Jade vine (Strongylodon macrobotrys)in pots?

[Plant-a-holic]

I was wondering if it was possible for a  Jade vine (Strongylodon macrobotrys) to grow/thrive in a large pot and outside in the garden and 10A zone in Florida? I wanted to set up a arch with cattle panels and grow it over that having a large pot on either side and then the vines could grow through. And flowers hang down through it.

I don’t have a lot of sun so one of the areas though is over the drainfield for septic and since we just had it redone a couple years ago they warned me not to plant anything deep there. ( Original thoughts were a bromeliad garden there instead…)
I was thinking maybe vines in pots going over that area might be safer? Then as I was researching I saw in an gardening book , ( from a horticulturist from a famous botanical garden in Florida) that it was not recommended to grow this particular vine in pots as they would NOT thrive?!

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions Would greatly be appreciated! Thanks in advance…

 

[Silas_Sancona]

2 hours ago, Plant-a-holic said:

I was wondering if it was possible for a  Jade vine (Strongylodon macrobotrys) to grow/thrive in a large pot and outside in the garden and 10A zone in Florida? I wanted to set up a arch with cattle panels and grow it over that having a large pot on either side and then the vines could grow through. And flowers hang down through it.

I don’t have a lot of sun so one of the areas though is over the drainfield for septic and since we just had it redone a couple years ago they warned me not to plant anything deep there. ( Original thoughts were a bromeliad garden there instead…)
I was thinking maybe vines in pots going over that area might be safer? Then as I was researching I saw in an gardening book , ( from a horticulturist from a famous botanical garden in Florida) that it was not recommended to grow this particular vine in pots as they would NOT thrive?!

Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions Would greatly be appreciated! Thanks in advance…

 

That one is tricky... Have heard of it surviving in pots, BIG pots, but, because it gets quite large, it really wants to be in the ground so it will have plenty of room to stretch out..  Have  heard, -repeatedly-, that ..Like Nong Nooch Vine, ( Petreaeovitex ) Blue Jade Vine hates any cold exposure, ...but have also heard that it may survive being burnt back, or return from the roots ( if they're not damaged ) after being cut close to the ground by an occasional brief freeze ( hour or two of temps right around freezing, ..Not a hard freeze, >< anything below about 28F ).. 

There are people growing them successfully in the ground ( and getting seed on theirs ) there in FL. so it can be done.   Can take 2-3 years to start flowering after being planted.  I myself might risk trying it.. knowing it might be a pricey risk though.


Other showy vine options that will do fine in say 24-40gal equivalent- sized pots, and are tougher:  Rangoon Creeper,  Flame Vine ( Pyrostegia venusta ), Queen's Wreath ( Petrea volubilis ) Grew and flowered the last two in 5-10gal equiv.- sized containers w/out issue.  

Beaumontia ( B. grandiflora is the most common / easiest to find ), Frangipani Vine ( Chonemorpha ), and Chalice Vine ( Solandra maxima ) also do well in containers. All 3 flowered regularly for me in 7gals for years ( ...but would have looked better/ flowered much more in bigger pots ).

Whatever you decide, put screens over the drain holes of the pots, and raise them off the ground a few inches to keep roots from rooting into the ground below them.

[Plant-a-holic]

Thanks for that information!!
What about these varieties  for containers and growing over the trellis/pergola thingy:

Thunbergia mysorensis, Indian clock vine OR

Hawaiian Sunset Vine (Stictocardia beraviensis. OR 

New Guinea Trumpet Vine (Tecomanthe dendrophila)   OR

Red Passion vine??

thanks again!!!

 

[Silas_Sancona]

1 minute ago, Plant-a-holic said:

Thanks for that information!!
What about these varieties  for containers and growing over the trellis/pergola thingy:

Thunbergia mysorensis, Indian clock vine OR

Hawaiian Sunset Vine (Stictocardia beraviensis. OR 

New Guinea Trumpet Vine (Tecomanthe dendrophila)   OR

Red Passion vine??

thanks again!!!

 

Clock Vine is awesome.. and hardier than some people assume.. Tidbit about the plant from San Marcos Growers ..More relevant for CA. growers, but great info. for growing it elsewhere:
https://www.smgrowers.com/products/plants/plantdisplay.asp?plant_id=1551

Not sure how much sun they will tolerate though. Do have to be sure you're getting the real deal though since there is another sp. that is called " Clock Vine " but produces flowers that aren't as showy.

