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The Anthurium craze and repotting Anthurium magnificum


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My Anthurium forgetii cross seedlings are really maturing. All are in 4" pots now. Also had a spadix of Anthurium warocqueanum x besseae aff produce a bunch of berries and will be raising a crop of probably about 200 plants

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It’s been awhile since I last visited Fairchild Gardens south of Miami, FL.  I took a break from the New England cold for some Florida sunshine this week. Enjoyed seeing these anthuriums (posted below) in the rainforest garden and the conservatory glass houses.  I appreciate these larger specimens so much more now after starting collecting anthuriums this year.  A few other aroids (philodendron billetiae?, p. verrucosum?) are mixed in with these photos. Since last visiting years ago, they added mist systems to the outdoors rainforest garden and it was so enchanting walking through the dark, lush plantings.  The mature veitchiis were amazing to see.  I think the 2nd photo is A. worocqueanum (seems lighter than what I would expect). Anyone know what the 4th photo is? —-Ultra robust petioles and foliage substance on this pendulous type anthurium.

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Having gone through this thread, I’m so impressed with the collections, photos, and knowledge, everyone shared. Not a serious collector here, but thankful of the different specimens gifted or traded for from fellow gardeners. Mahalo.

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My latest purchases for my anthurium collection arrived from ecuagenera today.  I told myself my last purchase of year was in September but when I saw the holiday discount on the normally pricey Anthurium luxurians —-well, I just couldn’t afford not to;).  
 

Also, opportunity to add Anthurium reflexinervium (which was on my wish list) and Philodendron verrucosum 2.  
 

Dreaded a January shipment date but they put me off a month; low temperature was 11 degrees F few days ago at my house.  Plants seem to arrive okay but seems that next few weeks is real test if they will acclimate before declining.

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The wonderfully textured Anthurium luxurians:

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Also, a remarkable texture on the Anthurium reflexinervium.

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Not an anthurium, but came across photos online of the Philodendron verrucosum and wanted to try it.  They are notorious for shipping *horribly*; glad I was given the warning.  Will need to get up to speed on their growing culture.

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I would never have been so brave as to have had them shipped that far in winter! They look like they did ok though! I have had Luxurians for many years. I bought mine back in the day when Agristarts released their 'chosen one' clone....Quilted Heart. Over the years, I have divided the original plant and now have 5 plants. (I had 8 but traded 3). Ditto Reflexinervium....I bought my originals from the Ecuagenera in Ecuador. I am a real sucker for the highly textured leaves. I have the form of verrucosum that was the ONLY form available back in the late-1990's early 2000's. Its referred to now as Standard Form, and paradoxically, is now one of the more rare hard to find forms. Keep us posted on your plants!!!!!! Winter isn't long here, but its kinda boring. 

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So some of my mad scientist experiments have started to show themselves with my anthurium pollination schemes ha ha. I am raising a very large number of Forgetii hybrids. I never kept track of what I pollinated with, in most cases there were probably mixed pollens on the spadix. I have a lot of nice pretty homogenous offspring, and a few real oddballs. Photo one is what the majority of my Forgetii seedlings look like. Photo number 2 and 3 are the 2 most interesting offspring.

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Same with my Mehani crop. They seem to be splitting along very definite genetic lines. 'Mean; is already a complex hybrid...[magnificum x (radicans x luxurians)] x crystallinum. Add other things like besseae x magnificum, and another clone of magnificum into the mix and it leads to some strangeness. Some look like #1. An equal number like #2 with a frilly leaf edge and an overall lighter color to the leaf. But so far, only ONE looks like #3....really showing the bullate leaf texture on some leaves of the rad x lux parentage

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1 hour ago, metalfan said:

I bought mine back in the day when Agristarts released their 'chosen one' clone....Quilted Heart.

Interesting reading about how far back your collection goes; I imagine it must have been very difficult finding these more uncommon anthuriums prior to proliferation of all the online sources. 

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But so far, only ONE looks like #3....really showing the bullate leaf texture on some leaves of the rad x lux parentage

Always like seeing what intriguing concoctions you are coming up with Metalfan.  Lol. The spaces under your greenhouse benches must be a real anthurium jewel box with any seedlings that happen to escape and take to the soil. Lol. 
 

