I was watering an orchid adjacent to it and this palm once again caught my eye for a moment.  I bought it as a 1 gallon Coccothrinax barbadensis.  I'm not so sure that id is correct, but until it gets bigger I'm referring to it as such.  I'll update the name when I get a more accurate id.  Why did ti catch my eye?  The contrasting white abaxial leaf color, the deeply split leaves and its colorful yellow hastula.  Need I say more?

This particular palm is larger than the others in the yard and about to bloom when they are not.  I always notice it over the others in a cluster opposite the driveway.

2 hours ago, flplantguy said:

This particular palm is larger than the others in the yard and about to bloom when they are not.  I always notice it over the others in a cluster opposite the driveway.

Species id help?

Sabals in Florida tend towards hybrids because of their ubiquitous nature. However, the fact that it is larger leads to two specific suspects.
 

Sabal causiarum or the Puerto Rican Hat is one suspect. While far larger than the standard ubiquitous Sabal, they tend to loose their boots even at the juvenile stage of the pictured palm. I have seen Puerto Rican Hat palms next to Royals with similar size and clean trunk. They are magnificent Sabals and a personal favorite.

I believe the most likely suspect is Sabal domingensis, a Sabal from the DR that is also substantially larger than the ubiquitous Sabal in Florida. Juveniles, like the specimen pictured, retain their boots longer and have a similar brawny appearance compared to the standard Florida Sabal.

 

 

 

54 minutes ago, bubba said:

Sabals in Florida tend towards hybrids because of their ubiquitous nature. However, the fact that it is larger leads to two specific suspects.
 

Sabal causiarum or the Puerto Rican Hat is one suspect. While far larger than the standard ubiquitous Sabal, they tend to loose their boots even at the juvenile stage of the pictured palm. I have seen Puerto Rican Hat palms next to Royals with similar size and clean trunk. They are magnificent Sabals and a personal favorite.

I believe the most likely suspect is Sabal domingensis, a Sabal from the DR that is also substantially larger than the ubiquitous Sabal in Florida. Juveniles, like the specimen pictured, retain their boots longer and have a similar brawny appearance compared to the standard Florida Sabal.

 

 

 

I was wondering about that.  The area is one that i would be surprised to see genetics from other palms not native, but this info and the variable nature of all the individuals present makes me second guess that assumption.  In any case im going to try to collect what seed i can.  it was covered in vines until last fall so it may not even have the full crown yet either.  I need a wind and sun block to the northwest and this sturdy type of palm is perfect.

Where are you located? That Sabal dom. may be a real prize and exquisite big Sabal, that will stand out! Congratulations!

Additional MacArthurs:

1 hour ago, bubba said:

Where are you located? That Sabal dom. may be a real prize and exquisite big Sabal, that will stand out! Congratulations!

Im in hudson (northwest pasco county near the water) in an area that until recently was pretty much ignored. The socioeconomics are very disadvantaged and this has always been a vacant lot, so gardening is a low priority. However that doesnt mean that some pollen didnt travel.  How far could a pollenator carry some? Within a mile would be many possibilities if someone has one that crossbred with it.

Sabal dom’s are from the DR and do not just spring up. There must be a story behind this Palm showing up in Hudson.

Perhaps someone from the DR brought a few in and they are proliferating to some degree in your area. This Palm would not simply spring from between several native Florida Sabals. I would suggest that you look around for others.

1 hour ago, bubba said:

Sabal dom’s are from the DR and do not just spring up. There must be a story behind this Palm showing up in Hudson.

Perhaps someone from the DR brought a few in and they are proliferating to some degree in your area. This Palm would not simply spring from between several native Florida Sabals. I would suggest that you look around for others.

Another thought is the location and history would lend weight to the idea of it being a seed from a garden in tampa dumped when a "contractor" decided to use the parcel as his personal dump.  Many people live here and drive south to work so may have had landscape refuse dumped there.  I have found quite a bit of trash from a while back and it would take moments to stop and drop stuff onto the sand there (19 is close enough past a storage unit that i could possibly throw a rock and hit a car on the road). Its raised as well in that spot there so im thinking a possible seed dumped in lawn trimmings. It has a ton of seedlings just germinated underneath too i will be transplanting this weekend.