Strictocardia is nice, but have heard the flowers stink. Owner of a nursery in Sarasota had a " colorful " name for it, haha.

Jury is out on Tecomanthe ...I tried it when i lived in Clearwater ( in a pot ) and it pouted until it gave up.. Honestly, It's demise was probably my fault vs. something with the plant itself.   That said, i can't remember seeing any other specimens around  ..Doesn't mean there aren't any growing well there in FL. though.

Personal favorite, bold Passiflora is X Purple Tiger..  Brought one w/ me when i moved to Bradenton ( from CA. ) and let it sprawl across part of the chain link fence at that house.. Rooted itself into the ground, and really took off.Covered a large chunk of that part of the fence in less than a year.  No issues w/ any cold i saw where i was at, and flowered like crazy ( mine always seemed to flower more in the Fall )  Big leaves, Big ( and fairly fragrant ) wild colored flowers, and they will produce huge, edible fruit ( mine tried to ...but fruit would never fully develop, for whatever reason )

[Plant-a-holic]

Thanks .. I’ll look that info up on the link! Actually,  I already have all those vines… got them last year or so , in “preparation “ for the trellises idea… when we saw them we grabbed them in case we could not finder later…we did a test run last  year with the trellis with a purple Passionfruit & giant Passionfruit plants… they did great!! Thickly covering it all… but have only got a few fruits!? Don’t know why? I was told by some not necessary to fertilize again( only had when planted).. also was told sometimes it takes a couple or few years to produce fruits??

[Silas_Sancona]

26 minutes ago, Plant-a-holic said:

Thanks .. I’ll look that info up on the link! Actually,  I already have all those vines… got them last year or so , in “preparation “ for the trellises idea… when we saw them we grabbed them in case we could not finder later…we did a test run last  year with the trellis with a purple Passionfruit & giant Passionfruit plants… they did great!! Thickly covering it all… but have only got a few fruits!? Don’t know why? I was told by some not necessary to fertilize again( only had when planted).. also was told sometimes it takes a couple or few years to produce fruits??

Yes, Like other fruit producing things, some Passiflora   that produce fruit can take a year or two after planting to build up enough root mass / energy to start producing ..more than just a few here or there anyway..  Grandparents had regular old P. edulis  growing on a fence ( in California ) for years.. Produced more fruit than anyone could consume. Planted seed from their plant somewhere else, and was producing about as heavily after year 2 in the ground. 

As far as fertilizing?,  Like most things, Passiflora  do appreciate 3X per year feedings. Is true though you don't want to shove lots of fertilizer on -anything- right after planting ( and providing a snack it when you plant it )  Keep in mind,  the more you feed them with something that contains a lot of Nitrogen ( Say over 10-12 or 15% ), you'll get tons of growth / tender / lush foliage, but less flower ...and /or fruit production, more often than not anyway. 

Ideally, for the 2nd and 3rd feedings,  you'd want to up the K ( Potassium ) for flower and fruit production. Extra K in the fall may help plants weather cold in the winter better also.   Langbeinite, Greensand, and/or a product like SulPoMag will fit the bill for this purpose, are pretty gentle, and are slow release, which is ideal, especially there where your sandy soil allows nutrients to pass through fairly quickly after applying...  A fertilizer ratio similar to the following is good for pretty much everything:  8N - 5P ( Plenty of Phosphorus in the soil in most areas of FL., no need to regularly add much -if any- more, despite what fertilizer companies might try to tell people ) - 10-20K,  ...Plus minors like Calcium ( Plenty of it in the soil there as well, in most areas anyway ), Magnesium, Sulfur, Manganese, Iron, etc.

[Plant-a-holic]

Great to know!! Thanks again !! I sincerely appreciate all your help !!👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🥰

[Plant-a-holic]

So the Langbeinite and SulPoMag can be used together??

 

[metalfan]

I grew it successfully in my greenhouse for almost 10 years in the ground. Then I had a heater failure on a 20F night (actually a string of 10 nights) and it froze. I have another one now that I have in a 7 gal container. It is probably 2-3 years from flowering. This is my old one I even got seeds.

[Silas_Sancona]

9 minutes ago, Plant-a-holic said:

So the Langbeinite and SulPoMag can be used together??

 

Langbeinite contains the other two elements ( Sulfur and Magnesium ) so it would be fine on it's own..  Some brands list their products as just " SulPoMag ".. and may or may not use Langbeinite or other natural source of K as the Potassium end of their product.

[Plant-a-holic]

Thanks to all for your great advice, info and inspiration!