That photo #3 is very interesting; like to see how that develops. As a temperate climate gardener, it actually reminds me of the hosta seedlings from the highly puckered H. Sieboldiana (large blue hosta) types.

 

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@piping plovers, in regards to finding uncommon anthurium species before the proliferation of online sources, I just have to ask you....how old ARE you lol??? We were in online gardening forums as early as like 2000. If you count networking with people before photos became possible, then in the 90's when the internet was all dial up and you have to have something like Prodigy to talk to other people.

Its kind of important to realize that many of the plants that are highly prized now in the aroid sphere are not new. During the Last Great Plant Craze of the 2000's, that basically came to a halt between the years of 2008-1020 because of the Great Recession, most of the plants that people ooh and aah over now (veitchii, verrucosum, luxurians, rad x lux, Mehani, warocq, clarinervium, gloriosum, forgetii, all the Jewel ALocasias, etc etc) were all in tissue culture and pretty readily available at cheap prices online. eBay was a huge source, and private website nurseries like Enid Offolter's NSE which began in I believe 2002 and Barry Yinger's Asiatica and Tropiflora, Novelty Greens, Vintage Greens, (and of course, the original Ecuadorian Ecuagenera location) made it possible to acquire these plants without breaking the bank. And forums like this one that were not especially palm specific (Gardenweb, Dave's Garden, the UBC site, and a few private invitation only sites) made it possible to connect directly to people eager to trade. A lot of this ended in 2010/2011 when people were poor and had a lot less disposable income, tissue culture reverted to landscaping plants and niche nurseries closed. But we still traded.

There are a ton more things available now, with the advent of new species being put forth to collect and new species being describes and new hybrids being made etc. Many people have things now that were common or cheaper back then than now.

 

Oh, and I don;t have any benches LOL. Perish the thought. I have Chaos.

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3 hours ago, metalfan said:

in regards to finding uncommon anthurium species before the proliferation of online sources, I just have to ask you....how old ARE you lol???

Lol, that gave me a good chuckle :)  well, not quite old enough to retire, but believe me —-I am counting the years to a warm sunny Florida retirement.  However, am old enough to have been collecting tropicals in the late 70s early 80s as a young teen.

Maybe it’s a geographical thing but early on it was not possible finding locally any of the exotics you would see in the Exotica, Graff’s books, or horticultural magazines at the libraries.  It took until my college years before I had access to the ag school’s horticultural trade magazines, with all their classified advertisements mail order sources .  Sources for exotic plants you would only see in magazines and books if living in the colder climes.

Readers from FL, CA, and other warm climes may find this story about the white bird of paradise (WBOP) hard to believe because they are so ubiquitous in southern FL landscaping,  but pre internet retail around 1994 ish, I mail ordered a WBOP from one of the trade magazines. This was a big deal to own one up here. It cost more to ship than the plant itself.  No nursery or florist carried them as house plants, Home Depot and lowes did not yet exist widely (if at all ) up in the northeast. WBOP was one of those exotic houseplants we would only see in high end magazine shoots, etc but were unobtainable to the masses. I mention this because it was unimaginable then to think they would now be available in even grocery stores. Thank goodness things have changed with internet purchasing! And  I still have that WBOP.

I was immersed in cattleya orchids most of the 90s -  2010s and was grateful to get some nice plants on eBay and online nurseries,   Yea, on the anthuriums, I’m late to this train. Honestly, I’d see a photo of a crystallinum or veitchii, and say “no way “, out of scope, as I assumed they would be impossible to grow here without a greenhouse or conservatory.

Thanks for sharing all that history  above and that jungle  “chaos” looks great btw!

 

 

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I would have thought you younger ha ha. I was a teen in the 1970's too. I think maybe it is a geographical thing. But Asiatica was located in Pennsylvania. It was kind of an outlier I guess, the others all being HI or So FL.

When I lived in Southern California, we could not reliably grow aroids (and they were;t a thing then anyway). It was a little too lacking in humidity for a lot of them even if the climate was right. They have beautiful aroids at the Huntington Gardens though...and of course, Mardy Darians lush jungle was located by Irvine. CA is some a weird micro climate kind of place. So many palms and unusual flowering trees do well there as well as fruit trees. 

