Big CIDP's next to swimming pools, yes or no? (UK edition)

[UK_Palms]

Apparently this has developed into a thing now in the UK. Well southern England anyway... just crazy...

Ashley Road, Ryde

 

New Esplanade Court, Paignton

 

The White House / Cary Court, Torquay

 

The Earls Court pool CIDP is about 15-20 foot now, but it is dwarfed by the 30 foot Robusta. That CIDP will start putting on 3 foot of growth per year now though at that size, like the others. 

 

Splashdown Quaywest waterpark in Paignton has a lot of CIDP's growing there, which will be as big as some of the others I have posted in another decade or so...

 

North Ford Road, Dartmouth

 

Anyone got any photos of big CIDP's towering over pools? These UK ones are a work in progress still obviously. I know a lot of people are against the idea of growing CIDP's next to pools and having them tower over eventually like the ones in the first picture I posted. I know some people feel the same with Washies and many other big/tall palms. Personally, I love the look of it. 

 

Edited May 13, 2022 by UK_Palms

[DreaminAboutPalms]

I think it would be weird to be at a pool in summer and not be surrounded by any sort of palms or exotics.

Love seeing all the CIDP all over England 

[mxcolin]

An open air swimming pool in the UK   

I guess if that's your thing, but man, that's someone who REALLY wants to swim outside!!!

Brrrrrrrrr

Edited May 31, 2022 by mxcolin

[PalmTreeDude]

It looks pretty good, I think it’s fine as long as they’re properly trimmed in a setting like that with so many people running around. I am wondering, how is swimming in the UK? It's too cold for me if it’s in the 70s (21-26°C), I like swimming in the 80s or higher! 

[mxcolin]

Yes, it's not going to be pleasant, I can tell you from experience. Even the warmest part of the UK sees very little sun and rarely temperatures in the 80's compared with almost every major city in the US. There aren't that many outdoor pools to be fair. Most swimming is done in indoor pools, but there are some outdoors.

Likewise, not for me, 85+ is ideal for swimming in my opinion. Even 80 and windy and it's not great unless the water is warm. Swimming outside on an overcast day at 70 in London, no thanks!!! 

[Foxpalms]

On 5/31/2022 at 9:59 PM, mxcolin said:

Yes, it's not going to be pleasant, I can tell you from experience. Even the warmest part of the UK sees very little sun and rarely temperatures in the 80's compared with almost every major city in the US. There aren't that many outdoor pools to be fair. Most swimming is done in indoor pools, but there are some outdoors.

Likewise, not for me, 85+ is ideal for swimming in my opinion. Even 80 and windy and it's not great unless the water is warm. Swimming outside on an overcast day at 70 in London, no thanks!!! 

With a heater you can easily get the pool temp into the 80s and 90s in July and August ( have even got it up into the 100s once set the heater temperature too high) the summer air temp is  23.8c high with 15c low so if you put a solar cover on at night if it's outside the temperature doesn't drop much. May June and September and early October you could still keep the pool in the 80s with a heater on! 

[Tyrone]

On 6/1/2022 at 2:33 AM, mxcolin said:

An open air swimming pool in the UK   

I guess if that's your thing, but man, that's someone who REALLY wants to swim outside!!!

Brrrrrrrrr

That's what I was thinking. People don't even have swimming pools where I live. 

[Jimhardy]

You know its chilly when the lifeguard has a coat on...... but the palms add a nice effect.

Maybe the pools are heated.

[UK_Palms]

I guarantee a lot of those UK pools will be heated, especially in London. The owners have too much money to throw around. I was at a pool party in south London back in August 2016 during a 30-35C heatwave. Even at night the pool was like bath water due to the solar heating and that was with the heater off. A heated pool in summer isn’t really needed in London, especially in July.

As I type this it is 23C / 75F in London at midday, so hardly cool. Maybe us Brit’s are just far less accustomed to the heat though, so what is ‘hot’ for us may be considered ‘mild’ for others. London back yards certainly trap the heat in summer though so it can be far warmer than the Met stations suggest, which are all located out in the open at parks or airports. A ‘coolish’ pool is still nice during mid-summer here on the hotter days.

[ahosey01]

2 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

I guarantee a lot of those UK pools will be heated, especially in London. The owners have too much money to throw around. I was at a pool party in south London back in August 2016 during a 30-35C heatwave. Even at night the pool was like bath water due to the solar heating and that was with the heater off. A heated pool in summer isn’t really needed in London, especially in July.

As I type this it is 23C / 75F in London at midday, so hardly cool. Maybe us Brit’s are just far less accustomed to the heat though, so what is ‘hot’ for us may be considered ‘mild’ for others. London back yards certainly trap the heat in summer though so it can be far warmer than the Met stations suggest, which are all located out in the open at parks or airports. A ‘coolish’ pool is still nice during mid-summer here on the hotter days.

