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Washingtonia Filibusta/Filifera? Fayetteville north caroline


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@ZPalms do you have pics of other palms around Fayetteville?  I think there are a coueother members near Fayetteville right? I know knikfar is up near Raleigh. 

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On 10/27/2022 at 9:01 PM, Jesse PNW said:

@ZPalms do you have pics of other palms around Fayetteville?  I think there are a coueother members near Fayetteville right? I know knikfar is up near Raleigh. 

Sorry it took me a moment to get these together, been a little fatigued.

I've posted most of these to palmtalk here and there but sporadically across different post so here they are compiled

I took a couple of these pictures and went on google for the ones I didnt have and I'm sure their are more in town that I remember but not accessible with google maps for clear photo but the the "common palms" I see but not widely planted are chamaerops, butia, trachys and sabals.

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If they're able to grow Jubaea, Phoenix, and Sabal there, I think your Washingtonia are a pretty safe bet.

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46 minutes ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

If they're able to grow Jubaea, Phoenix, and Sabal there, I think your Washingtonia are a pretty safe bet.

I have no idea about Jubaea or phoenix, my hybrid which was JXB died to humidity sadly I didn't know if their are others in the state?

 

35 minutes ago, Jesse PNW said:

Great finds @ZPalms.  Where is the Phoenix canariensis being grown?  

It's awesome how hardy Palmetto can be. 

The Phoenix is being grown at that landscaping place with all the plamettos

I'm guessing the rocks and gravel and road is creating a nice microclimate, It's grown a lot since I last took a photo of it and would love to go take a new photo of it. It was the first time I've ever seen a phoenix type palm in person and the spines are no joke. I was looking for them and couldnt find them but I ran my hand along the frond and it got me and I felt it for a couple hours after 😂

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21 hours ago, ZPalms said:

I have no idea about Jubaea or phoenix, my hybrid which was JXB died to humidity sadly I didn't know if their are others in the state?

 

The Phoenix is being grown at that landscaping place with all the plamettos

I'm guessing the rocks and gravel and road is creating a nice microclimate, It's grown a lot since I last took a photo of it and would love to go take a new photo of it. It was the first time I've ever seen a phoenix type palm in person and the spines are no joke. I was looking for them and couldnt find them but I ran my hand along the frond and it got me and I felt it for a couple hours after 😂

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I have a B x J in my yard. I just planted it this past spring and it's put on a good amount of growth. Keeping my fingers crossed that I'll be able to keep it alive for a long time. 

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3 hours ago, knikfar said:

I have a B x J in my yard. I just planted it this past spring and it's put on a good amount of growth. Keeping my fingers crossed that I'll be able to keep it alive for a long time. 

I think BXJ is better suited for our climate than JXB

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My tiny Fayetteville Washingtonia lost in the snow. I think it has a snowballs chance ...

 

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On 12/3/2022 at 2:37 PM, Las Palmas Norte said:

Found it under a foot of snow.

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I think snow can sometimes provide protection. I don't understand the dynamics of that but I've heard that from others before. 

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46 minutes ago, knikfar said:

I think snow can sometimes provide protection. I don't understand the dynamics of that but I've heard that from others before. 

I think the snow stabilizes the temperature and prevents the fluctuation into the damaging cold temps. Thing is I uncovered that seedling and we got the coldest temp that same night.

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36 minutes ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

I think the snow stabilizes the temperature and prevents the fluctuation into the damaging cold temps. Thing is I uncovered that seedling and we got the coldest temp that same night.

There is some truth to that. If it is snowing, it would mean there is cloud cover that ultimately means less radiational cooling at night. However I believe lying snow can also amplify low temperatures too, since it helps reflect any heat further into the atmosphere at night. Heavy snowfall followed by a clear night is the worst. Stuff covered by snow however would receive some protection during such an event, but that would mean further wet-cold issues, which bring their own problems. I suppose it is a bit of a catch 22.

