MonkeDonkezz Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Hello PalmTalk! There is going to be a short introduction first. My name is Yahor though I prefer you call me by my username and I am from Staten Island, a borough of NYC. I don't feel comfy telling people my age, but I am 12-16 years old. I first got my interest in palms when visiting Jacksonville Florida last year. I want to start growing them. So the reason I am making this post is something that has caught my eye for a while. According to Wikipedia, on the page about NYC's climate, the climate data graphs and classifications section show that areas of NYC might be in zone 8a. LaGuardia has 11 F (-12 C) as the minimum for January. Belvedere Castle in Central Park has 9.8 F (-12.3 C) as the minimum. JFK has 10 F (-12) as the minimum. Sorry if the pictures look bad I find the emotes on the forum funny 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeDonkezz Posted January 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Sorry If I posted this in the wrong forum! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted January 5, 2022 Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Welcome to Palmtalk! Probably better suited for the "Weather" forum but no problem. If I'm not mistaken the cold hardiness zones are calculated from the average yearly minimum temperatures over the last 30 years for a given area and I don't see this data in the charts you displayed. So you'd have to find the average of the lowest temperature from 1992, 1993, ... 2020, 2021. Then the actual zone would be based on a range of temperatures set by the USDA. According to the latest map that I've seen Long Island and parts of NYC are zone 7a. Possibly some unique microclimates could be 7b but I seriously doubt zone 8. These zones are just general guidelines for planting anyway and don't guarantee success for growing palms as there's lost of factors involved such as duration of freezes, number of freeze events, precipitation, etc. 3 Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeDonkezz Posted January 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeDonkezz Posted January 5, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2022 I used this map to define zones of the nyc metro and it showed that zone 7b covered most of the city, with the exceptions of parts of Staten Island and The Bronx, though this is using the 2012 USDA map 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeonardHolmes Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 I think you have discovered a jumbo microclimate. It's probably the urban heat island effect. Great post! Welcome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Another thing to consider is, look at the avg daily mean for JFK for January. Its barely (32.8) above freezing, in a below avg temp year the avg temp would be well below freezing and duration of cold presents problems as well as ultimate lows.... still putting some palms in the ground and not needing to cover them to often with to heavy of protection would make for a fun hobby there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teegurr Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Laguardia is not 8a according to the graph. It's 8a for January, but the average YEARLY minimum is 9f, which is a warm 7b. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJ NJ Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 Who cares about how cold it has been in the past 30 years 30 years is too long in my opinion! And I consider my area to be Zone 8a! 1 An Autistic 17 year old who has an obsession with Palms! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanK Posted January 20, 2022 Report Share Posted January 20, 2022 Your best bet is Trachycarpus fortunei. It is cold tolerant to 5 degrees F and temperate in its growth requirements. Unlike a Sabal, it won't need 8 months of tropical heat to grow. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeDonkezz Posted January 24, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Thank you all for replying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 Welcome to PalmTalk ! If youre going to be a zone pusher like the rest of us... this is the place to be ! Enjoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Las Palmas Norte Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 6:36 AM, EJ NJ said: Who cares about how cold it has been in the past 30 years 30 years is too long in my opinion! And I consider my area to be Zone 8a! LMAO ! Frozen dead palms don't care. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimhardy Posted January 24, 2022 Report Share Posted January 24, 2022 It stays above freezing in my refrigerator and although I am not sure what zone that would be I am thinking of growing some palms in there I just need to find a light that stays on when the door is closed.....on another note. I went through the same thing when I was that age, went to Florida, Alabama etc and came back with an Y. Aloifolia and tried to grow it in StL Mo....that was 40+ years ago..... I also started growing palms and banana plants-then I went to Arizona and got into cactus... and then....I discovered plants from Madagascar and Southeast Africa that look like a combo of cactus and palms....at your age the world(until it ends) is your oyster so I say go for it and enjoy the journey! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MonkeDonkezz Posted January 25, 2022 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 Yeah, I'm gonna start growing yuccas first then move on to growing palms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 2:53 PM, Las Palmas Norte said: LMAO ! Frozen dead palms don't care. Yea, what's data anyways 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted January 25, 2022 Report Share Posted January 25, 2022 On 1/20/2022 at 9:36 AM, EJ NJ said: Who cares about how cold it has been in the past 30 years 30 years is too long in my opinion! And I consider my area to be Zone 8a! I like your optimism but you have to remember that if you take a small enough sample size you can manipulate data however you want. Hell if I picked one isolated week in the middle of the winter to base my planting on I might be Zone 11 or 12. 30 years worth of climate data is a large enough sample set to provide, with reasonable confidence, reliable temperature data to use when selecting plants for your garden. Take the last 4 winters in Myrtle Beach for example, two 9b winters sandwiched in between pretty solid 8b winters with ice events. Just food for thought... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad NYC Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 I actually live near JFK, so I'm definitely living in a solid 7B zone! But according to the old 1990 USDA Hardiness Zone Map, thirty two years ago, my area was Zone 7A. Oh well, I hope I do live long enough to see 8A though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomad NYC Posted April 1, 2022 Report Share Posted April 1, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 8:58 PM, MonkeDonkezz said: I used this map to define zones of the nyc metro and it showed that zone 7b covered most of the city, with the exceptions of parts of Staten Island and The Bronx, though this is using the 2012 USDA map Yes, can easily see the NYC Metro region becoming an 8A / 8B zone in a couple of decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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