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All about Agaves


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7 minutes ago, teddytn said:

Looks like a yucca! That’s super cool. Do the leaves feel similar to a yucca or dasylirion? Looks super similar to a yucca stricta that I have

No it's a agave, theres a red type too I like to get my hands on. Yes it does feel like yucca or dasylirion leaves. 

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24 minutes ago, Paradise Found said:

No it's a agave, theres a red type too I like to get my hands on. Yes it does feel like yucca or dasylirion leaves. 

No for sure agave, just awesome how you see the family ties come out in certain plants. Yucca gloriosa looks like an agave to me, let me see if I can get a pic

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44 minutes ago, teddytn said:

No for sure agave, just awesome how you see the family ties come out in certain plants. Yucca gloriosa looks like an agave to me, let me see if I can get a pic

How the leaves cup inwards like that reminds me of an agave 286BF3AF-C577-45AA-A272-323BCC8FFB75.thumb.jpeg.cd643ec4399ce421688c8d585bdf3b20.jpegD436C9CB-88C6-4221-BE0B-7E91DB45CA2C.thumb.jpeg.8b8a8117e27062b7b1fc147f0157bee2.jpeg

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Here are a few more of mine: 

A. parryi truncata

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I'm pretty sure this is A. impressa needing a bit of sun

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a. americana medio-picto alba

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A. macroacantha

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A. elemeetiana

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A. Victoria reginae suffering a bit of sun stress

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An unknown "attenuata" type?? maybe blue flame

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A. blue flame up top, and ferox (???) on the ground

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Agave attenuata Nova recovering after some rot set in

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Unknown species - titanota?? The aeoniums are obviously sun stressed

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My newest additions! A seedling Agave magnifica

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And an Agave gypsophylla!

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On 7/6/2021 at 10:21 PM, Josue Diaz said:

Here are a few more of mine: 

A. parryi truncata

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I'm pretty sure this is A. impressa needing a bit of sun

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a. americana medio-picto alba

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A. macroacantha

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A. elemeetiana

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A. Victoria reginae suffering a bit of sun stress

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An unknown "attenuata" type?? maybe blue flame

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A. blue flame up top, and ferox (???) on the ground

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Agave attenuata Nova recovering after some rot set in

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Unknown species - titanota?? The aeoniums are obviously sun stressed

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My newest additions! A seedling Agave magnifica

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And an Agave gypsophylla!

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Just awesome! You have some gorgeous specimens. That tall pot is cool

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A few more photo sharing. 

Agave Parryi var. Truntata.

Agave Schidigera 'shira_ito_no ohi!

Agave Ovaitifolia.

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On 7/7/2021 at 5:21 AM, Josue Diaz said:

Here are a few more of mine: 

A. parryi truncata

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I'm pretty sure this is A. impressa needing a bit of sun

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a. americana medio-picto alba

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A. macroacantha

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A. elemeetiana

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A. Victoria reginae suffering a bit of sun stress

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An unknown "attenuata" type?? maybe blue flame

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A. blue flame up top, and ferox (???) on the ground

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Agave attenuata Nova recovering after some rot set in

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Unknown species - titanota?? The aeoniums are obviously sun stressed

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My newest additions! A seedling Agave magnifica

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And an Agave gypsophylla!

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Hi Josue,

Love the A. parryi truncata in the first picture. The color and shap are outstanding. I assume they are not so winter hardy as I require here in Germany. But maybe with some protection....

What do you think which lowest temp  it can survive?

Thanks

Eckhard

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On 7/6/2021 at 9:29 PM, Paradise Found said:

I see what your talking about, could pass if it didn't have a trunk. LOL. 

It looks a lot like a trunking Agave Angustifolia/Vivipara Marginata.  It isn't, since it has no marginal or terminal spines, but looks very similar!  I have one with about a foot or two of trunk in my front yard, they can easily grow several feet of trunk before flowering.  I trimmed off the lower leaves when I transplanted it about 2 months ago, and just tied it to a PVC stake hammered into the ground.