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Snow is a good insulator.  When mountaineers study an aspect of a mountain to check for avalanche conditions , they measure the temp of different layers of snow in the snow pack.  It blew my mind to see that snowpack can sit for months without the temperature equalizing throughout the stack. 

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Didn’t know I was gonna see them on Tuesday but pretty good moment to check them out especially after that December blast but it’s still alive and still has a decent amount of green but the majority of the frond tips were frost burned

bonus the sabals and the sagos and I just noticed I forgot to remove that chip bag out of the cycad, for some reason theirs always a wrapper of some sorts when I visit the cycads and I always remove the trash so it’s like somebody does it on purpose

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On 12/5/2022 at 12:02 PM, Las Palmas Norte said:

I think the snow stabilizes the temperature and prevents the fluctuation into the damaging cold temps. Thing is I uncovered that seedling and we got the coldest temp that same night.

As was said snow is a good insulator and keeps the temps at or near the freezing point and pretty stable once there is a good blanket of it.  
 

This os probably the same or similar principle to citrus / strawberry and other farmers icing over their crops when there is a freeze here in Florida.   The ice covering the plants & fruit acts as an insulation and  maintains the internal temp of the plants / fruit right at 32°F, thus preventing severe damage from an actual hard freeze.  The plants / fruit never actually freezes solid itself thus damage is avoided. 
 

I remember in the 80s it was pretty common to see them do this.  Now, it’s a-lot more rare as the cold snaps are not as regular or severe as they were.  But then again growing in in Maryland back then I remember the Potomac river and Chesapeake Bay freezing over regularly in the 70s and early to mid 80s.   That became a very rare occurrence by the 1990s.   

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11 hours ago, ZPalms said:

Didn’t know I was gonna see them on Tuesday but pretty good moment to check them out especially after that December blast but it’s still alive and still has a decent amount of green but the majority of the frond tips were frost burned

bonus the sabals and the sagos and I just noticed I forgot to remove that chip bag out of the cycad, for some reason theirs always a wrapper of some sorts when I visit the cycads and I always remove the trash so it’s like somebody does it on purpose

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Thanks for the update.  I love seeing the palms in colder more northern climates as it gives me hope that if I ever do mine back up a bit north that I’ll still be able to have some nice palms.  
 

They look pretty good considering the recent harsh cold snap.   It always amazes me just how hardy Sabal Palmettos actually are.  To me they give windmills a decent run for the money.    The windmill always wins though because they can take a lower ultimate temp, and they are better with long duration cold and freezes.    Still, Sabal Palmetto are a very hardy palm.   

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2 hours ago, DCA_Palm_Fan said:

Thanks for the update.  I love seeing the palms in colder more northern climates as it gives me hope that if I ever do mine back up a bit north that I’ll still be able to have some nice palms.  
 

They look pretty good considering the recent harsh cold snap.   It always amazes me just how hardy Sabal Palmettos actually are.  To me they give windmills a decent run for the money.    The windmill always wins though because they can take a lower ultimate temp, and they are better with long duration cold and freezes.    Still, Sabal Palmetto are a very hardy palm.   

I have yet to see anyone in my area lose a palmetto or windmill or butias and washingtonias are a new occurance at least as of now but gotta love palmettos even with how slow they are but I'm gonna put my two sabal causiarum out this spring so I'm excited to see if those massive sabals are a choice for my area or not 🥰

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On 1/21/2023 at 1:53 AM, ZPalms said:

Didn’t know I was gonna see them on Tuesday but pretty good moment to check them out especially after that December blast but it’s still alive and still has a decent amount of green but the majority of the frond tips were frost burned

bonus the sabals and the sagos and I just noticed I forgot to remove that chip bag out of the cycad, for some reason theirs always a wrapper of some sorts when I visit the cycads and I always remove the trash so it’s like somebody does it on purpose

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People just like to litter. Throw it out the window, dont worry about it anymore. They never consider the fact that it causes issues, and if they get caught it could spell financial issues for a little bit lol

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1 hour ago, JLM said:

