Palmageddon Aftermath Photo Thread

[JohnAndSancho]

8 minutes ago, Little Tex said:

There is one that survived in northeast Houston, Fall Creek, South of Humble

Completely not palm related but I do miss the salmon bento box at Asian City. 

[Cade]

 

Houston’s iconic Washingtonia robusta -filifera-filibusta are just about back to normal ! 

#zone9b
Took this picture about 10 days ago .

[Little Tex]

12 hours ago, JohnAndSancho said:

Completely not palm related but I do miss the salmon bento box at Asian City. 

I pass by it frequently but I've never been, is it good?

[JohnAndSancho]

9 hours ago, Little Tex said:

I pass by it frequently but I've never been, is it good?

It is. That was one of my go-to spots when I worked on Old 1960. 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

McDonald’s sabals north Dallas off 635/tollway. All 3 main trunks died but there are probably a dozen trunking volunteers around property 

[Xenon]

Before and after, Houston near Hobby Airport 

[Cade]

Just now, Xenon said:

Before and after, Houston near Hobby Airport 

Nice ! I think I have a picture of that date palm back in November glad to see it’s recovered for the most part 

[Xenon]

Some gifs of I-45/Beltway 8 in Houston...footage is old (2+ months ago)

[Cade]

Bismarck that survived 16° Located  Kemah Boardwalk zone 9B

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

@Cade Palm looks like it's recovering rather well 

T J 

[Cade]

Just now, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

@Cade Palm looks like it's recovering rather well 

T J 

Yes the other two where not so lucky  

[Collectorpalms]

3 hours ago, Cade said:

Bismarck that survived 16° Located  Kemah Boardwalk zone 9B

That one right up against the building facing south.  So the one a few feet away did not survive. https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5478001,-95.0193823,2a,75y,87.24h,90.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_F7z0_4t-tzqzzorO73xpg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

Did any of the queens make it?

[Cade]

1 minute ago, Collectorpalms said:

That one right up against the building facing south.  So the one a few feet away did not survive. https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5478001,-95.0193823,2a,75y,87.24h,90.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s_F7z0_4t-tzqzzorO73xpg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

Did any of the queens make it?

Nope not from what I saw I looked all over for any and none made it . They replaced the queens with smaller ones ,Here are some more pics I took there are more foxtail palms then queens here now lol 

 

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

47 minutes ago, Cade said:

Yes the other two where not so lucky

2 out of 4 of my bizzies made it , only difference was I lost the Xmas lights sometime during for the 2 I lost during Palmageddon 

I much rather plant Bizzies over queens anyday 

T J 

[Collectorpalms]

8 minutes ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

2 out of 4 of my bizzies made it , only difference was I lost the Xmas lights sometime during for the 2 I lost during Palmageddon 

I much rather plant Bizzies over queens anyday 

T J 

I have a Bizzy that made it, Its a miniature.  Planted it as a strap seedling and never has made a trunk.

How do you protect a big Bizzy compared to an easy Queen? Id think that a burnt Bizzy would take longer to grow back and look nice compared to a queen.

[Collectorpalms]

All these Dates are gone?!

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5473712,-95.0177757,3a,75y,29.63h,102.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smyHqnnr6PefTels2F1rokQ!2e0!5s20191201T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[Cade]

1 minute ago, Collectorpalms said:

All these Dates are gone?!

https://www.google.com/maps/@29.5473712,-95.0177757,3a,75y,29.63h,102.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smyHqnnr6PefTels2F1rokQ!2e0!5s20191201T000000!7i16384!8i8192

The only surviving dates are next to the splash pad , Phoenix Dacty didn’t do so well with the freeze lol but next to the nasa space center there is a almost complete line of them I have a picture if you want to see .

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

1 hour ago, Collectorpalms said:

How do you protect a big Bizzy compared to an easy Queen? Id think that a burnt Bizzy would take longer to grow back and look nice compared to a queen.

I trust Bizzies bud hardiness over queens mortality rate in my area anyday. Yes much harder to protect bud less likely to be replaced. Granted this is all a small sample size. 

@Cade All the Dacties survived @ Marina Bay and South Shore and have totally recovered. Most had made it at South Shore and 96 but were replaced cause they weren't uniform anymore. 