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14 minutes ago, metalfan said:

They have beautiful aroids at the Huntington Gardens though..

Interesting you should mention Huntington Gardens. A friend of mine who lived in CA for awhile recently shared some photos of their gardens.  The gardens AND the artwork! Just  amazing.  A place I’d definitely want to visit whenever I get to CA—along the redwoods of course!

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I'm pretty excited today. I pollinated one of my Anthurium radicans x luxurians with some pollen from my besseae aff.  Just for grins.  Mainly because everyone I know says that rad x lux is sterile and will not produce viable seeds. I only got 6 seeds. It was a very sparse take. And there was a possibility the seeds would be sterile like everyone says.

But I have one seed so far that is germinating. This photo is hard to see, my phone camera won;t focus well enough this close. But there is a little green appendage emerging from this seed! Very excited...hope I don;t lose it.

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This regale is looking pretty decent in the cooler weather

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Thanks for all the info and photos Gina, Joe, and others. Since going through this thread, I’ve become a bit more conscious of the foliage anthurium that I have in the garden. Virtually all were gifted to me, most without ID’s, so the correct names are just a best guess scenario.

Here are a few photos with the ‘supermodel’ shovel for scale. 

I think these are A. spectabile. I understand they can be variable. The one with the long think leaves gets morning sun and I’m thinking of moving it to a more north facing position on that tree trunk. 

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The next one, which is still small, I think is A. warocqueqnum. I actually have two plants, one tied to a palm trunk and the other is still in a pot. 

The velvet texture is a wonderful characteristic.

The other photo was a cutting given to me a few years back and I have no idea what it is. The new emergent leaf has a reddish bronze color to it. It languished for a few years, but finally is looking impressive. 

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The last one, A. cupulispathum has really taken off and the huge leaves make quite the statement. I was gifted a bunch of seedlings from a friend and was surprised at how vigorous and resilient they were.  

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Tim, I agree that the first 2 are spectabile. Its pretty classic. The 3rd one, though, I think is pseudospectabile. See how the first 2 photos the petiole starts that upward curve at the geniculum? Spectabile. The last one in that series does not do that, and also has a very different form at the auricles and and does not have a sinus. It kind of just 'drops' down at the petiolar attachment. The Warocqueanum is id'd correctly! Who can mistake the Queen ha ha! The next one reminds me very much of Marmoratum. I may be in error on that, but it really resembles it. Your cupulispathum is fabulous. Mine is just getting going. I have it working up a support. Can;t wait for those huge leaves!

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Those mapus and dark leaves in the understory just pop and make that a gorgeous scene.

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Gina, thanks for the responses and specific information. I don’t know if my aroid ID skills will be anything more than basic, since my passion is still palm oriented, but every little bit helps. I am fortunate to live in a spot where I don’t have to worry about temperature, rainfall, or humidity. Given those positives requires an amazing amount of maintenance, which for me, is a pleasurable task. Edit, edit, edit, is the ongoing mantra, as changes in plant growth and aesthetics evolve. 

On another note, if I were to have a greenhouse similar to yours, it too would be chaos. :)

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19 hours ago, realarch said:

Here are a few photos with the ‘supermodel’ shovel for scale. 

I think these are A. spectabile. I understand they can be variable. The

Tim, your garden is paradise on earth.  
 

I’m seeing that you are in Hilo; that’s a place I always wanted to visit—-and I don’t mind being on the rainy side of Hawaii. More luxuriant plant growth I imagine on the Big Island’s wet side. 
 

 I visited Waimea Botanical Garden in Oahu back in the 80s.  I delayed college for a year after high school just to work retail and  to save for a month-long trip to Oahu.  Stayed with military relatives on Kaneohe Bay so that made it possible to stay so long; otherwise  - on a teenager’s budget - it wasn’t going to happen:)


Glad you included the supermodel shovel  lol   —- Can really appreciate the scale and size of those anthuriums (cupulispathum).

 

19 hours ago, realarch said:

I think these are A. spectabile. I understand they can be variable.