You should carry a machete when those bad boys try dumping in your hood! Talking about bad, what is going on here:

My young A Purpurea in the front putting out some good new growth heading into its first in ground winter with a nice view other palms in garden. 

My Marojejya darianii lost in the back of shade house.

 

This sabal that is regrowing after being massacred by the landscapers responsible for eliminating plants around the power plant that are growing in unwanted spaces....

Nice full CIDP crown in the yard beyond the "submarine" house.

Dark color on the rachis of this Chambeyronia hookeri…..one of my favorite species.

A bangle of Carpentaria acuminata:

Other than the coco, I don’t want to butcher the plant IDs. Saw these on Anna Maria Island in FL. 

Trachycarpus princeps in 6pm low angle sunlight 

Drinkin coffee while scoping out the backyard. Noticed my Ficus Dammaropsis is shooting out new growth at every possible location after I cut back some hefty branches a few months ago. Also the leaves are getting substantially bigger and bigger.  Super happy where it’s at. 
 

-dale 

Chamaedorea Costricana

Not really sure what I’ve been calling Dypsis lafazamanga is correct but, I’m assuming it’s a Chrysalidocarpus now. 

Tim

That is absolutely stunning but very different than what I’m growing as Lafazamanga from Floribunda. In any case, it’s gorgeous. 

Those Dammaropsis are flippin monsterous!

4 hours ago, bubba said:

Those Dammaropsis are flippin monsterous!

Totally. It started out as a stick ‘bout the size of a broomstick 2yrs ago. Easily the fastest grow in my garden. West facing blazing sun and average water. 
 

-dale 

Chambeyronia divaricarta. 

On 5/26/2023 at 7:40 AM, flplantguy said:

In any case im going to try to collect what seed i can.

Seed size and shape are good indicators of Sabal species.  Sabal causiarum seeds are 5.9 to 7.8 mm in diameter compared to Sabal domingensis seeds which are 8.0 to 10.4 mm according to Palmpedia.  The typical Florida Sabal palmetto seeds are slightly smaller than causiarum.

Dypsis(Chrysalidocarpus) caniculata on the left and Dypsis (Chrysalidocarpus) ovobontsira on the right

 

6 hours ago, ellidro said:

Dypsis(Chrysalidocarpus) caniculata on the left and Dypsis (Chrysalidocarpus) ovobontsira on the right

 

That Chrysalidocarpus caniculatus is getting close to the trunking stage.  Well done with both of these challenging palms in our climate.  Iam guessingon the correct name,  switching the suffix to the same male as we did with others when going from female Dypsis to male Chrysalidocarpus.   Hooray, we saw sun two days in a row this afternoon.   Perhaps there is a summer coming. 

Three little coconuts … 🥰 … and three Miniature Coconut Palms:

Reproductive push on one of my two Chrysalidocarpus prestonianus.  I thought I had one enormous inflorescence going, but just noticed there is a second one pushing now!  Do you think it will push out enough flowers?

15 minutes ago, Tracy said:

Reproductive push on one of my two Chrysalidocarpus prestonianus. 

Was a treat to catch up with you and see it in person yesterday, Tracy. Still the photos don't quite do it justice...that thing is massive! 

Bentinckia condapanna (ignore the mess around it). 

P Sylvestris seedling (thats what its supposed to be), or is it a seedling at this point? When does it cross that line? 

Anyways, this was one of the first ever pinnate palms ive ever germinated before, and its doing amazing. Its growing faster than the other seedlings, which are all still strap leaf. This one though, already getting those partially pinnate fronds. This photo was taken about a week ago. The palm was germinated in early 2021 iirc. 

Itll be interesting to watch this thing as it gets bigger, because im sure this isnt a pure sylvestris, its bound to be a hybrid of some sort. It should be ready for the ground by next year!

6 hours ago, Matt in OC said:

Bentinckia condapanna (ignore the mess around it). 

Beautiful!! Wish we could grow it in South Florida. Seems to melt in our summer heat and lack of any significant daytime/nighttime temp gap.

Clinostigma savoryanum, one of the most elegant palms in the garden. 

Tim

Archontophoenix purpurea.