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38 minutes ago, Merlyn said:

It looks a lot like a trunking Agave Angustifolia/Vivipara Marginata.  It isn't, since it has no marginal or terminal spines, but looks very similar!  I have one with about a foot or two of trunk in my front yard, they can easily grow several feet of trunk before flowering.  I trimmed off the lower leaves when I transplanted it about 2 months ago, and just tied it to a PVC stake hammered into the ground.

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Nicely done! 

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1 hour ago, Merlyn said:

It looks a lot like a trunking Agave Angustifolia/Vivipara Marginata.  It isn't, since it has no marginal or terminal spines, but looks very similar!  I have one with about a foot or two of trunk in my front yard, they can easily grow several feet of trunk before flowering.  I trimmed off the lower leaves when I transplanted it about 2 months ago, and just tied it to a PVC stake hammered into the ground.

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Wow that is gorgeous! They’re very similar looking for sure. If you said that was a yucca you almost couldn’t argue it lol

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19 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

Hi Josue,

Love the A. parryi truncata in the first picture. The color and shap are outstanding. I assume they are not so winter hardy as I require here in Germany. But maybe with some protection....

What do you think which lowest temp  it can survive?

Thanks

Eckhard

I know they are native to elevations up to 8000 feet in Texas and New Mexico, so they can take quite a bit of cold. Apparently, if kept dry, they can take -20F (-28C). 

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Hey,

This sounds promising . Now I need to search for seeds of higher elevations .  Some dry places are left in my garden.

Regards

Eckhard 

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The picture is deceiving all those plants around it are in 3-5 gallon pots. I’m 6’2” and I had to look up to see the top standing in front of it. It wasn’t labeled, the leaves were flat and flexible not thick and stiff though. Super cool though!D7DEA44A-8DE0-43C4-B86E-560D0B3CC54C.thumb.jpeg.51c3951461853d38690ef883f4206dcd.jpeg

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On 7/16/2021 at 4:09 PM, teddytn said:

The picture is deceiving all those plants around it are in 3-5 gallon pots. I’m 6’2” and I had to look up to see the top standing in front of it. It wasn’t labeled, the leaves were flat and flexible not thick and stiff though. Super cool though!D7DEA44A-8DE0-43C4-B86E-560D0B3CC54C.thumb.jpeg.51c3951461853d38690ef883f4206dcd.jpeg

Good size for Furcraea foetida..  No chance of those surviving outdoors there though.

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Some Agave ..and other goodies at the sale yesterday:

Assorted sp. for encouraging local Agave pollinating Bats..

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A. palmeri
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A. chysantha
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BIG Ficus palmeri . $40.00!!.. Have seen then going for 2x's that in the same size pot..
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..Same w/ these Foruq. macdougalii.
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Gotta love living in / close enough to the heart of Succulent plant Mecca :greenthumb:

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7 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Good size for Furcraea foetida..  No chance of those surviving outdoors there though.

I had no idea that plant group existed, I assumed it was an agave I was unaware of. Learn something new everyday!! Thank you sir

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4 hours ago, teddytn said:

I had no idea that plant group existed, I assumed it was an agave I was unaware of. Learn something new everyday!! Thank you sir

They're weird for sure.. foetida might be the most " agave - looking " sp. Others like F. macdougalii and bedinghausii look like large, single- trunked Yucca or Cordyline from a distance. Giant flower stalks resemble Christmas trees.

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For wet winters the species that are supposed to handle it the best are agave montana, agave ovatifolia, and agave parryi jc raulston. Any others worth a try?

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On 7/6/2021 at 10:21 PM, Josue Diaz said:

A. elemeetiana

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On 7/6/2021 at 10:21 PM, Josue Diaz said:

 

I have one that to me looks just like this one, but I have it labeled A. Mitis...

