Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 Im sure you all can spot the Trachy in the corner of the building to the left. This is in Harvey Cedars on Long Beach Island New Jersey. Dont know when the photo was taken but I am only 25 minutes away so i may take a ride to go see it. This is a 7a/7b zone. Maybe an 8a microclimate as its protected from north and west winds. Link to website. http://www.harveycedars.org/ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) Nice find but not too unusual to find a small recently planted Trachy in 7a. The large ones are hard to find because people don't protect them and they eventually die. That one will most likely die if not protected. It is planted in a good spot between two walls and a rock thing. Edited June 2, 2020 by Allen YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf), brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1), Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7), 15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1), Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants. Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Allen said: Nice find but not too unusual to find a small recently planted Trachy in 7a. The large ones are hard to find because people don't protect them and they eventually die. That one will most likely die if not protected. It is planted in a good spot between two walls and a rock thing. I hope to go take a ride and see it soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, Nj Palms said: I hope to go take a ride and see it soon. I just looked up the zone and it's 7b not 7a as I thought so it probably has better chances in that spot except for multiple cold day vortex years. Edited June 2, 2020 by Allen YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf), brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1), Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7), 15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1), Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants. Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, Allen said: I just looked up the zone and it's 7b not 7a as I thought so it probably has better chances in that spot except for multiple cold day vortex years. I will check some temp records. The protection from the winds is big. Should have a long life as long as it’s not abused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Nj Palms said: I will check some temp records. The protection from the winds is big. Should have a long life as long as it’s not abused. I just went to my goto temp year Jan 2018 and it had multiple days of trachy killing cold in that zipcode. Jan 1 (6F), Jan 2 (10F), Jan 3 (4F), Jan 6 (7F), Jan 7 (0F). Highs most of those days well below freezing. I would say the palm pictured as located would have died in 2018 unprotected. YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf), brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1), Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7), 15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1), Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants. Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 The latest street view of this on Google Maps is 2015. It wasn't there at that time apparently. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7048356,-74.1350775,3a,39.3y,292.91h,86.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVyXrcVFQY03qbaWlJD3ENA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 8 minutes ago, kinzyjr said: The latest street view of this on Google Maps is 2015. It wasn't there at that time apparently. https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7048356,-74.1350775,3a,39.3y,292.91h,86.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVyXrcVFQY03qbaWlJD3ENA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Just saw that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, Allen said: I just went to my goto temp year Jan 2018 and it had multiple days of trachy killing cold in that zipcode. Jan 1 (6F), Jan 2 (10F), Jan 3 (4F), Jan 6 (7F), Jan 7 (0F). Highs most of those days well below freezing. I would say the palm pictured as located would have died in 2018 unprotected. That winter was very bad. I check the wunderground stations in the area I will do some more research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, Nj Palms said: That winter was very bad. I check the wunderground stations in the area I will do some more research. I just checked 2014 and Jan had a ton of cold events there. One -2F. They seem to have worse temps than my 7a in TN when looking back. YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf), brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1), Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7), 15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1), Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants. Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, Allen said: I just checked 2014 and Jan had a ton of cold events there. One -2F. They seem to have worse temps than my 7a in TN when looking back. What website are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, Nj Palms said: What website are you using? This is Jan 2014. This is from the Nj state climatologist certified weather station. It is exposed to all elements and in an open area. A lot of people use the weather channel for temps but it is not as accurate than the actual station. here is the link: https://www.njweather.org/station/316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted June 2, 2020 Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Nj Palms said: This is Jan 2014. This is from the Nj state climatologist certified weather station. It is exposed to all elements and in an open area. A lot of people use the weather channel for temps but it is not as accurate than the actual station. here is the link: https://www.njweather.org/station/316 I used weather underground and for historical data I think it switched me to another nearby station without me noticing. But anyway the temps above would still probably kill the palm pictured in the location it's in. So I think it would have to be protected at least every few years at best. YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@tntropics - 60+ In-ground 7A palms - (Sabal) minor(7 large + 27 seedling size, 3 dwarf), brazoria(1) , birmingham(4), etonia (1) louisiana(5), palmetto (1), riverside (1), (Trachycarpus) fortunei(7), wagnerianus(1), Rhapidophyllum hystrix(7), 15' Mule-Butia x Syagrus(1), Blue Butia capitata(1) +Tons of tropical plants. Recent Yearly Lows -1F, 12F, 11F, 18F, 16F, 3F, 3F, 6F, 3F, 1F, 16F, 17F, 6F, 8F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nj Palms Posted June 2, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Allen said: I used weather underground and for historical data I think it switched me to another nearby station without me noticing. But anyway the temps above would still probably kill the palm pictured in the location it's in. So I think it would have to be protected at least every few years at best. Yes I agree. Hopefully the microclimate will help it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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