Eric in Orlando Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Ptychosperma elegans just east of downtown Sanford. 7 Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 Here are the coconuts in Sanford, just east of downtown and on the south side of Lake Monroe/St. John's River. The street is still flooded from Hurricane Ian. 5 Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanK Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 On 8/16/2022 at 9:27 AM, Eric in Orlando said: Any chance WDW will off a $20 ticket for folks to walk around and photograph plants? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthFLA Posted October 17, 2022 Report Share Posted October 17, 2022 At Legoland Florida (former Cypress Gardens) in Winter Haven, FL. There is a coconut with 40+ feet of wood in the old section of the original garden. Most of the park has been converted to themed rides but you can find this palm in a small area was preserved. This is the tallest coconut (not transplanted) in the central Florida area to my knowledge. This palm is surrounded by other cold sensitive species. I'd estimate the age of this Cocos nucifera to be around 20 years old. There must be a strong micro-climate with the nearby lake. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 Also east of downtown Sanford, a very impressive planting of 6 mature Hyophorbe verschaffeltii (along with Adonidia). 4 Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantking165 Posted October 18, 2022 Report Share Posted October 18, 2022 Gonna be going into the colder weather soon gonna have to protect the cocos. Looking like it's gonna be a very cold winter. Been in the ground for 5 months the base on the big one is 6 1/2 inches width and 19 inch circumference. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borderline Tropical Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Quick drop by and snapped a closeup of the coconuts at the Sojoma restaurant on Osceola pkwy at Hunter's Creek. Interesting to see how the soil around are covered by large pebbles. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbean Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 Update on the UCF Beccariophoenix palms 5 2 Brevard County, Fl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRabbit Posted November 4, 2022 Report Share Posted November 4, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 12:02 PM, SouthFLA said: At Legoland Florida (former Cypress Gardens) in Winter Haven, FL. There is a coconut with 40+ feet of wood in the old section of the original garden. Most of the park has been converted to themed rides but you can find this palm in a small area was preserved. This is the tallest coconut (not transplanted) in the central Florida area to my knowledge. This palm is surrounded by other cold sensitive species. I'd estimate the age of this Cocos nucifera to be around 20 years old. There must be a strong micro-climate with the nearby lake. Good find! There’s one in Belle Isle that’s about the same size actually. Sarasota also has a few this size inland, but I’m guessing you’re defining Central Florida more as the Lakeland through Deltona area. 1 Westchase | 9b 10a ◆ Nokomis | 10a ◆ St. Petersburg | 10a 10b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoconutGambler352 Posted November 23, 2022 Report Share Posted November 23, 2022 On 10/17/2022 at 9:01 AM, Eric in Orlando said: Here are the coconuts in Sanford, just east of downtown and on the south side of Lake Monroe/St. John's River. The street is still flooded from Hurricane Ian. THIS is what I enjoy. Witnessing Plants/Trees/Palms growing/thriving in zones you'd NEVER expect. JUST these Coconuts doing as fantastic as they've been proves an absolute lot with my own ideas for Coconuts ADAPTING or EVOLVING into MORE cold hardy areas. The results from these adaptations and or EVOLVING could perhaps produce a NEW variant of Cocos. Call me crazy but it'll become real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted December 17, 2022 Report Share Posted December 17, 2022 On 11/23/2022 at 6:03 AM, CoconutGambler352 said: THIS is what I enjoy. Witnessing Plants/Trees/Palms growing/thriving in zones you'd NEVER expect. JUST these Coconuts doing as fantastic as they've been proves an absolute lot with my own ideas for Coconuts ADAPTING or EVOLVING into MORE cold hardy areas. The results from these adaptations and or EVOLVING could perhaps produce a NEW variant of Cocos. Call me crazy but it'll become real The Orlando and Sanford areas have some really good microclimates. The coconuts by the lake are have grown and are more easily viewable now that the water has receded. The Ptychosperma elegans has an inflorescence. The coconuts at the mosque on Myrtle Street took some minor to moderate damage in January, but look good going into this winter and are holding some coconuts. 