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Can cocos survive in Lindos,Rhodes in Greece?


southathens

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Below an non exhaustive list of official met stations in Greece with the highest average annual Ts

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Annual temp above 20 is a must (70 F). And not by way of very hot summers of 30 C against winters of 10 C. 

20 C annual temp with mild summers of 25 C, and winters of at least 15 C (at least upper 50s in coldest month), in the eastern Mediterranean or Azores etc. 
Most places with Cocos are over 25 C annual average temp. At this temp even places with strong seasons or a hot dry season can grow Cocos at least with basic watering. 25 C with 10 degree seasonality would be a summer of 35 (almost too hot if temps often exceed 100 F or 40 C), and winters still meeting the 15 C coldest month threshold. 

Seeing so many areas in the northern mediterranean with temps above 20 is promising, but some are due to hot desert-like summers with colder winters than the outer islands. 

The Haifa peninsula in the east med is over 14 C in the coldest month, and neary 29 C in August, giving an annual temp of 22. 

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On 4/29/2024 at 3:27 AM, Aceraceae said:

The Haifa peninsula in the east med is over 14 C in the coldest month, and neary 29 C in August, giving an annual temp of 22. 

Are u sure Haifa is so high?

I thought it was around 20.5C to 21C annual T. I have never seen a station in Haifa at 22.0C avg. annual T.

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After a record breaking hot April by Greece's standards Lindos now standing at 22.0°C avg. annual temperature. 

The first area in geographical Europe to do so. 

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On 5/4/2021 at 4:24 AM, southathens said:

Hello everyone! Its been a long time since my last posts here and given that we now have more than 7 years of meteorological data from the area of Lindos in SE Rhodes in Greece, we can see some very interesting things according to the National Observatory of Athens fan aspirated meteorological station in Lindos.

It appears that it is by far the warmest area annually in geographical Europe beating even the warmest areas of the Canaries islands (which are not located in Europe anyways). Below Lindos data the past 7 years that the station is operating.

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By achieving an amazing 21.89C mean annual temperature it beats even Tenerife South AP station in the Canaries for the same period which is the warmest met station in the Canaries.

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Below some more info for meteo enthusiasts 

https://www.ukweatherworld.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/117931-greek-islands-cyprus-v-canaries-madeira-2018/&do=findComment&comment=1137494

Sure the data are for a limited period of only 7 years and the winter temps in Lindos seem cool at a first glance to support cocos. However, we have examples of cocos surviving in Newport Beach, California which is even cooler compared to Lindos. Apart from the cool winter temps do you think the extremely hot summer temps can harm any attempts to grow cocos in Lindos? The excruciating high summer temps of Lindos are due to constant foehn winds throughout the summer.

So, I am skeptical..But what do you think it would take for cocos to grow in Lindos?

Three years have passed since this thread was started. Did you plant the Cocos? Are there current photos?

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On 6/2/2024 at 2:36 PM, SeanK said:

Three years have passed since this thread was started. Did you plant the Cocos? Are there current photos?

I dont live in Lindos. 

If you check the previous posts you will see that some of the Greek members tried to motivate locals to grow cocos over there but without success.

However, just outside Lindos in Lardos we have a member here who has successfully grown an outdoor surviving coco and there are pictures in the previous posts. 

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I planted one, but I don't give it a high chance of surviving 

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On 6/5/2024 at 10:59 PM, Victor G. said:

I planted one, but I don't give it a high chance of surviving 

Waste of time and resources. I keep wondering, if in summer we get constant 40 and sometimes hypothetically 50 C, which will surely  give mathematically the annual average a significant rise, would that promote in any sense the cultivation of a coconut in our latitude? I think you know the answer. A big NO, instead it would limit even further the potential of cool tolerant, most probably of oceanic origin, palm spp for our region (eg Rhopalostylis, Chambeyronia, Kentia, Archontophoenix etc).

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My own experience and feelings would be that it is not the heat but the cold that would be the most likely culprit to "do in" any Cocos where you are in Greece. Remember that the coconut in La Quinta, California--located in one of the hottest deserts in the world--is doing fine for decades now and stands in the open sun. Even the brief winter here, however, mars somewhat the visual quality of the crown (prematurely browns lower leaves) and the dryness makes manual removal of leaf-bases a likely necessity to keep a neat look. From my own experiments here I see that some cultivars will collapse in cold-waves during winter, while others hold steady. And partial shade while young, and positioning in a south-facing sun-trap, has been obviously important in getting them established in my personal tests here near Palm Springs. I think those of you there who love Cocos should not be daunted in experimenting with different varieties and growing positions (it's the only way we learn, after all)...but perhaps you would want to back them up with some Beccariophoenix or other coconut-ish palms for safety's sake.

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Michael Norell

Rancho Mirage, California | 33°44' N 116°25' W | 287 ft | z10a | avg Jan 43/70F | Jul 78/108F avg | Weather Station KCARANCH310

previously Big Pine Key, Florida | 24°40' N 81°21' W | 4.5 ft. | z12a | Calcareous substrate | avg annual min. approx 52F | avg Jan 65/75F | Jul 83/90 | extreme min approx 41F

previously Natchez, Mississippi | 31°33' N 91°24' W | 220 ft.| z9a | Downtown/river-adjacent | Loess substrate | avg annual min. 23F | Jan 43/61F | Jul 73/93F | extreme min 2.5F (1899); previously Los Angeles, California (multiple locations)

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btw Lindos recorded its all time high of 43.6C a few days ago... On the 13th of June

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On 6/5/2024 at 10:59 PM, Victor G. said:

I planted one, but I don't give it a high chance of surviving 

where did you plant it?

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