Palmageddon Aftermath Photo Thread

[Little Tex]

Is there any documented surviving unprotected queens in SA or Austin? there was a few in Houston and surrounding suburbs. 

[thyerr01]

Unfortunately the large Bismarckia at Caldwell nursery has not recovered after Palmageddon. Apparently it flushed out a decent set of leaves towards the end of last year and then declined over winter. There's still some green in there but it appears to be on the way out. 

The Arenga engleri in the ground looked ok, and they had a lot of large palms in stock - mostly Arengas, Triangles, Queens, and Mules.

[GoatLockerGuns]

11 hours ago, Little Tex said:

Is there any documented surviving unprotected queens in SA or Austin? there was a few in Houston and surrounding suburbs.

I am not aware of any.  All of the Queens I knew of bit the dust.  I think there is an entire thread on Queen palms in SA:

 

[GoatLockerGuns]

More volunteer shots, this time along the San Antonio River north of downtown.  These pictures were taken yesterday on a hike I took in and around Brackenridge Park.

First up, what appear to be Rhapidophyllum hystrix.  They are not really planted with any design in mind that I could see, so if they are not volunteers, then they may be some sort of "gorilla" planting/seeding on public land.  Near one of these palms, somebody constructed a makeshift feline homeless campsite.

The rest of these are Sabal sp. volunteers.  Some of these are really big.  Most have very long petioles and massively large, spreading crowns.  I placed my hat on some of the fronds for scale.

Not sure if this was an ornamental planting or a volunteer, but it was massive.  Car and person in background for scale:

Some obvious (and very old) ornamental plantings in the nearby park.  The palm on the left of the first picture (foreground) looks like it might be a Washingtonia sp.:

A nice looking clump of Chamaerops humilis var. humilis in a median strip nearby.  Looks like three of six trunking specimens in this clump survived the 2021 freeze event, along with some new suckers coming up.

 

 

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Richardson TX palm survivors

[Little Tex]

On 3/9/2022 at 6:23 PM, knikfar said:

Beautiful photos! Seeing all the surviving CIDP, I’m wondering if a CIDP x Butia x Jubaea hybrid might produce something super hardy. Assuming that combo is even possible 

I don't think so, CIDP are in a different family than Butia and Jubaea

[Xenon]

Urban Houston is almost back to "normal" again if you ignore the dead trunks and absence of queens...

[NBTX11]

Here’s my front yard Filifera. This was about a month ago so basically a year post freeze. I lost a skyduster Robusta twice as tall as this. I recently planted 4 new Filifera seedlings throughout my front and back yards. I’m done worrying about freezes. I love the way they look anyways. 

[Little Tex]

I know, I love all the San-Antonio Filiferas!

[TonyDFW]

One year after 3F in Dallas. 

[Swolte]

2 hours ago, TonyDFW said:

 Dang, look at that Brahea (Armata?)

[GoatLockerGuns]

On 4/1/2022 at 5:55 PM, Little Tex said:

I don't think so, CIDP are in a different family than Butia and Jubaea

I think, technically, they are in the same Family; namely, the Arecaceae family.  I assume the intent of this comment was to address the degrees of separation that would make a hybrid from the Phoenix Genus highly unlikely with those from the Butia or Jubaea Genera.  In that case, I concur.  While in the same Family, they are in different Subfamilies, Tribes/Subtribes.  I believe the taxonomic separation between the aforementioned Genera look as follows:

Arecaceae (Family)

-Arecoideae (Subfamily)

--Cocoseae (Tribe)

---Attaleinae (Subtribe)

----Butia (Genus)

----Jubaea (Genus)

-Coryphoideae (Subfamily)

--Phoeniceae (Tribe)

---Phoenix (Genus)

As I understand it, because Butia and Jubeae are in the same Subtribe, they are more closely related and have better luck at hybridization.  The same can be said for other Genera in the Attaleinae Subtribe, like Syagrus for example.  At least, that is what I understand from the research I have read.

[Sabal King]

Seeing the sabals in this thread reinforces owning them, and LOTS of them for this exact reason!  love it.

[Little Tex]

@GoatLockerGuns

sorry, I meant sub family, thanks

Phoenix are in the subfamily with the palmate.

[knikfar]

14 hours ago, TonyDFW said:

One year after 3F in Dallas. 

Is the tall one a filibusta? 