75F and I generally still have a hoodie on.... Lol

[mxcolin]

Haha, yeah me too. Took a look at the next week in London.

Nope!!! This is June. Swimming pool seems like an incredibly optimistic purchase

You have to remember too that London gets very little sunshine in comparison to almost all of the US, it would be the least sunny major city in the US by a distance.

London - 1,680 hrs/year
Seattle - 2,170 hrs/year
Sacramento - 3,600 hrs/year

Very little sun and cool summer temperatures, but it's super mild for such a northerly location, I don't think you will find many palms in Kamchatka or Calgary at the same latitude 

[ahosey01]

27 minutes ago, mxcolin said:

Haha, yeah me too. Took a look at the next week in London.

Nope!!! This is June. Swimming pool seems like an incredibly optimistic purchase

You have to remember too that London gets very little sunshine in comparison to almost all of the US, it would be the least sunny major city in the US by a distance.

London - 1,680 hrs/year
Seattle - 2,170 hrs/year
Sacramento - 3,600 hrs/year

Very little sun and cool summer temperatures, but it's super mild for such a northerly location, I don't think you will find many palms in Kamchatka or Calgary at the same latitude 

That's colder than my winters.

Here in AZ, the best weather for swimming is above 110F.  Particularly if you're going to the Colorado River or Lake Havasu.  We took the kids on a little mini-vacation last year when it hit 123F in Havasu.  That chilly river water and 0 humidity was very nice.

I'd make a terrible Londoner.

Edited June 3, 2022 by ahosey01

[mxcolin]

Yeah this is like mid to late February for us. Our hot summers kill some of my more tropical palms though. I bought a bunch from San Francisco recently (where you can grow almost anything) and they lasted one summer outside. They just got cooked. Keeping my King Palm alive is a like a full time job in the Summer

 

[Foxpalms]

19 minutes ago, mxcolin said:

Yeah this is like mid to late February for us. Our hot summers kill some of my more tropical palms though. I bought a bunch from San Francisco recently (where you can grow almost anything) and they lasted one summer outside. They just got cooked. Keeping my King Palm alive is a like a full time job in the Summer

 

One good thing with cooler summers though is my king palm (banglow) and  nikaus don't get cooked but it is annoying when coconuts can only really go outside late June to early September weather here is often determined by the wind and the rest of Europe's temperatures cool humid summer days happen when the winds come from Scandinavia and the Atlantic like next week and warm and hot dry air are when the winds are coming from Europe and the the Sahara and the hotter Europe is the hotter London gets Cornwall mostly gets the cooler more humid air from the Atlantic. London's summers are just about warm enough for a pool which is heated but I don't get why there are outdoor pools in cornwall and the south west as the summers are cooler and only about 19-21c in the summer even with a heater you would have to be brave to swim in that!

Edited June 3, 2022 by Foxpalms

[UK_Palms]

Obviously you aren’t going to get hot, dry desert conditions up here at 51N on an island off the Atlantic. All of Europe is less sunny than North America pretty much. That is mostly due to the higher latitude. 

Also, those forecasted temperatures over here somewhat below average. We have a cool front hitting us this evening. Today hasn’t been too bad however. I have reached 24.3C 75F. Temperatures are dropping off now as it has clouded over quite a bit. We have a week of below average temps to come pretty much. It’s not as cold as some of these comments imply.

Edited June 3, 2022 by UK_Palms

[mxcolin]

31 minutes ago, Foxpalms said:

One good thing with cooler summers though is my king palm (banglow) and  nikaus don't get cooked but it is annoying when coconuts can only really go outside late June to early September weather here is often determined by the wind and the rest of Europe's temperatures cool humid summer days happen when the winds come from Scandinavia and the Atlantic like next week and warm and hot dry air are when the winds are coming from Europe and the the Sahara and the hotter Europe is the hotter London gets Cornwall mostly gets the cooler more humid air from the Atlantic. London's summers are just about warm enough for a pool which is heated but I don't get why there are outdoor pools in cornwall and the south west as the summers are cooler and only about 19-21c in the summer even with a heater you would have to be brave to swim in that!

The weather here is excruciatingly predictable. I had my Nikau in the sun for a week in March, looked like someone had taken a flamethrower to it  put it back under the patio and it seems to be fine. I have a Bangalow too. Looks amazing in the "winter", but summer kills it. There's literally no cloud cover for 4 months of the year and during that time it's almost always in the 90's or 100's with no humidity, not exactly the weather it's used to, but I love it so I persevere.

