My Patrick Schafer Hybrids

[matthedlund]

Hey folks! Not to change the subject, but I've been meaning to share my Jubaea X Syagrus from Patric. I bought it as a strap-leaf seedling in 2017 and it was slow growing at first, but has really picked up speed the last year. The odd thing to me is how waxy the palm is! It's rather silver looking. Does anyone else have any close up photos of their JxS petioles they can share? I don't have much to compare it against.

[NWpalms@206]

3 hours ago, matthedlund said:

Hey folks! Not to change the subject, but I've been meaning to share my Jubaea X Syagrus from Patric. I bought it as a strap-leaf seedling in 2017 and it was slow growing at first, but has really picked up speed the last year. The odd thing to me is how waxy the palm is! It's rather silver looking. Does anyone else have any close up photos of their JxS petioles they can share? I don't have much to compare it against.

That’s a nice one! You have a Parajubaea x B/J of Patrick’s also? Should post that one too! 

[matthedlund]

1 hour ago, NWpalms@206 said:

That’s a nice one! You have a Parajubaea x B/J of Patrick’s also? Should post that one too! 

I've got a few of his hybrids planted out, I can snap some photos tomorrow. 

[matthedlund]

15 hours ago, matthedlund said:

I've got a few of his hybrids planted out, I can snap some photos tomorrow. 

Alright folks, I have plenty of small palms, but here are the largest of Patric's hybrid palms I have.  The darkest green one is Parajubaea cocoides x Jubaea chilensis. Then the larger one in ground is Butia x Parajubaea torallyi and in the container is Butia x Parajubaea sunkha,

[Chester B]

@matthedlund those look great.  Have you ever protected, or do you leave them be?  I have Bx PJS growing out as well.  Not big enough to go in the ground for another couple years I think.

[matthedlund]

2 hours ago, Chester B said:

@matthedlund those look great.  Have you ever protected, or do you leave them be?  I have Bx PJS growing out as well.  Not big enough to go in the ground for another couple years I think.

I wrapped my Butia x Parajubaea torralyi and Parajubaea cocoides x Jubaea last winter for about 7 days during a freak coldspell. Otherwise I haven't, so the coldest they've seen unprotected is probably about 22 degrees. The Butia x Parajubaea sunkha and the Jubaea x Syagrus will be planted out in the spring as they're filling in 15 gallon pots well.

[Chester B]

1 hour ago, matthedlund said:

I wrapped my Butia x Parajubaea torralyi and Parajubaea cocoides x Jubaea last winter for about 7 days during a freak coldspell. Otherwise I haven't, so the coldest they've seen unprotected is probably about 22 degrees. The Butia x Parajubaea sunkha and the Jubaea x Syagrus will be planted out in the spring as they're filling in 15 gallon pots well.

That's great to hear.

[Scott W]

Sadly my Jubaea x butia purpurascens did not make it, but the dwarf Butia purchased from him is still alive and doing great.  Both were planted in identical containers with the same growing medium.

Oh well....maybe I'll order another someday.

[Eric33]

Received yesterday

from left to right ...

Butia yatay x Jubaea chilensis

Butia sp x Parajubaea torallyi

Butia sp x Allagoptera arena

[RJ]

On 11/1/2022 at 5:10 PM, matthedlund said:

Hey folks! Not to change the subject, but I've been meaning to share my Jubaea X Syagrus from Patric. I bought it as a strap-leaf seedling in 2017 and it was slow growing at first, but has really picked up speed the last year. The odd thing to me is how waxy the palm is! It's rather silver looking. Does anyone else have any close up photos of their JxS petioles they can share? I don't have much to compare it against.

That has a much greener base then mine. Almost looks jxb 🤔

[matthedlund]

On 11/15/2022 at 6:36 AM, RJ said:

That has a much greener base then mine. Almost looks jxb 🤔

That's what I've secretly been fearing in the back of my mind. Can you share pics of yours?

[Gallop]

Matt, here is a  pic of JXB.

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Gallop

[RJ]

7 hours ago, matthedlund said:

That's what I've secretly been fearing in the back of my mind. Can you share pics of yours?

I can, judging by the green you have I would *guess* that yours is a cross with yatay. I’ll try to grab a pic later today. My jxs has no hooks, but neither do any of my yatay crosses with Jubaea in either direction. 

[RJ]

6 hours ago, Gallop said:

Matt, here is a  pic of JXB.

 

I see hooks on yours , so my assumption is that’s a cross with a standard butia. Correct? 

[Gallop]

1 hour ago, RJ said:

I see hooks on yours , so my assumption is that’s a cross with a standard butia. Correct? 

Randy, yes that is correct. 

[matthedlund]

11 hours ago, Gallop said:

Matt, here is a  pic of JXB.