[GoatLockerGuns]

On 3/26/2022 at 6:59 PM, amh said:

Off topic, but about how many red buckeyes are growing in the area?

I believe there are some Yellow Buckeyes (Aesculus pavia var. flavescens) at Friedrich Wilderness Park (29.636746, -98.630850).

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Some pics from Plano/Richardson area. Sabal Mexicana continues to be the winner in these parts. 
 

pic 1: 5 dead palmetto trunks

pic 2: 2 dead Filifera trunks and one live Sabal Mexicana 

pic 3: Sabal Mexicana 

pic 4: 2 x Sabal mexicana

pic 5: Sabal Mexicana 

Edited April 4, 2022 by DreaminAboutPalms

[DreaminAboutPalms]

Downtown Dallas. Two in first pic initially pushed green but are now dead

[DreaminAboutPalms]

West Plano.

Sabal Mexicana: 1

trachycarpus: 0

[TonyDFW]

More palm survivors in Dallas. One year after the deep freeze one growing season accomplished. Last winters low was 20F

[BeyondTheGarden]

That Brahea is something else!

[amh]

There is a surviving robusta at the car wash near the intersection of Blanco and Huebner.

[TonyDFW]

B. Armata, and Sabal Louisiana , 2 months after and 14 months after a low  of 3F, with 10 consecutive days below freezing in Dallas. 

[TonyDFW]

C. Humilis cerifera and B. Armata 2 months after and 14 months after slow of 3F, with 10 consecutive days below freezing in Dallas.

[TonyDFW]

Butia XJubeaXJubea
Survived 2021

[TonyDFW]

My butiaXjubeaXsyagrus hybrid came through last winters 20F. And the previous winters 3F

[TonyDFW]

Dallas garden over the years

[BeyondTheGarden]

@TonyDFW I'm assuming you protected that ButiaxJubaea x Syagrus during the 3f incident? 

[TonyDFW]

Two Sabal Lisas, 1 growing season after the deep freeze of Dallas 2021.

[TonyDFW]

Jubea chilensis one growing season  after the deep freeze in Dallas. 

[TonyDFW]

 one growing season  after the deep freeze in Dallas. 

[TonyDFW]

Another washingtoniana we planted survived 2021 I’m Dallas as a seedling. 

[NBTX11]

On 3/26/2022 at 9:10 PM, Little Tex said:

Is there any documented surviving unprotected queens in SA or Austin? there was a few in Houston and surrounding suburbs. 

Not that I’m aware of. I saw one that tried to push something but when I went back a couple months later it was gone. Probably died. 

[Meangreen94z]

https://www.weather.gov/media/ewx/wxevents/ewx-20210218.pdf
interesting data 

[Cade]

Dead Filifera and a decent looking robusta 

 

 

Houston suburbs (9B)

[Collectorpalms]

4 hours ago, Cade said:

Dead Filifera and a decent looking robusta 

 

 

Houston suburbs (9B)

Washington Filifera 9b? What intersection suburb town is this? They are just not as reliable in a humid wet environment after they have been through an extreme event. I experienced this first hand. Some made it, middle single digits but then declined the following spring/summer. Surprised any died outright from the cold in 9b, the combo of rain humidity soil type and moderate winter damage has to be to blame.

Edited April 11, 2022 by Collectorpalms

[Collectorpalms]

On 4/5/2022 at 8:54 PM, Jesse PNW said:

@TonyDFW I'm assuming you protected that ButiaxJubaea x Syagrus during the 3f incident? 

He doesn’t often reply to individual questions, though I did get him to reply to a personal message! but I did see him say he protected some things like the Jubaea, so I have to assume he could have or it was covered in a snow drift, or maybe the growing bud was still underground. My much larger one died unprotected. It was a rather weakling hybrid palm I do not miss. 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Collectorpalms

[Collectorpalms]

On 4/7/2022 at 5:58 PM, TonyDFW said:

Another washingtoniana we planted survived 2021 I’m Dallas as a seedling. 

Do you think the location helped? lol 

[Collectorpalms]

Do you think the location next to walls or buildings helped. Naw! 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Collectorpalms

[Collectorpalms]

On 4/9/2022 at 11:01 PM, Meangreen94z said:

https://www.weather.gov/media/ewx/wxevents/ewx-20210218.pdf
interesting data 

Interesting, how do you mean? 

Edited April 11, 2022 by Collectorpalms