Do they look the same to you? Should I relabel it?

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Thanks

 

Richard

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Here a a few from my collection that I think deserve honorable mention

Agave boldinghiana 

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  Agave bovicornuta

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 Agave bracteosa 

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 Agave chazaroi 

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 Agave colorata 

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  Agave cupreata

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 Agave geminiflora 

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 Agave guadalajarana 

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 Agave guiengola  

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1 hour ago, GDLWyverex said:

I have one that to me looks just like this one, but I have it labeled A. Mitis...

Do they look the same to you? Should I relabel it?

Mitis (previously Celsii) generally has fine black teeth along the edge.  Ellemeetiana seems like a good match!

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And a few more

Agave horrida ssp perotensis 

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 Agave isthmensis 

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 Agave nizandensis 

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agave potatorum cv shoji raijin  

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Agave sisalana f variegata 

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Agave stricta CV Nana

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Agave univittata var quadricolor

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If you want to see my other varietis which I didn't mention herein, visit http://selva.cabal.mx where you can sort my collection in a variety of ways

 

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9 minutes ago, GDLWyverex said:

  Agave cupreata

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I definitely need to find one of these!  I have "Crazy Horse," which supposedly is an Asperrima x Cupreata hybrid.  It's too wet here for Asperrima to survive in the ground, but Cupreata should do great here in FL.  That one reminds me a lot of "Mad Cow," aka Bovicornuta x Colorata.  :D

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First winter in the ground protection for these agaves. Just aiming to keep them dry. Drilled holes around the top of the bins to let hot air out that accumulates qduring the day. Cross your fingers for me!
Agave ovatifolia on the right, agave gentryi jaws on the left.6C52979C-D639-499A-A882-DDFBCBAC0683.thumb.jpeg.4d0b61bfe5dbae5f52bcc42d2f07469d.jpegAgave montana right, agave parryi truncata middle back, agave ovatifolia left8DE1CAFF-C6F6-4D80-8CAC-CCEFC84ADB3D.thumb.jpeg.1f3dc234ced20ee3de5ff911443873fe.jpegAnother agave parryi truncata right, another agave montana left. 060B6326-AFCD-4B18-9E9F-BE0F2ACAE325.thumb.jpeg.ca81b801b0c066c5c10f8e3b572f3749.jpeg

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Taking full advantage of our current 80+ deg. weather,  the south facing block wall / Concrete pad on the north side of the yard and getting a jump on next years starts, inc the first batch of Agave chrysantha.. ( most likely ) seed collected from Oak Flat a week or so ago..  Next batch gets sown today or tomorrow..  Other " head start " stuff is already starting to pop. 

We'll see what happens..
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One of the specimens collected from.. Interesting than several specimens i'd encountered out there appear to be suckering rather than solitary, inc. this one. Could be crosses w/ A. palmeri which has suckering populations and occurs here. Regardless, amount of various sized seedlings encountered on the table top is a clear sign these produce fertile seed.
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1 hour ago, Silas_Sancona said:

Taking full advantage of our current 80+ deg. weather,  the south facing block wall / Concrete pad on the north side of the yard and getting a jump on next years starts, inc the first batch of Agave chrysantha.. ( most likely ) seed collected from Oak Flat a week or so ago..  Next batch gets sown today or tomorrow..  Other " head start " stuff is already starting to pop. 

We'll see what happens..
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One of the specimens collected from.. Interesting than several specimens i'd encountered out there appear to be suckering rather than solitary, inc. this one. Could be crosses w/ A. palmeri which has suckering populations and occurs here. Regardless, amount of various sized seedlings encountered on the table top is a clear sign these produce fertile seed.
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That is one thing I’ve yet to try is agave from seed. It’s cool to see how some offset from underground, some offset on the flower stalk, and some are solitary and reproduce only from seed. Watched a bunch of clips on YouTube of Kelly Griffin and all the hybrids he’s developed, super interesting. What does the initial leaf set look like on an agave from seed?