T J 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Massive North Dallas Sabal Mexicana off Midway close to the George Bush turnpike. Facing north too 

[Cade]

53 minutes ago, DreaminAboutPalms said:

Massive North Dallas Sabal Mexicana off Midway close to the George Bush turnpike. Facing north too 

Awesome find ! These did incredible here in HTX -9B not a single one burned when temps dropped as low as 14°

[smithgn]

11 hours ago, Cade said:

The only surviving dates are next to the splash pad , Phoenix Dacty didn’t do so well with the freeze lol but next to the nasa space center there is a almost complete line of them I have a picture if you want to see .

Oh man a shame. They’re stunning… and the only Phoenix species that can be grown with some success in South Carolina’s 8A. 
 

are these pictures from coastal Houston?! How is it mature Dactyliferas didn’t survive in a 9B zone but can take colder temperatures (some nurseries list them as a solid 8B palms). What’s the difference? 

[Collectorpalms]

32 minutes ago, smithgn said:

Oh man a shame. They’re stunning… and the only Phoenix species that can be grown with some success in South Carolina’s 8A. 
 

are these pictures from coastal Houston?! How is it mature Dactyliferas didn’t survive in a 9B zone but can take colder temperatures (some nurseries list them as a solid 8B palms). What’s the difference? 

Phoenix Dactilifera is a hardy in arid zone 8, where daytime temperatures rebound and there isn't ice and or snow. But They were mostly scrubbed clean in zone 8b/9a. In the small area of Zone 9b, upper Texas coast, it was more a mixed bag. Dactilfera can get a fungus from cold damage. Certain area 90% survived, others way less.

[Xenon]

2 hours ago, smithgn said:

Oh man a shame. They’re stunning… and the only Phoenix species that can be grown with some success in South Carolina’s 8A. 
 

are these pictures from coastal Houston?! How is it mature Dactyliferas didn’t survive in a 9B zone but can take colder temperatures (some nurseries list them as a solid 8B palms). What’s the difference? 

Phoenix canariensis is significantly more hardy with near zero kill. Phoenix sylvestris also had higher survival rate as well as smaller dactyfilera-types. I think part of the issue with the medjool dates common in commercial landscapes is that they're installed as large specimen palms and don't establish as well as younger palms. 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Xenon

[Collectorpalms]

51 minutes ago, Xenon said:

Phoenix canariensis is significantly more hardy with near zero kill. Phoenix sylvestris also had higher survival rate as well as smaller dactyfilera-types. I think part of the issue with the medjool dates common in commercial landscapes is that they're installed as large specimen palms and don't establish as well as younger palms. 

Established Dactilfera by the truckload in the Galleria/ Post Oak Bld commercial plantings are gone or were replaced. I see that at least one Canary died at the Sheraton. On the removal of so many Dactilfera in commercial sites, I wounder if money hungry landscapers prematurely removed them before they rebounded. I see at one place all 9 were removed and replaced with Sylvestris. Either way, in Houston with diseases for date palms they are likely to died in the future.

[Xenon]

1 hour ago, Collectorpalms said:

Established Dactilfera by the truckload in the Galleria/ Post Oak Bld commercial plantings are gone or were replaced. I see that at least one Canary died at the Sheraton. On the removal of so many Dactilfera in commercial sites, I wounder if money hungry landscapers prematurely removed them before they rebounded. I see at one place all 9 were removed and replaced with Sylvestris. Either way, in Houston with diseases for date palms they are likely to died in the future.

Nearly all of the medjool dates pushed tons of growth (incl Katy and Memorial) and looked like they were well on their way to recovering in spring and then large majority of them dropped dead sometime in the summer so not removed prematurely. Yes, Uptown replaced the dates but the ones that used to line Nasa Rd 1 haven't been replaced last time I saw. There are much much more dead canaries due to "the decline"  than cold.  

[Cade]

6 hours ago, smithgn said:

Oh man a shame. They’re stunning… and the only Phoenix species that can be grown with some success in South Carolina’s 8A. 
 

are these pictures from coastal Houston?! How is it mature Dactyliferas didn’t survive in a 9B zone but can take colder temperatures (some nurseries list them as a solid 8B palms). What’s the difference? 

Yes these are from coastal Houston, I believe the snow/ice is to blame 

[Cade]

Here are some pictures I took in Galveston 1/1/2022

The filifera look great and the dates are coming along decently these are growing right on the seawall so the ocean definitely helped .

 

Edited July 6, 2022 by Cade

[Cade]

phoenix dactylifera In friendswood TX zone 9B 

Two are toast 

[joetx]

Some shots from around Port Aransas spring/summer 2022.

[Cade]

Just now, joetx said:

Some shots from around Port Aransas spring/summer 2022.