People just like to litter. Throw it out the window, dont worry about it anymore. They never consider the fact that it causes issues, and if they get caught it could spell financial issues for a little bit lol

Hope they get caught because it’s annoying to always have to take trash off the plants, I remember their was a bag tied to the butia frond in a knot and I had to rip the bag off without damaging the frond

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16 hours ago, ZPalms said:

Hope they get caught because it’s annoying to always have to take trash off the plants, I remember their was a bag tied to the butia frond in a knot and I had to rip the bag off without damaging the frond

I'm in Raleigh and this collection of palms is just about an hour from my house. But the weather difference is significant enough to make a difference, even over that short distance. All but one butia that I know of in the raleigh area was killed by the winter 2018 low of 4f. But here this one is living its best life. And that washy is something else. I just sprouted another 15 of its babies. But I gave a baby to a friend in Cary and he planted it in a fairly protected spot, close to his house and sheltered by his ac unit. But it spear pulled after the December event and is currently brown. I don't know if he'll apply fungicide or not but I'm thinking its probably dead. :(

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If you or someone you know is interested in taking one or all of the palms, you might consider calling the realtor and inquiring. If the eventual buyer wants them gone, they might let you take it (at your expense).

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21 hours ago, knikfar said:

I'm in Raleigh and this collection of palms is just about an hour from my house. But the weather difference is significant enough to make a difference, even over that short distance. All but one butia that I know of in the raleigh area was killed by the winter 2018 low of 4f. But here this one is living its best life. And that washy is something else. I just sprouted another 15 of its babies. But I gave a baby to a friend in Cary and he planted it in a fairly protected spot, close to his house and sheltered by his ac unit. But it spear pulled after the December event and is currently brown. I don't know if he'll apply fungicide or not but I'm thinking its probably dead. :(

Hopefully his washie comes back, but I'm sure there will be a lot of natural selection between all the washies and the strongest will survive. 💪 But if one ever establishes in your area, hopefully it has hardy characteristics to a perfect percentage for your area. 😍

 

10 hours ago, EvanM said:

If you or someone you know is interested in taking one or all of the palms, you might consider calling the realtor and inquiring. If the eventual buyer wants them gone, they might let you take it (at your expense).

If I or someone could take those palms, I'm sure the expense would be very expensive to either buy or move. It would be cool if they were taken care of instead of removed, but I'm afraid that if they were trimmed, it would probably lead to the death of the washie. I think the extra fronds act as extra protection. I know that businesses often chop as much as they can before needing another trim to reduce the mess. But even then, for me, if it were me, I would either need to crowdfund it to have it moved or leave it to someone else.

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On 12/5/2022 at 8:12 AM, knikfar said:

I think snow can sometimes provide protection. I don't understand the dynamics of that but I've heard that from others before. 

Fast forward six weeks ... 😒

 

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7 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

Fast forward six weeks ... 😒

 

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Is it completely toast? or just extremely damaged?

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On 1/24/2023 at 5:17 PM, ZPalms said:

Is it completely toast? or just extremely damaged?

It's done. Far too small to have a fighting chance. Our winter climate is well known for not being very Washingtonia friendly. Too wet with a few cold spells. I'm growing others on to get 'em sized up.

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On 1/25/2023 at 10:41 PM, Las Palmas Norte said:

It's done. Far too small to have a fighting chance. Our winter climate is well known for not being very Washingtonia friendly. Too wet with a few cold spells. I'm growing others on to get 'em sized up.

It's a tough grow,  even down here.  I have two outside.  The smaller one which is about 30-36" overall height is heavily damaged, only the spear is totally green.  Half the fronds dead the other in different levels of browning and spotting.  The bigger one I have is doing much better, but it's under a rain shelter.  The fronds near the bottom that have had more exposure are browning and spotting too.  There is the odd one around, but I think its a special combo of genetics and siting that allow these ones to live.  No real big ones around though, that I am aware of.