17 hours ago, metalfan said:

Tim, I agree that the first 2 are spectabile. Its pretty classic. The 3rd one, though, I think is pseudospectabile

 

I received a spectabile from Hawaii this summer; the largest anthurium I ever received by mail. I know we had some posts back in August about the variability. Looking at the 3 photos I think mine looks more like Tim’s third photo but it could be due to the way I’m growing it. Growing in sunroom with side windows only and no light from above; perhaps the foliage is positioning vertically to catch the most light from sides.

 

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On 1/16/2022 at 7:49 AM, metalfan said:

This regale is looking pretty decent in the cooler weather

Your regale looks fantastic.
 

Sadly, I threw my regale away yesterday.  Ecuagenera sent me a real nice one in September but it stalled and then the chonk rotted.  The sunroom location might have been too chilly at night.  I’m only at that house once a week due to my job location.
 

Anyhow, have decided to not purchase anymore anthuriums until I can build a proper greenhouse/ conservatory with lighting, humidity and temperature controls for my orchids, anthuriums and palms.  My job situation will now allow me to live in just one location now, so this makes a greenhouse more feasible for daily maintenance and enjoyment.  It’ll be a long term project and I’ll just maintain the anthuriums I already own.
 

 November and December were the months of death for my collection.   Of the 20+ anthuriums I purchased in this first year of collecting, I lost 3 plants that were over $600 total and have several limping along in my large clear plastic tote containers.  The ones in the totes are probably another $800.  I don’t even want to do the math in my head…Ugh.  My friend calls the totes the COVID WARD.

RIP regale.

My regale in better days:

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I'm so sorry you have lost those plants I know how hard it is. But your ultimate plan is a good one. Here are a few photos of my bug Spectabile, her name is Big Georgina. There is a definite difference in how the leaf exits the petiole and geniculum between spectabile and the pseudospec. Spec has 'lift'. Pseudo doesn't. Spec also has a bit of a small sinus sinus...pseudo usually is kinda flat across the top. The petioles of spec are much longer than pseudo. And of course the leaf blades of pseudo are narrower

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Joe, thanks for the comment. My garden is a symbiotic relationship, I feed it with energy and care and in turn gives me enjoyment and peace of mind. Boy, I tried not to sound too sappy. 

I agree with Gina, you’re headed for the right outcome, but hit a few speed bumps along the way. It took, I don’t know how many times, to learn  to pass on expensive bare root palm seedlings, the death rate was astronomical. The rare ones were the first to go. 

Glad your job will facilitate another chance to produce BIG A_ _ LEAVES in the near future. 

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Thank you both for the kind words and encouragement.  Yes, 2022 and onwards will be better years!

 

1 hour ago, metalfan said:

I'm so sorry you have lost those plants I know how hard it is. But your ultimate plan is a good one. Here are a few photos of my bug Spectabile, her name is Big Georgina. There is a definite difference in how the leaf exits the petiole and geniculum between spectabile and the pseudospec.

Yes, I remember a pic you shared of Big Georgina -  An impressive, well-grown specimen. Thanks for the detailed descriptions and photos.  That clarifies things.  I will be sure to compare those photos to my plant when I get up to the house later this week.

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I agree with Gina, you’re headed for the right outcome, but hit a few speed bumps along the way. It took, I don’t know how many times, to learn  to pass on expensive bare root palm seedlings, the death rate was astronomical. The rare ones were the first to go. 

Ah yes, bare root palms - often an expensive and bold undertaking!

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My worst palm losses were my Licuala orbicularis and Licuala cordata. They were received as small plants potted, and were $10 which I thought was a steal at the time. I lost them both to the cold in my big greenhouse heater failure incident in 2010. I still miss them, and am sorry I will never be able to replace them

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Bummer, those are particularly sweet little palms. I used to pine for palm losses, but not anymore. The ones that did well and then died, for whatever reason, I’m just glad I got to enjoy them. The ones that struggled, well…….good riddance. A bit more pragmatic these days. 

So, I have a couple more Anthurium in the garden I thought I’d post some photos of. 

The first I think is A. brownii, again a vigerous grower and hardy.

The second photo is maybe A. veitchiii, still small, but looks healthy.

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Your first one does look like a form of brownii. Its sinus is a lot wider than mine. Your veitchii looks great! Yeah, I got those Licualas years ago from Jeff Marcus. I've looked back at his site from time to tome, never saw him offer them again. Probably just as well ha ha. I will have to be satisfied with my grandis.

