Can cocos survive in Lindos,Rhodes in Greece?

[Manos33]

@Victor G.

I am reposting my answer from the other thread since its more relevant here.

Kasos having dropped to 8.0C so far records the highest absolute low in Greece for 2023.

The recent prolonged cold snap in Greece never really affected Kasos

 

Edited February 11 by Manos33

[Manos33]

Greece is still recovering from the recent cold snap. 

Minimum Ts remain below average and will continue to do so until Wednesday 

Once again Kasos is virtually untouched by these Ts.  As you can clearly see on the map of NOA stations it was by far the warmest station in Greece in terms of minimums with 11.5C today.

Edited February 12 by Manos33

[Manos33]

And here the updated freely available climate data for Lindos until Feb 2023.

The station of the National Observatory of Athens in Lindos in around two weeks will go into the 10th year of operation with freely available data. 

So we are getting into a point where it is unlikely that the data below will have significant differences from a full time series.

The fact that the average annual temperature in Lindos remains close to 22°C is significant for European standards.

Edited March 16 by Manos33

[Manos33]

Confirmation that recently almost all of the National Observatory of Athens stations have received a WMO id

https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-300-1-athens

https://community.wmo.int/en/activity-areas/WIGOS/implementation-WIGOS/WIGOS-station-identifier

To find details for each station click on the map at the right.

[Manos33]

Here is the link regarding the WMO id of Lindos station

https://oscar.wmo.int/surface/#/search/station/stationReportDetails/0-300-1-lindos

[Manos33]

New July record set today in Lindos at 42.7C

[Manos33]

Crete has registered a stunning 35.1C earlier today at Sisi WMO station from NOA.

This is a new European T record for November

https://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/sisi/

[Manos33]

 

[Aceraceae]

The Mediterranean and Black Sea are 3 C (5 F) or more above datum consistently most of the year and into the fall increasing anomaly the past few days. 

[Manos33]

Updated climate data for Lindos until October 2023.

Today Lindos broke its all time November record by almost 1C registering 27.2C

In 4 months Lindos will have 10 full years of freely available data!

 

Edited November 6 by Manos33

[Aceraceae]

Those temps are close to Cocos level. 14 C coldest month and 22 C for the year. Cocos needs about 60 F in the coldest month (15 C) and the year should be over room temperature (>22 C or 72 F). Mediterranean climates like Haifa Israel just have too much of the rain in the cold season. 35 C / 95 F summer average highs are also almost too hot and so islands or marine locations are needed. Seaside Puerto Penasco, Rocky Point, Sonora Mexico has no rain but enhanced humidity and lower summer high temps than Phoenix, and can grow irrigated Coconut palms. 

Edited November 7 by Aceraceae

[Manos33]

19 hours ago, Aceraceae said:

Those temps are close to Cocos level. 14 C coldest month and 22 C for the year. Cocos needs about 60 F in the coldest month (15 C) and the year should be over room temperature (>22 C or 72 F). Mediterranean climates like Haifa Israel just have too much of the rain in the cold season. 35 C / 95 F summer average highs are also almost too hot and so islands or marine locations are needed. Seaside Puerto Penasco, Rocky Point, Sonora Mexico has no rain but enhanced humidity and lower summer high temps than Phoenix, and can grow irrigated Coconut palms. 

The problem is that we just have no idea if cocos can survive in Lindos. No one has tried it as far as we know. And it makes sense. While during the summer period hundred of thousands of tourists visit Lindos during the winter barely 1000 people live there...

[Aceraceae]

Isn't Kasos even better than Lindos because it's a more southern small island that has the warm winters but less extreme desert heat in the summer? 

[Manos33]

17 hours ago, Aceraceae said:

Isn't Kasos even better than Lindos because it's a more southern small island that has the warm winters but less extreme desert heat in the summer? 

of course Kasos is better in terms of winter T's but it is very dry...

Below are the climate normals for Kasos

 

[Manos33]

Below Greece's highest monthly averages T's from the WMO network of the National Observatory of Athens.

Lindos and Kastelorizo dominate in summer and winter means and lows while Sparta dominates in summer maxes. Most mean and average lows are European records.

 

 

Edited November 17 by Manos33

[Manos33]

A noteworthy average max of 27.0C in Crete so far in November

 https://web.archive.org/web/20231117140715/https://penteli.meteo.gr/stations/chaniacenter/NOAAYR.TXT

I seriously doubt we ever had an area in Europe so far inside November to register an average max of 27C. 

It's a first for Greece. Ts will cool down a bit the next few days all over Greece but we might still beat the 24C record avg high of 2019.

[Manos33]

Below some of Greece's climatological extremes updated through October 2023

 

Edited November 18 by Manos33

[Manos33]

Greece's recent highest summer mean max Ts. Only WMO stations with at least 10 years of data.

[Aceraceae]

On 11/5/2023 at 10:20 PM, Aceraceae said:

The Mediterranean and Black Sea are 3 C (5 F) or more above datum consistently most of the year and into the fall increasing anomaly the past few days. 

Sea temps here are still about 3 C 5F high on average approaching winter when it matters more, as other mid latitude water cools faster. Almost as impressive as the current strong El Nino. Does an EU med-nino cause Heavier rain in Haifa or the Greek Isles? Not so far overall this fall. 

Edited November 27 by Aceraceae