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3 hours ago, Chester B said:

It's a tough grow,  even down here.  I have two outside.  The smaller one which is about 30-36" overall height is heavily damaged, only the spear is totally green.  Half the fronds dead the other in different levels of browning and spotting.  The bigger one I have is doing much better, but it's under a rain shelter.  The fronds near the bottom that have had more exposure are browning and spotting too.  There is the odd one around, but I think its a special combo of genetics and siting that allow these ones to live.  No real big ones around though, that I am aware of.

I new a guy on the mainland that grew a decent sized (for here) W. robusta that was probably about 16' tall. He used an overhead canopy thru autumn until spring. It became unmanageable and eventually died. I know of at least one other similar story. That might be the best I can hope for with these.

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On 1/26/2023 at 7:41 AM, Las Palmas Norte said:

It's done. Far too small to have a fighting chance. Our winter climate is well known for not being very Washingtonia friendly. Too wet with a few cold spells. I'm growing others on to get 'em sized up.

Keep 'em in a pot for 1-2 winters and let them sit outside to get used to frosts and the wet winters but put them inside if it gets too cold or if a freeze stays too long. In my experience Washingtonias can be hardened off, if grown from seeds. By keeping them in a pot first you have more control about how far you want to take it and I would also use the weed out the wimps method with these.

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Yes it's me Hortulanus 😂

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Do you have any more Filibusta seed? @ZPalms

Thanks in advance.

5-8-2023

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17 hours ago, MrTropical said:

Do you have any more Filibusta seed? @ZPalms

Thanks in advance.

5-8-2023

I do have more seeds, I checked them a couple days ago and it’s hard to tell how many are actually sproutable because a lot of them look like they tried to sprout with a little white dot but didn’t when I had them in dry storage.

I could try and go through them and pick through

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13 minutes ago, ZPalms said:

I do have more seeds, I checked them a couple days ago and it’s hard to tell how many are actually sproutable because a lot of them look like they tried to sprout with a little white dot but didn’t when I had them in dry storage.

I could try and go through them and pick through

Ok. I'm going to send you a PM.

Thank you for replying.

5-8-2023

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On 1/21/2023 at 2:53 AM, ZPalms said:

Didn’t know I was gonna see them on Tuesday but pretty good moment to check them out especially after that December blast but it’s still alive and still has a decent amount of green but the majority of the frond tips were frost burned

bonus the sabals and the sagos and I just noticed I forgot to remove that chip bag out of the cycad, for some reason theirs always a wrapper of some sorts when I visit the cycads and I always remove the trash so it’s like somebody does it on purpose

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Update soon ?

 

 

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Here's one of the Fayetteville babies. Got itself a fat little base started.

 

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On 5/8/2023 at 6:50 PM, BigBilly said:

 

I'll be going to see it pretty soon, maybe I'll try this week 🤠👍

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I got around to planting one of these. It was in a gallon pot and stands about a foot tall.

... and of course, all loaded 90° to starboard.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Las Palmas Norte said:

I got around to planting one of these. It was in a gallon pot and stands about a foot tall.

... and of course, all loaded 90° to starboard.

 

 

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Looks awesome!!!! did any of the other seedlings come out more filifera? I know one of the washies I pulled up and put in a pot from the lot I think has no purple and it was the only one that survived winter compared to the other one I tried to save but granted it had more leaves even tho they mowed it down

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1 hour ago, ZPalms said:

Looks awesome!!!! did any of the other seedlings come out more filifera? 

None. All seedlings are very robusta in appearance.

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On 1/23/2023 at 11:17 AM, knikfar said:

I'm in Raleigh and this collection of palms is just about an hour from my house. But the weather difference is significant enough to make a difference, even over that short distance. All but one butia that I know of in the raleigh area was killed by the winter 2018 low of 4f. But here this one is living its best life. And that washy is something else. I just sprouted another 15 of its babies. But I gave a baby to a friend in Cary and he planted it in a fairly protected spot, close to his house and sheltered by his ac unit. But it spear pulled after the December event and is currently brown. I don't know if he'll apply fungicide or not but I'm thinking its probably dead. :(

Any updates on that Washingtonia in Cary?

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