Overall survival rate looks as good as Galveston 

[Cade]

Interesting “survivor “ I found this afternoon in Alvin TX zone 9B a baby Bismarck trying to survive. 

[NBTX11]

Flew out of Houston Bush airport the other day. Took Hwy 8 going in and Loop 610 on my way back. Surprisingly found a good percentage of pure looking Robusta alive. All hybrid-ish ones seemed to be thriving. Further out I saw a greater percentage of dead Robusta. Saw a few queens that looked like had been replanted. What happened to all the date palms that used to line I10 on the west side of Houston?  Did all of them die off?  If so, surprised none lived. 

[Cade]

2 minutes ago, NBTX11 said:

Flew out of Houston Bush airport the other day. Took Hwy 8 going in and Loop 610 on my way back. Surprisingly found a good percentage of pure looking Robusta alive. All hybrid-ish ones seemed to be thriving. Further out I saw a greater percentage of dead Robusta. Saw a few queens that looked like had been replanted. What happened to all the date palms that used to line I10 on the west side of Houston?  Did all of them die off?  If so, surprised none lived. 

The city removed them . Robusta seemed to have done great around the inner city 

[NBTX11]

5 minutes ago, Cade said:

 . Robusta seemed to have done great around the inner city 

 

 

I noticed that. Was pleasantly surprised. Saw dead ones outside of the city center.  For example going out towards Katy I saw a lot of dead ones, but some still alive there. 

Edited July 8, 2022 by NBTX11

[Cade]

3 minutes ago, NBTX11 said:

I noticed that. Was pleasantly surprised. Saw dead ones outside of the city center.  For example going out towards Katy I saw a lot of dead ones

Did you come across any Bismarck or pigmy dates that where recently planted?

[NBTX11]

1 minute ago, Cade said:

Did you come across any Bismarck or pigmy dates that where recently planted?

No I was driving too fast to really take a good look at things. I happened to notice recently planted queens but that’s it. 

[Xenon]

55 minutes ago, NBTX11 said:

Flew out of Houston Bush airport the other day. Took Hwy 8 going in and Loop 610 on my way back. Surprisingly found a good percentage of pure looking Robusta alive. All hybrid-ish ones seemed to be thriving. Further out I saw a greater percentage of dead Robusta. Saw a few queens that looked like had been replanted. What happened to all the date palms that used to line I10 on the west side of Houston?  Did all of them die off?  If so, surprised none lived. 

The dates in Katy and Memorial all pushed growth in spring and then dropped like flies in the summer.  Not sure if it was delayed bud damage or secondary infection. 

I'm in eastern Katy and it's pretty much the last outpost for the occasional straggler "pure/near-pure robusta". The fairly thin trunked hybrids that most people would call robusta survived in droves. Survival of "pure robusta" ramps up quickly near Beltway 8, especially in the north and west. The southern ring of Houston inside BW8 and south of US-59 on the SW +/- as well as the the bay adjacent suburbs is still robusta land. 

[NBTX11]

2 hours ago, Xenon said:

The dates in Katy and Memorial all pushed growth in spring and then dropped like flies in the summer.  Not sure if it was delayed bud damage or secondary infection. 

I'm in eastern Katy and it's pretty much the last outpost for the occasional straggler "pure/near-pure robusta". The fairly thin trunked hybrids that most people would call robusta survived in droves. Survival of "pure robusta" ramps up quickly near Beltway 8, especially in the north and west. The southern ring of Houston inside BW8 and south of US-59 on the SW +/- as well as the the bay adjacent suburbs is still robusta land. 

Question for those in Houston.  Are there many old Filifera like all the old tall ones in San Antonio.  I seemed to remember a few when driving through Houston before, but I did not notice any on this trip.  All I saw was Robusta and Hybrids.

[Xenon]

26 minutes ago, NBTX11 said:

Question for those in Houston.  Are there many old Filifera like all the old tall ones in San Antonio.  I seemed to remember a few when driving through Houston before, but I did not notice any on this trip.  All I saw was Robusta and Hybrids.

Filifera or even very filifera looking palms are not common, you have to really look to find them 

[Cade]

30 minutes ago, NBTX11 said:

Question for those in Houston.  Are there many old Filifera like all the old tall ones in San Antonio.  I seemed to remember a few when driving through Houston before, but I did not notice any on this trip.  All I saw was Robusta and Hybrids.

There is a nice pair of Filifera by my house and a few at the outside area of baybrook mall .