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Oh yeah, that looks nice! I thought the same thing about the wide sinus on the A. brownii, but that was my best guess.

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Ok, so another one. I traded some palm seed for this A. decipiens. Haven’t had it that long and surprised is a relatively fast grower. 

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19 hours ago, realarch said:

The second photo is maybe A. veitchiii, still small, but looks healthy.

Tim, great veitchii there.  Well grown ones are so perfect looking they actually look artificial to me; like melted plastic.  Looking at your plant, it reminds me of the veitchii ‘type’ offered by ecuagenera.  I actually have one.  You might be interested in checking out this informative A. Veitchii video on YouTube by ecuagenera comparing the veitchii narrow vs the veitchii type (wide). 
 

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They explain that the ‘wide ‘vs ‘narrow’ pertains to the distance between the horizontal ribbing on the leaves.  And yes, for any Big A_ _ leaf aficionados;)    it appears that the wide type is actually a bigger leaf potential.

After a year of collecting anthuriums, I get suspicious of online vendors claiming dark vs light, wide vs narrow forms to command a higher price; but if ecuagenera says it then I believe it’s legitimate.

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You know, I don't put any stock in these Youtube videos.  Not trying to be 'that person'....but....they do make clear that these are the same plant basically, that they refer to one as 'type' to differentiate it from the other. But referring to the narrow leaf as the 'normal' veitchii is I think misleading. And you know I am a fan of Ecuagenera.

My veitchii's are all almost 20 years old. Conservatively, maybe 16 years. They all arise from a single plant that I bought from Enid Offolter at NSE in about 2004/5. I have vegetatively propagated them over the years and now have a ton of them.

Back then, in the wayback, there was only one type available on the general plant market. One type of veitchii, one type of Philodendron gloriosum, one type of Philodendron verrucosum, one type of warocqueanum......

So by this guy's standards, my very old original gangster veitchii would be called a 'type'? I don't buy that, sorry LOLIMG_5471.thumb.jpg.a47d4981e596176990fff54c9fb10024.jpgIMG_6632.thumb.JPG.5623a44130aab0bb641b021fab03f095.JPG

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37 minutes ago, metalfan said:

So by this guy's standards, my very old original gangster

Ah, interesting perspective especially with that long history you have with them and those photos.  Recalling my genetics classes from looong ago- wondering if the ribbing spacing is a phenotype highly influenced by the environment, cultural conditions.

In any case, those veitchiis look great.

 

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I am not sure when the 'narrow form' came to the attention of the aroid community, but think it is relatively recently. Its the same with the 'dark form' crystallinum, the 'round form' P. gloriosum, the 7+ 'types' of P. verrucosum, the 'dark form' of warocqueanum. Many people are coming around to the belief and voicing their belief that most of these variations are either culturally induced (many folks have commented that after growing the 'darker' warocq that when light conditions have changed the color of their plants leaves did too. The 'round form' of gloriosum seems to be a natural variation. But with veitchii, the form that Ecuagenera is calling the 'type' was definitely the FIRST. IMO they should be calling the narrow form the 'type'.

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Gina, holy moly! Those A. veitchii look perfect, in fact it almost looks like plastic. :D

I noticed that little frog in the first pic….a bit of ambiance eh?

Tim

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6 hours ago, realarch said:

Gina, holy moly! Those A. veitchii look perfect, in fact it almost looks like plastic. :D

I noticed that little frog in the first pic….a bit of ambiance eh?

Tim

I am the frog queen LOL. My frogs make the BEST bench crosses on my anthuriums LOL

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On 1/17/2022 at 9:09 PM, metalfan said:

My worst palm losses were my Licuala orbicularis and Licuala cordata

What adorable little palms, so amazingly symmetrical—-hope you have opportunity to find others in future. Sounds like they are difficult to source.

Love the way the Licualas unfold.  The first one reminds me of my juvenile L. Peltata ‘Sumawongii’ when its leaves first expand.  I. Find the Sumawongii to be even more attractive before the leaves fully unfold and mature as they expand so much that the round leaf folds and ruffles in on itself (even beyond the pleats).  
 

The second photo, from that angle reminds me of a joey palm with scaled down diamond shaped leaves.  

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