Fallen Munk Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 Decided to start a thread to keep track of the growth of these two hybrids that I got from Patrick Schafer on December 5th. yatay X jubaea and jubaea X yatay. The smaller of the two is the jubaea X yatay and it took some damage in shipping but it's doing fine. The yatay X jubaea is the bigger of the two and it also has some damage from the tag being tied tight and high up on the meristem. Leaves are coming out a bit deformed from that, but it will grow out of it. They are putting on some good growth in the three weeks since they arrived. First photo is right after they arrived and I potted them up on Dec. 5th, second photo is today, Dec 27th. They went full pinnate about a week after they arrived. I'll try to update this thread about once per month with some growth updates. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh76 Posted December 27, 2020 Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 That's some great growth in just three weeks... especially given the time of year! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted December 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Josh76 said: That's some great growth in just three weeks... especially given the time of year! Yeah, I'm very impressed with that so far. Especially since in my experience they tend to sulk a bit when you pot them up to a bigger size. These are already sending roots out of the drainage holes of the new pots. I'm not sure if I want to pot them up to 5 gallon or go straight into the ground in the spring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartolution Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 Super cool @Fallen Munk Ill be watching along. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregVirginia7 Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 What is it you want out of this hybrid. I see both are trunking pinnates. Are you looking for faster growth? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 54 minutes ago, GregVirginia7 said: What is it you want out of this hybrid. I see both are trunking pinnates. Are you looking for faster growth? Yes. I think that's why these hybrids exist. A faster growing Jubaea with minimal look of a Butia. I think that's why he uses yatay because it's less recurved usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjv Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 I bought the same two hybrid (from PS) and gave my son the Y x J, as he preferred to have what should be the faster of the two hybrids.... when I received my specimens (Dec 2019) they were smaller in size. The ones you received might be from the same batch, as mine now looks similar to yours pictured here. The J x Y I kept is still in a one gal pot and I might bump it up in the spring... at present I plan to keep it in a pot for a couple of years, due to the lack of a proper place to plant it. Look forward to seeing up dates on your palms ! 1 Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAndSancho Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 @Fallen Munk what did these run you if you don't mind me asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 42 minutes ago, JohnAndSancho said: @Fallen Munk what did these run you if you don't mind me asking? I don't remember exactly but I think about $75 ea. They were under $200 shipped. The J x Y was a bit more than the Y x J for some reason. And that's the smaller of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAndSancho Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 That's really not too bad. I've paid around that for a couple of my more normal and boring palms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 3 hours ago, iamjv said: when I received my specimens (Dec 2019) they were smaller in size. The ones you received might be from the same batch, as mine now looks similar to yours pictured here. Likely. I paid a bit more for the bigger "band size" rather than "liner". You probably bought the liner size back in 2019. I'm assuming that your Jubaea dominant is growing slower than the Yatay dominant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted December 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, JohnAndSancho said: That's really not too bad. I've paid around that for a couple of my more normal and boring palms. Agreed. I could have saved a bit more by getting liner size but it was only about $15-$20 difference I think. Worth paying just a bit extra to shave off a year or two of waiting for them to grow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyDFW Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Here is my yatay x Jubea hybrid from Patric. Growing in Dallas. If has been a moderate to fast grower. 13 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAndSancho Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) Good Lord that's gorgeous @TonyDFW I need to get a house so I'll have room for more palms. Y'all are a terrible influence. Edited December 29, 2020 by JohnAndSancho Tagged owner 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted December 29, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 26 minutes ago, TonyDFW said: Here is my yatay x Jubea hybrid from Patric. Growing in Dallas. If has been a moderate to fast grower. Massive growth for 4 years! I hope mine grows that fast! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Chance Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, TonyDFW said: Here is my yatay x Jubea hybrid from Patric. Growing in Dallas. If has been a moderate to fast grower. That's beautiful! Going to be a beast in another 5 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knikfar Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 How hardy do you anticipate these being? I wish I could find a pinnate palm hardy enough to survive long term here in Raleigh, NC. People try butias and they usually do well for several years before being taken out by an arctic blast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted January 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 4 hours ago, knikfar said: How hardy do you anticipate these being? I wish I could find a pinnate palm hardy enough to survive long term here in Raleigh, NC. People try butias and they usually do well for several years before being taken out by an arctic blast. If a Butia can't survive in your area, I'd seriously doubt that these would either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96720 Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 Those are beautiful palms! How do you get a response from Patrick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamjv Posted January 2, 2021 Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 On 12/28/2020 at 11:40 AM, Fallen Munk said: Likely. I paid a bit more for the bigger "band size" rather than "liner". You probably bought the liner size back in 2019. I'm assuming that your Jubaea dominant is growing slower than the Yatay dominant? You may be correct on the liner versus band size! There was a size difference to begin with, the Y x J being larger of the two and the last time I saw the Y x J at my son house, it's even bigger now.... Tony's up in Dallas looks amazing.... I'm hoping these look similar !!! Jv 1 Jv in San Antonio Texas / Zone 8/extremes past 29 yrs: 117F (47.2C) / 8F (-13.3C) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted January 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 hours ago, 96720 said: Those are beautiful palms! How do you get a response from Patrick First, make sure you have the right email address. coolhybrids@yahoo.com is the current one. Then ask for his available palms list and be patient. And finally, know what you want without a bunch of back and forth. Both the species and the size. You will find his communication short and to the point and I get the impression he doesn't want a new friend so just take care of business. Imagine a drug deal, except with palms and everything will go smooth. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Fallen Munk said: First, make sure you have the right email address. coolhybrids@yahoo.com is the current one. Then ask for his available palms list and be patient. And finally, know what you want without a bunch of back and forth. Both the species and the size. You will find his communication short and to the point and I get the impression he doesn't want a new friend so just take care of business. Imagine a drug deal, except with palms and everything will go smooth. This is hilarious. Also, know that Patric reads every post on this board - when he is over here hybridizing, he's always commenting on something I said or posted on PT. I definitely do consider Patric a friend - he may be an acquired taste, but you serve my palette well, Patric. 3 Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necturus Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said: This is hilarious. Also, know that Patric reads every post on this board - when he is over here hybridizing, he's always commenting on something I said or posted on PT. I definitely do consider Patric a friend - he may be an acquired taste, but you serve my palette well, Patric. Patric is the boss. He probably has no idea who I am, but I've ordered a lot from him. Requested three or four JxS at once and was told no, only one at time. The BxPJTs are growing at an amazing rate and look really unique. My BxPJSs are also picking up steam. Really grateful for his work. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, necturus said: Patric is the boss. He probably has no idea who I am, but I've ordered a lot from him. Requested three or four JxS at once and was told no, only one at time. The BxPJTs are growing at an amazing rate and look really unique. My BxPJSs are also picking up steam. Really grateful for his work. It's going to be interesting to see what the Monty hybrids he is creating here turn into. I'm excited for that. 1 Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted January 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 14 hours ago, Ben in Norcal said: This is hilarious. Also, know that Patric reads every post on this board - when he is over here hybridizing, he's always commenting on something I said or posted on PT. I definitely do consider Patric a friend - he may be an acquired taste, but you serve my palette well, Patric. Well said. I do wonder why so many friends of his spell his first name wrong though. FWIW, in his correspondence with me he spells it Patrick with a "k". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in Norcal Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 54 minutes ago, Fallen Munk said: Well said. I do wonder why so many friends of his spell his first name wrong though. FWIW, in his correspondence with me he spells it Patrick with a "k". You will note he uses different spellings - usually without a "k." 1 Ben RogersOn the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffy Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 23 hours ago, Fallen Munk said: Well said. I do wonder why so many friends of his spell his first name wrong though. FWIW, in his correspondence with me he spells it Patrick with a "k". Typically, he's spelled it Patric in his emails to me over the past 12 years. Recently, he's spelled it Patrix in his last few emails. He's also spelled it Patriv. He's an artist. He can call himself whatever he pleases. I'm just thankful. 6 Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F / '22-'23: 6F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted January 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 54 minutes ago, buffy said: Typically, he's spelled it Patric in his emails to me over the past 12 years. Recently, he's spelled it Patrix in his last few emails. He's also spelled it Patriv. He's an artist. He can call himself whatever he pleases. I'm just thankful. Well sure. I was just trying to be polite to him as possible and felt a bit embarrassed that I might have spelled his name wrong in my first correspondence. Probably just a big pet peeve of mine when someone contacts me and spells my name wrong, or calls me by the wrong name totally. It's just a personal thing for me, forget I mentioned it please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alohas Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 (edited) I have many hybrids from Patric in my garden, here's a few pics of them yatay x jub in the back Bp x PJc On the left Jub x queen shade grown yatay x queen Edited January 4, 2021 by alohas synthaxe 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted January 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 1 hour ago, alohas said: I have many hybrids from Patric in my garden, here's a few pics of them Wow, those are all really nice! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jubutia Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Hello Alohas, very nice hybrids. Amazing! What are the lowest temps they survived? Thank you. Happy Growing Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alohas Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Thanks ! Lowest temp they were confronted with was 19°F. There was also à few ice days (max temp 32). Jub x queen seems really bulletproof, very fast grower too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necturus Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 Beautiful garden and palms, alohas! I enjoy looking at Le Forum des Fous de palmiers even though it's hard to follow through Google Translate. You all are definitely pushing the boundaries of what can be grown in your beautiful country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alohas Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 hours ago, necturus said: Beautiful garden and palms, alohas! I enjoy looking at Le Forum des Fous de palmiers even though it's hard to follow through Google Translate. You all are definitely pushing the boundaries of what can be grown in your beautiful country. Thank you! I didn't suspect that Le Forum des Fous de Palmiers had international readers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96720 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 What’s a monty hybrid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, 96720 said: What’s a monty hybrid? I wondered the same thing a few months ago but Ben put it together for me. Patric is creating one particular hybrid using pollen from Ben's Syagrus schizophillia x Syagrus romanzoffiana (otherwise known as "coco queen" or Syagrus x montgomeryana) to pollinate Butia. He calls it Butia x Monty. Edited January 6, 2021 by Fusca 2 Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96720 Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 Thanks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnAndSancho Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) @Fallen Munk pure opinion question but do you think one of the yatay x jubia hybrids would do decent in a pot on a patio for a year or 2? I'm giving away a queen and a majesty and I have no idea when I'll own a home when I can stick it in the dirt. SETX for what it matters. Just about in the middle between Houston and Dallas, and I've seen how well they do in Dallas Edited January 6, 2021 by JohnAndSancho Added location Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Munk Posted January 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, JohnAndSancho said: @Fallen Munk pure opinion question but do you think one of the yatay x jubia hybrids would do decent in a pot on a patio for a year or 2? I'm giving away a queen and a majesty and I have no idea when I'll own a home when I can stick it in the dirt. SETX for what it matters. Just about in the middle between Houston and Dallas, and I've seen how well they do in Dallas Yes, but growth will be slower IMO. And you'd have to be careful to make sure it got frequent water because pots dry out quickly and I've noticed that my Jubaea and Butia like water. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyDFW Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 This is my BJ x Queen from Patric growing 2 years in Dallas. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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