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7 minutes ago, teddytn said:

That is one thing I’ve yet to try is agave from seed. It’s cool to see how some offset from underground, some offset on the flower stalk, and some are solitary and reproduce only from seed. Watched a bunch of clips on YouTube of Kelly Griffin and all the hybrids he’s developed, super interesting. What does the initial leaf set look like on an agave from seed?

To me, first couple seedling leaves look like a thick / succulent blade of grass. Doesn't take long to start seeing " agave " leaves though.. maybe by the 3rd /4th?, depending on the species..  Even the smallest seedlings i saw at the flat already had teeth at roughly the diameter of a Quarter / 4" height.

My first time germinating also, so i'll be updating as things progress.. Should be as easy as Yucca though.

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Agave sisalana has gone wild in a number of not so dry places in Hawai`i.  All of these are from same location in upper Wai`anae Valley along an old plantation maintenance trail.

 

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2 hours ago, WaianaeCrider said:

Agave sisalana has gone wild in a number of not so dry places in Hawai`i.  All of these are from same location in upper Wai`anae Valley along an old plantation maintenance trail.

 

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I had to zoom in and saw the cans to realize how big those are. Just awesome! I remember 22 years ago my wife and I when we were young, we’re driving to big beach on Maui’s south side and thinking that cactus would do great there, never even thought about agave. 

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5 hours ago, Silas_Sancona said:

To me, first couple seedling leaves look like a thick / succulent blade of grass. Doesn't take long to start seeing " agave " leaves though.. maybe by the 3rd /4th?, depending on the species..  Even the smallest seedlings i saw at the flat already had teeth at roughly the diameter of a Quarter / 4" height.

My first time germinating also, so i'll be updating as things progress.. Should be as easy as Yucca though.

I’m definitely interested in an update. Whatever I can get to live agave wise in the ground, even if it’s one species I plan to have quite a few plantings. From seed maybe the best bet if I can get my hands on it. 

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46 minutes ago, teddytn said:

I had to zoom in and saw the cans to realize how big those are. Just awesome! I remember 22 years ago my wife and I when we were young, we’re driving to big beach on Maui’s south side and thinking that cactus would do great there, never even thought about agave. 

Yea they are huge.  Often 6' tall and the flower stalks WAY taller 15 to 20'.  I've see photos, old, where the dried stalks were split and used in fencing.

I think they are the result of a failed ag industry back around 1900 when all sorts of "exotics" were imported to the islands to create industry.  We have wild vanilla vines way up in the forest, rubber trees, allspice all planted in numbers to give the impression business was in mind.  Only ones that took off were coffee, pineapple and sugar cane.

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46 minutes ago, teddytn said:

I’m definitely interested in an update. Whatever I can get to live agave wise in the ground, even if it’s one species I plan to have quite a few plantings. From seed maybe the best bet if I can get my hands on it. 

Chrysantha, palmeri ..and a few others grow in 7-8b areas of the state where snow falls ..at least a little anyway every few winters ( below roughly 6k ft anyway.. ) Same areas also experience summer rainfall..   Would check places like Mesa Garden for seed.  Have you on the mental notes  " Mail a pair of seedlings to list " if i get them going ( and can keep them going through next summer )

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Whats everyone’s thoughts on agave Americana hybrids being fairly cold hardy? Plant delights has agave protoamericana silver surfer and funky toes rated as 7b. Silver surfer is gorgeous by the way! 

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Americana is an 8B plant, nominally 15F.  I suppose hybrids could be hardier, but there are not many 5F hardy agaves.  I am not sure if Protoamericana is hardier, but Asperrima (the other half of the theorized hybrid) is good to 10F.  A couple of 1 to 5 foot diameter Asperrima survived Palmageddon just West of Austin at my parent's place.  It was below 10F for a couple of days there, with one day with a high of 8F...

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