 

Sorry if I wasn't clear, I meant to ask if could you post a picture of the petioles of your J x S please? It would mean the world to me.

[matthedlund]

5 hours ago, RJ said:

I can, judging by the green you have I would *guess* that yours is a cross with yatay. I’ll try to grab a pic later today. My jxs has no hooks, but neither do any of my yatay crosses with Jubaea in either direction. 

If you have a JxS, post pics!

[RJ]

4 hours ago, matthedlund said:

If you have a JxS, post pics!

Sorry, needed to wait till I got home. Sorry for the poor light it was getting dark. 

[matthedlund]

1 hour ago, RJ said:

Sorry, needed to wait till I got home. Sorry for the poor light it was getting dark. 

Oh yeah, that's an entirely different looking plant. Well shoot, what do I have then? It's from Patric from 2016, sold as JxS.

[RJ]

14 hours ago, matthedlund said:

Oh yeah, that's an entirely different looking plant. Well shoot, what do I have then? It's from Patric from 2016, sold as JxS.

As noted, the plant you posted looks very much like a yatay cross to my eyes. I have both JxY and YxJ. If I were to take a stab based on my plants. I’d say YxJ . Just a guess though. 😏

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

Anyone received a Patric order in the last couple months ? Or even gotten a updated inventory list from him ? Now that it's starting to feel a little cooler could be a good time to make another order = ) 

T J 

[Gallop]

8 hours ago, OC2Texaspalmlvr said:

Anyone received a Patric order in the last couple months ? Or even gotten a updated inventory list from him ? Now that it's starting to feel a little cooler could be a good time to make another order = ) 

T J 

Here you go TJ.

 

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

4 hours ago, Gallop said:

Here you go TJ.

Thank you sir 🙏🏽 

T J 

[Chester B]

Looks like he's not immune to inflation either.  Glad I bought mine when I did, but I'm sure I'll get weak again at one point.

[Tom in Tucson]

In another thread I recently posted some images of the P. Schafer hybrid BJxQ which is on that current list. As I stated, it is not only my fastest growing palm, it's also the best looking "mule palm" that I've seen. My only palm that comes close to being as fast is his JxQ, which he apparently has trouble with in producing more seed. Here is a link to some images which are unfortunately embedded in my "jungle", so the full majesty of this hybrid is hidden from view.

Click on the original option for the largest view.

https://pbase.com/mamman/bj_x_q

Hi 104˚, Lo 74˚

[SailorBold]

1 hour ago, Tom in Tucson said:

In another thread I recently posted some images of the P. Schafer hybrid BJxQ which is on that current list. As I stated, it is not only my fastest growing palm, it's also the best looking "mule palm" that I've seen. My only palm that comes close to being as fast is his JxQ, which he apparently has trouble with in producing more seed. Here is a link to some images which are unfortunately embedded in my "jungle", so the full majesty of this hybrid is hidden from view.

Click on the original option for the largest view.

https://pbase.com/mamman/bj_x_q

Hi 104˚, Lo 74˚

Those are amazing.. Tucson has got to be the perfect place for those mules.. and the tropical look they bring over queen palms considering their ultimate fails at in AZ..

No problems with yellowing obviously there!

Looks great..

[Gallop]

10 hours ago, Tom in Tucson said:

In another thread I recently posted some images of the P. Schafer hybrid BJxQ which is on that current list. As I stated, it is not only my fastest growing palm, it's also the best looking "mule palm" that I've seen. My only palm that comes close to being as fast is his JxQ, which he apparently has trouble with in producing more seed. Here is a link to some images which are unfortunately embedded in my "jungle", so the full majesty of this hybrid is hidden from view.

Click on the original option for the largest view.

https://pbase.com/mamman/bj_x_q

Hi 104˚, Lo 74˚

Here is a picture of my P Schafer BJxS. I recently planted out another one as I’m curious to see if it will look similar to this one. 

[Eric33]

On 9/11/2023 at 3:39 PM, Gallop said:

Here you go TJ.

 

This list is great, but is it really from Patrick ?

He still doesn't respond to emails ;-)

 

[Gallop]

1 hour ago, Eric33 said:

This list is great, but is it really from Patrick ?

He still doesn't respond to emails ;-)

 

Yes, it’s really from Patrick. My advice is to be patient. It may take some time for him to get back to you but from experience he always pulls through. 

[Tom in Tucson]

14 hours ago, Gallop said:

Here is a picture of my P Schafer BJxS. I recently planted out another one as I’m curious to see if it will look similar to this one. 

Getting another one, will likely just make the area look even better! It's nice to see that other growers are achieving results comparable to mine. When I bought this hybrid, I also bought a ByxQ (Butia yatay X queen) because of the awesome one grown in LA by a member whose user name eludes me ATM (Keith something). His took so much freeze damage, that I think he finally had it removed. When I originally wanted to match his result (before the freeze), and was placing the order with Mr. Schafer, he said he had a nice large BJxQ too, so I ordered both. The ByxQ is also good looking, just not as fast (so far). I'm glad I ordered both.

