

 

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5 hours ago, PalmatierMeg said:

What species are they? I have all of them and while some stay fairly gracile (alexandrae, myolensis) others (some cunninghamiana, tuckeri) can get very large trunks - 12” to 14” diameter. My Archonotophoenix are solitary as nature intended so maybe your trios and duos will stunt one another’s growth so crowding won’t be an issue. And I agree Archos want to grow straight so may resist growing away from each other in the dramatic, swooping arc you may be seeking.

Hope you can tell by the picture. I was just told they are king palms

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4 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

 

 

I have over 50 in my landscape and only a few are solitary. In their natural habitat, they are often found in dense groves, often with trunks touching each other. The rest of mine are in fairly tight groves. There are no issues with planting them close together. Just remember that they are a semi-aquatic species and need lots of water year round. You can’t over-water them. What growing zone are you in may I ask? 

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10a in Tustin, CA.

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3 hours ago, Steele2003 said:

10a in Tustin, CA.

Great climate there! Just keep those King palms well watered and they will reward you with lush growth. 

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15 minutes ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Great climate there! Just keep those King palms well watered and they will reward you with lush growth. 

Thx, not too close together

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From a health perspective they’ll be fine (assuming they’re well watered).

From a cosmetic perspective, I’m not sure 🤔

  • Multi trunk king palm plantings look nice since the trunks bow away from each other.
     
  • Single trunk king palms planted closely (like @Jim in Los Altosdoes) also look amazing, and their straighter trunks eliminate the “bowing” factor, allowing for super close placements (even to structures).

I’ve never personally seen two multi trunk plantings put in close proximity, so I’m not sure how the trunks in that setup would look later. Would the trunks criss-cross? Bow away from each other? I’m having a hard time picturing the final effect. Could result in an awesome “jungle” look, but I’d personally be inclined to move one of the groupings (only due to lack of ability to picture the final effect).

* That said, if Jim says your multi plantings will look great as-is, I’d say leave ‘em (he’s worked with them for more years than I have, and does beautiful landscape work).

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13 hours ago, iDesign said:

From a health perspective they’ll be fine (assuming they’re well watered).

From a cosmetic perspective, I’m not sure 🤔

  • Multi trunk king palm plantings look nice since the trunks bow away from each other.
     
  • Single trunk king palms planted closely (like @Jim in Los Altosdoes) also look amazing, and their straighter trunks eliminate the “bowing” factor, allowing for super close placements (even to structures).

I’ve never personally seen two multi trunk plantings put in close proximity, so I’m not sure how the trunks in that setup would look later. Would the trunks criss-cross? Bow away from each other? I’m having a hard time picturing the final effect. Could result in an awesome “jungle” look, but I’d personally be inclined to move one of the groupings (only due to lack of ability to picture the final effect).

* That said, if Jim says your multi plantings will look great as-is, I’d say leave ‘em (he’s worked with them for more years than I have, and does beautiful landscape work).

I have all the same questions.  I can't really find images of 2 multiples planted so close together.  Looking at the width of the base of your triple concerns me that the base of my 2 (double and triple) will sort of grow together or push on each other.  Jim sort of addressed it but I'm not sure if he has seen the pic.  Hopefully he'll chime in again

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14 hours ago, Steele2003 said:

Thx, not too close together

 

14 hours ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Great climate there! Just keep those King palms well watered and they will reward you with lush growth. 

I have all the same questions.  I can't really find images of 2 multiples planted so close together.  Looking at the width of the base of your triple concerns me that the base of my 2 (double and triple) will sort of grow together or push on each other.  Jim sort of addressed it but I'm not sure if he has seen the pic.  Hopefully he'll chime in again

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7 hours ago, Steele2003 said:

 

I have all the same questions.  I can't really find images of 2 multiples planted so close together.  Looking at the width of the base of your triple concerns me that the base of my 2 (double and triple) will sort of grow together or push on each other.  Jim sort of addressed it but I'm not sure if he has seen the pic.  Hopefully he'll chime in again

Yours will be fine. Lots of mine are growing in tight multiples happily. 
 

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1 hour ago, Jim in Los Altos said:

Yours will be fine. Lots of mine are growing in tight multiples happily. 
 

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Thanks for the pics and input.

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28 minutes ago, Steele2003 said:

Thanks for the pics and input.

What @Jim in Los Altos said! 
 

Give them LOTS of water, err on the side of flooding if you can. They are worth it.

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So @Steele2003 nice to meet you! Where’s your garden? Knowing that will help us help you.

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10 minutes ago, Steele2003 said:

Front yard planter...Tustin,  cA.

Ah!

Right down the road from me, I'm in La Habra. If you're interested in a garden tour, I'm usually up for one with a bit of notice, like a day or so. I've got half an acre, been here for 20 years. Let me know. The palms in the picture I posted are in my garden, along with lots of others.

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On 1/17/2023 at 3:16 PM, Steele2003 said:

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You’ll end up with clusters much like @Jim in Los Altos’s specimens, except with a bit more height variation.

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Kings are beautiful!

But don’t be afraid to try others!

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On 1/16/2023 at 4:45 PM, Steele2003 said:

I have a triple king palm and a double king palm planted about 3 feet apart. Is this an issue? The guy that planted them says it isn't. They are around 6 feet tall right now. I can't find any info online regarding this. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you in advance.

 

Wanted to give you all an idea where I planted. Not a huge space. Thank you all again for the help. I think I'll leave it as is.

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On 1/18/2023 at 7:16 AM, Steele2003 said:

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They look fine and if it was me, I’d find half a dozen more to cram in there. I love the jungle look and Archontophoenix love being in a jungle. As Jim and others have said these guys can’t be overwatered and they love fertiliser in the warm season. Archontophoenix will head for the light and will eventually find there way too it. They will eventually arch away from each other.

I had some community pots of Bangalow palms that I never got around to separating and they just got too big to separate. In the ground they went as they were. Now one pot had 14 individuals. I reckon a few may sacrifice themselves for the stronger ones but I reckon most will kick on and do wel. I wouldn’t recommend that approach to paying landscape customers but as I had heaps I thought I’d give it a try in the name of science. 

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5 hours ago, Steele2003 said:

Wanted to give you all an idea where I planted. Not a huge space. Thank you all again for the help. I think I'll leave it as is.

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Come visit and check out other possibilities. Bring a friend, or even an enemy if they like palms.

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