DAVEinMB Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 At a nursery here in Myrtle Beach - was transplanted from Florida some time last year. The picture doesn't do it justice, this thing is a monster. Price tag on it is in the $10k ballpark 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmatierMeg Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 Oh my. Beautiful old palm with a hefty price tag. Hope it finds a new home and survives another 100 years. 1 Quote Meg Palms of Victory I shall wear Cape Coral (It's Just Paradise) Florida Zone 10A on the Isabelle Canal Elevation: 15 feetI'd like to be under the sea in an octopus' garden in the shade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmarum Posted December 10, 2019 Report Share Posted December 10, 2019 Wowness, If Palms could talk, what stories could he tell. 1 1 Quote South Florida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartolution Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 How did they determine its age? Im curious. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 I presume butias are slow growers. Quote 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meangreen94z Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) I would believe 45 years old in the ideal climate of Florida, not sure on 145. Who was planting South American palms in Florida in 1875? We have similar size or bigger locally in the 30-50 year range. I could be wrong, just my opinion. Edited December 11, 2019 by Meangreen94z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtlesteve Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Yeah I'm not buying 145 years either, but it's still a nice palm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Age information came from whoever they bought it from in Florida so I'm not sure how accurate it is. Florida is a vastly different growing climate from us but it's easily twice as big as anything grown locally - height and trunk diameter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meangreen94z Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 It’s a beautiful Butia regardless, nice straight trunk for its size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCFM Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 8 hours ago, DAVEinMB said: At a nursery here in Myrtle Beach - was transplanted from Florida some time last year. The picture doesn't do it justice, this thing is a monster. Price tag on it is in the $10k ballpark Wow, that is one huge butia. Probably the biggest I've ever seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 I would call BS too... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Next time I get over there I'll see if I can get more info on the tree's background and some better pics showing its overall size. They did say that this was supposedly the oldest butia in Florida which also sounds like it could be a fabrication. Unfortunately I can only go off what they're saying and hope that the story hasn't been tweaked too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusca Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 17 hours ago, DAVEinMB said: Price tag on it is in the $10k ballpark 145 year old claim is probably a sales tactic to try and justify the price. Nice palm though. 1 Quote Jon Sunder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, Fusca said: 145 year old claim is probably a sales tactic to try and justify the price. Nice palm though. Yea I can def see that. They said roughly 5 grand of the tree's price is tied up in the crane and whatnot needed to move it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 13 hours ago, Dartolution said: How did they determine its age? Im curious. The more I think about it.... prolly old Florida folklore haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 There are much larger butia's all over here in Charleston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Laaz said: There are much larger butia's all over here in Charleston. It's amazing how much different Charleston is compared to here considering it's not terribly far down the coast. The largest butia here are in the 15' to maybe 20' range overall. Owner of the nursery that big boy is at says it's 30' tall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darold Petty Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Only 145 years ? How about 434 years, documented ? I visited this Chamaerops several years ago. Assuming it to be a withered remnant, I was pleasantly surprised to see it so vigorous, it fills its protective building! I witnessed the gardeners cutting off mature stems to control the palm's volume. http://www.ortobotanicopd.it/en/palma-di-s-pietro-chamaerops-humilis-l 2 Quote San Francisco, California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted December 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, Darold Petty said: Only 145 years ? How about 434 years, documented ? I visited this Chamaerops several years ago. Assuming it to be a withered remnant, I was pleasantly surprised to see it so vigorous, it fills its protective building! http://www.ortobotanicopd.it/en/palma-di-s-pietro-chamaerops-humilis-l Sweet fancy moses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oasis371 Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Give me a break! I live in the far north (NJ/Zone 7a) and this species, which I do love, grows like a weed! Not in the least a "slow grower"..., at least not here. (I protect my three "monsters" in a loft garage from late November till late Feb/early March.) These are my most robust, vigorous growers..., no comparison. They are nice palms and don't get the respect they deserve. Edited December 11, 2019 by oasis371 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darold Petty Posted December 11, 2019 Report Share Posted December 11, 2019 Yes, both Butia and Chamaerops are really solid palms! Quote San Francisco, California Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OC2Texaspalmlvr Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Can we really give credit for age of a clustering palm ? I get the palm has been growing in the same spot for a long time but honestly a 145yr old Butia sounds more impressive imho Quote T J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartolution Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 hours ago, DAVEinMB said: The more I think about it.... prolly old Florida folklore haha within all probability. Why don't we have a "my palm is older than yours" thread? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVEinMB Posted December 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 10 hours ago, Dartolution said: within all probability. Why don't we have a "my palm is older than yours" thread? lol I like it, haha Well I have the oldest palmetto in north America in my back yard so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 Not sold on the age, but if they need a place to plant it because it won't sell, I have a space open 3 Quote Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted December 12, 2019 Report Share Posted December 12, 2019 18 hours ago, Darold Petty said: Only 145 years ? How about 434 years, documented ? I visited this Chamaerops several years ago. Assuming it to be a withered remnant, I was pleasantly surprised to see it so vigorous, it fills its protective building! I witnessed the gardeners cutting off mature stems to control the palm's volume. http://www.ortobotanicopd.it/en/palma-di-s-pietro-chamaerops-humilis-l When I was visiting Padova in 1985 Goethe’s Palm was only 400 yr old since planting: And this Jubaea at Kew’s in 1986 only 140 yr (killed a couple years ago by Goofies): 3 Quote My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cikas Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 More like 40-50 years old. Definitely not 145 years old. Too small for that age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jungle Jas. Posted December 13, 2019 Report Share Posted December 13, 2019 On 12/12/2019 at 3:09 PM, Pal Meir said: When I was visiting Padova in 1985 Goethe’s Palm was only 400 yr old since planting: And this Jubaea at Kew’s in 1986 only 140 yr (killed a couple years ago by Goofies): Not goofies I'm afraid, just morons. It should have been transplanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 I'd be really surprised that a Florida-grown Butia of that size was 145 years old. There's another thread here about ancient Butia in FL, with some much bigger trees that are clearly not that old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLM Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 5:58 PM, Palmarum said: Wowness, If Palms could talk, what stories could he tell. Im sure hurricanes would be mentioned lol Quote Palms - 4 S. romanzoffiana, 2 W. bifurcata, 6 W. robusta, 1 R. rivularis, 1 B. odorata, 1 B. nobilis, 2 S. palmetto, 1 A. merillii, 2 P. sylvestris, 1 Butia x Jubaea, 1 Butia x Jubaea x Butia x Syagrus, 1 X Butiagrus nabonnandii, 2 L. chinensis, 1 Cocos nucifera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jcalvin Posted December 19, 2019 Report Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) On 12/11/2019 at 1:11 PM, Laaz said: There are much larger butia's all over here in Charleston. https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/60992-old-butia/ Scan down. I posted some Butias from around here. Most people are moving on to CIPD's, Dactlifera and other date palms down here in SE Georgia. Besides the natural growing Sabal Palms, I think Butia was once the go-to, designer, pinnate palm in the SE around the turn of the 20th century. Edited December 19, 2019 by Jcalvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikSJI Posted December 28, 2019 Report Share Posted December 28, 2019 Is there another nursery in Florida that was importing palms before the reasoner brothers? Royal palm nurseries. They started in 1880s. I have seen much larger butias then that around 60yr old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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