Hi 96˚, Lo 70˚ - rain most of the day - 3/4"

Edited September 13, 2023 by Tom in Tucson

[OC2Texaspalmlvr]

15 hours ago, Gallop said:

Here is a picture of my P Schafer BJxS

You have an amazing collection of Patrix hybrids growing in your garden. 

T J 

[Butiagrus]

On 9/12/2023 at 2:46 PM, Gallop said:

Here is a picture of my P Schafer BJxS. I recently planted out another one as I’m curious to see if it will look similar to this one. 

That's a really wonderful one! How many years since seedling? Mine only gave me problems and never really grew up since 10 years 🤐

[Gallop]

1 hour ago, Butiagrus said:

That's a really wonderful one! How many years since seedling? Mine only gave me problems and never really grew up since 10 years 🤐

I believe this one is 13-14yrs old.

[Butiagrus]

Mine after 11 years from seedling including 3 years in the ground. He has always kept max 2 green leaves at a time, the rest of them got black spots quick and turn brown in a year, very slow growth rate too. I hoped it would have get better with time but seems like not.. 😂

(BXJ)XQ - 11yo

 

 

Has a comparison I also got a Butia yatay X Syagrus from Patrick the same year (2012) and it's a master piece, I love it and it grows like a rocket. It has almost identical growing conditions than the above (BXJ)XQ

 

ByXQ - 11yo

[Tom in Tucson]

On 9/12/2023 at 8:04 PM, Tom in Tucson said:

Getting another one, will likely just make the area look even better! It's nice to see that other growers are achieving results comparable to mine. When I bought this hybrid, I also bought a ByxQ (Butia yatay X queen) because of the awesome one grown in LA by a member whose user name eludes me ATM (Keith something). His took so much freeze damage, that I think he finally had it removed. When I originally wanted to match his result (before the freeze), and was placing the order with Mr. Schafer, he said he had a nice large BJxQ too, so I ordered both. The ByxQ is also good looking, just not as fast (so far). I'm glad I ordered both.

Hi 96˚, Lo 70˚ - rain most of the day - 3/4"

Just an update of the user whose name eluded me when I was posting: @_Keith

Hi 104˚, Lo 64˚ Sep 16

[Tom in Tucson]

11 hours ago, Butiagrus said:

Mine after 11 years from seedling including 3 years in the ground. He has always kept max 2 green leaves at a time, the rest of them got black spots quick and turn brown in a year, very slow growth rate too. I hoped it would have get better with time but seems like not.. 😂

(BXJ)XQ - 11yo

 

 

Has a comparison I also got a Butia yatay X Syagrus from Patrick the same year (2012) and it's a master piece, I love it and it grows like a rocket. It has almost identical growing conditions than the above (BXJ)XQ

 

ByXQ - 11yo

That (By)xQ is what I hope mine becomes some day.

The mystery of your BJxQ can probably be explained by assuming that in the seed which the "mother" produced, yours was one of the "runts of the litter". This type of thing can sometimes happen when creating hybrids, so it's always a gamble. 

Hi 104˚, Lo 64˚ Sep 16

[Gallop]

On 9/17/2023 at 2:19 AM, Butiagrus said:

Mine after 11 years from seedling including 3 years in the ground. He has always kept max 2 green leaves at a time, the rest of them got black spots quick and turn brown in a year, very slow growth rate too. I hoped it would have get better with time but seems like not.. 😂

(BXJ)XQ - 11yo

 

 

Has a comparison I also got a Butia yatay X Syagrus from Patrick the same year (2012) and it's a master piece, I love it and it grows like a rocket. It has almost identical growing conditions than the above (BXJ)XQ

 

ByXQ - 11yo

Your B yata x syagrus is really nice!

[Butiagrus]

Thanks for the Yataygrus 😄!

A picture from 2 years ago when he had plenty of water and no wind during summer (the leaves were perfect!)

Yes hybrids (and Butia in general) are gamble I agree, at least I got a bad and a cool one 😉

Edited September 20, 2023 by Butiagrus

[Gallop]

On 10/14/2021 at 10:34 PM, smithgn said:

What in the world is the cross listed as Butia X butia lallemantia X  S. Romanfzoffiana x (Allegretensis) ?

 

it’s a Butia crossed with a hybrid of a lallemantia and queen palm? What’s the Allegretensis?

 

No price next to it but worth inquiring about…

I have a couple of these I put in ground about a year ago. They have been steady growers. 

 

Edited October 2, 2023 by Gallop

[Mattpalm28]

Anyone had any issues being sent to the uk? Mine were stopped at customs