[mxcolin]

36 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

Obviously you aren’t going to get hot, dry desert conditions up here at 51N on an island off the Atlantic. All of Europe is less sunny than North America pretty much. That is mostly due to the higher latitude. 

Also, those forecasted temperatures over here somewhat below average. We have a cool front hitting us this evening. Today hasn’t been too bad however. I have reached 24.3C 75F. Temperatures are dropping off now as it has clouded over quite a bit. We have a week of below average temps to come pretty much. It’s not as cold as some of these comments imply.

I think it all depends on what you're used to and your frame of reference. People where I live find Seattle/Portland to have almost other worldly cold and dreary climates and they are generally just slightly warmer, wetter and sunnier versions of London. While someone from Miami probably finds our 65 degree and sunny "Winter" days to be frigid. I've lived in the UK, Southern California and Northern California. In the UK, London is definitely seen as having "much nicer" weather than the northern parts of the UK, however, the difference between Northern/Southern California weather and London weather, compared to London weather and the Northern UK, is so much greater in comparison to what I'd characterize as nice weather. But that's just me!!!

[Samuel]

Londons climate is ok but not great our summers are just to lousy I mean you have to go back to august 2019 to find a summer month with 200+ hours of sunshine that’s diabolical in my books

[UK_Palms]

37 minutes ago, Samuel said:

Londons climate is ok but not great our summers are just to lousy I mean you have to go back to august 2019 to find a summer month with 200+ hours of sunshine that’s diabolical in my books

Given the latitude and proximity to the Atlantic, London's climate is okay. It's relatively mild and dry with few temperature extremes.

Some parts of southeastern England average about 2,000 hours of sunshine annually, such as Bognor Regis, Selsey, Eastbourne, Hastings, Manston, Shoeburyness, Shanklin, Ventnor etc. I believe the official Met Station at Shoeburyness recorded 2,247 hours of sunshine in 2019. I know Jersey has recorded as much as 2,290 hours before though. Eastbourne has recorded 394 sunshine hours before in July and averages about 260 hours, along with Manston, which is comparable with New York City in July.

We get punished mainly through the lack of sunshine in winter at this northern latitude, thanks to the lengthy, dark, dull winters. Our summers certainly aren't 'dull' and stack up pretty well given the latitude, but the winters are very dull with an obvious lack of sunshine, which brings the overall figure down significantly. The only London stations that I have figures for at hand is Heathrow, and I can see that Heathrow racked up 309 hours of sunshine in May 2020. A whopping 331 hours were recorded at Manston in May 2020. Jersey racked up 360 hours. That is almost a summer month pretty much. Last summer was a freak bad one however. 

Edited June 4, 2022 by UK_Palms

[mxcolin]

Obviously there are differences year on year but the most I can see with a quick search is around 220 average hours in July. Considering how much possible sunshine there is that far north that’s pretty dull. 45% apparently. There are much sunnier cities in summer at similar latitudes in Europe, Asia and North America. Don’t get me wrong the summers here are brutal. I’d definitely swap . 40 degrees Celsius, zero rain and 98% sunshine sounds great until you have to live in it. So I’ll take your London summer and keep the other 9 months here. 

[Samuel]

1 hour ago, UK_Palms said:

Given the latitude and proximity to the Atlantic, London's climate is okay. It's relatively mild and dry with few temperature extremes.

Some parts of southeastern England average about 2,000 hours of sunshine annually, such as Bognor Regis, Selsey, Eastbourne, Hastings, Manston, Shoeburyness, Shanklin, Ventnor etc. I believe the official Met Station at Shoeburyness recorded 2,247 hours of sunshine in 2019. I know Jersey has recorded as much as 2,290 hours before though. Eastbourne has recorded 394 sunshine hours before in July and averages about 260 hours, along with Manston, which is comparable with New York City in July.

We get punished mainly through the lack of sunshine in winter at this northern latitude, thanks to the lengthy, dark, dull winters. Our summers certainly aren't 'dull' and stack up pretty well given the latitude, but the winters are very dull with an obvious lack of sunshine, which brings the overall figure down significantly. The only London stations that I have figures for at hand is Heathrow, and I can see that Heathrow racked up 309 hours of sunshine in May 2020. A whopping 331 hours were recorded at Manston in May 2020. Jersey racked up 360 hours. That is almost a summer month pretty much. Last summer was a freak bad one however. 

Yes a few isolated spots do ok for yearly sunshine but are in the minority the majority of England including London lacks sunshine all year round not just winter the majority of summers have more cloudy or partly cloudy days then clear ones London hasn’t seen a summer month with 200 hours of sunshine since august 2019 that is ridiculous given how much daylight we have at this time of year