4 2 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted December 19, 2022 Report Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 11/3/2022 at 8:06 PM, Jimbean said: Update on the UCF Beccariophoenix palms I wonder if the leans are from the hurricanes. Mine got pushed over after Ian and again after the Nicole. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 Driving down Goldenrod yesterday, saw a big coconut behind a Citgo gas station. Found a pic on Google maps from almost a year ago. Looked in good shape...maybe had some damaged fronds cut off already or just over trimmed. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borderline Tropical Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 (edited) I ran by to the I-Drive coconut today. Looks great after two hurricanes and the cold event. Edited January 3 by Borderline Tropical 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishinsteeg234 Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 While working out in the Clermont area this week, I saw a nice A. cunninghamiana and a C. oliviformis from the roadside. This area of Clermont is bordering Winter Garden, but this area I thought was marginal zone 9B. The cunninghamiana (in Clermont) is along a golf course in full sun, and has a shuttlecock appearance in the fronds (the wind was blowing too). This neighborhood is gated, I could not find any google street views to confirm the age. The oliviformis (in Winter Garden) was planted just outside of a neighborhood wall, in sight from Marsh Rd driving into Clermont. This area faired well from the last cold event it appears, several mangoes and small coconuts appearing from behind the road walls show little to no signs of browning at all. The oliviformis was also setting seed. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 My bottle palm took the brunt of damage this winter. Coconut fared well likely from supplemental heat. Interestingly, no damage to my adonidia merrillii which historically has been very sensitive. Foxtail and beccariophoenix fared well. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 10 hours ago, pj_orlando_z9b said: My bottle palm took the brunt of damage this winter. Coconut fared well likely from supplemental heat. Interestingly, no damage to my adonidia merrillii which historically has been very sensitive. Foxtail and beccariophoenix fared well. Your combination of both formal and tropical landscaping is very appealing, taking full advantage of your siting in a mild metro area with water modification. The coconut palm looks great holding all of those coconuts. Have any of the coconuts reached maturity and sprouted yet? Adonidia merrillii seems somewhat variable as a species, along with its extended family members: Wodyetia bifurcata, Carpentaria acuminata, and Veitchia arecina. There are some of each species that take heavy damage with frost, and others that seem not to mind 28F-30F. The old Bottle Palm up the hill and the one next to Wood Lake look exactly like yours in regard to foliar damage. None of them look like they will pass on to the mulch pile, but it is annoying waiting until May/June for them to look full again. 1 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJames Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 13 hours ago, pj_orlando_z9b said: My bottle palm took the brunt of damage this winter. Coconut fared well likely from supplemental heat. Interestingly, no damage to my adonidia merrillii which historically has been very sensitive. Foxtail and beccariophoenix fared well. My yard is jealous! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 On 1/30/2023 at 10:55 PM, kinzyjr said: Your combination of both formal and tropical landscaping is very appealing, taking full advantage of your siting in a mild metro area with water modification. The coconut palm looks great holding all of those coconuts. Have any of the coconuts reached maturity and sprouted yet? Adonidia merrillii seems somewhat variable as a species, along with its extended family members: Wodyetia bifurcata, Carpentaria acuminata, and Veitchia arecina. There are some of each species that take heavy damage with frost, and others that seem not to mind 28F-30F. The old Bottle Palm up the hill and the one next to Wood Lake look exactly like yours in regard to foliar damage. None of them look like they will pass on to the mulch pile, but it is annoying waiting until May/June for them to look full again. Thanks! I have been able to harvest coconuts for water but none have reached maturity yet. I think the winter chill does them in. My bottle is pushing out new fronds but given its slower growing, it may look ugly for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 On 1/31/2023 at 1:27 AM, NickJames said: My yard is jealous! It takes some TLC for sure. I went through 3 propane tanks for the coconut on Christmas. Any new growth from the recent heat? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickJames Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 28 minutes ago, pj_orlando_z9b said: It takes some TLC for sure. I went through 3 propane tanks for the coconut on Christmas. Any new growth from the recent heat? The royals, definitely…the adonidia and coconuts, no :’( 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkue Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 In Oviedo , minor burn to Areca palms, 270+, no damage to Bismarck, minor to adonidia, minor to coconut multiple varieties, no damage to liviistonia decipiens, no damage to royals, I pulled the bottle palms inside. No damage to fiddle leaf or ficus elastica on back porch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cocoforcoconuts Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 On 11/23/2022 at 4:03 AM, CoconutGambler352 said: THIS is what I enjoy. Witnessing Plants/Trees/Palms growing/thriving in zones you'd NEVER expect. JUST these Coconuts doing as fantastic as they've been proves an absolute lot with my own ideas for Coconuts ADAPTING or EVOLVING into MORE cold hardy areas. The results from these adaptations and or EVOLVING could perhaps produce a NEW variant of Cocos. Call me crazy but it'll become real I've thought about this as well. While we all hate cold snaps and wish them away, so long as they are not 1962 or 1983 style land scorchers (freezers?), they only serve to select for the fittest/hardiest palms and help in the long run. Like as terrible as 2010 was, that strong directional selection almost certainly guaranteed lesser harm from a future equal cold event. Of course this is a double edged sword as this is also advantageous for the many tropical invasive species in south Florida of both flora and fauna. Wouldn't be surprised to see Burmese pythons slowly expanding northward (even before factoring in climate change as well) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoforcoconuts Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 On 12/17/2022 at 12:44 PM, kinzyjr said: The Orlando and Sanford areas have some really good microclimates. The coconuts by the lake are have grown and are more easily viewable now that the water has receded. The Ptychosperma elegans has an inflorescence. The coconuts at the mosque on Myrtle Street took some minor to moderate damage in January, but look good going into this winter and are holding some coconuts. How long have these been in the ground? Impressive height Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 1 hour ago, cocoforcoconuts said: How long have these been in the ground? Impressive height There used to be Adonidia merrillii triples there, but the December 2010 cold snap heavily damaged them. The triples can still be seen on the April 2011 Google Street View of the area. The first time the coconuts show up on the Google Street View is June 2013. They had to have been planted sometime between April 2011 and June 2013, but the exact date I don't know. 1 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoforcoconuts Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, kinzyjr said: There used to be Adonidia merrillii triples there, but the December 2010 cold snap heavily damaged them. The triples can still be seen on the April 2011 Google Street View of the area. The first time the coconuts show up on the Google Street View is June 2013. They had to have been planted sometime between April 2011 and June 2013, but the exact date I don't know. Sorry, I was specifically referring to the cocos in front of the mosque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakreeh Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 5 hours ago, cocoforcoconuts said: Sorry, I was specifically referring to the cocos in front of the mosque This is absolutely amazing! When I go on my Florida trip in 2024 I can stop by and see the coconut palm and stick around for Asr prayer. I am surprised to see coconuts that far north, seems like there really is a good urban heat island building there. Definitely I plan on staying updated about any cocos in the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 15 hours ago, cocoforcoconuts said: Sorry, I was specifically referring to the cocos in front of the mosque They must have been planted sometime between 2013 and 2017. The mosque was still under construction in July 2013 and the oldest photos I can find of them are in August 2017: August 2017: May 2018: Shows the damage from the Jan. 2018 Freeze April 2022: Shows the damage from the Jan. 2022 cold snap 2 1 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 16 hours ago, kinzyjr said: They must have been planted sometime between 2013 and 2017. The mosque was still under construction in July 2013 and the oldest photos I can find of them are in August 2017: August 2017: May 2018: Shows the damage from the Jan. 2018 Freeze April 2022: Shows the damage from the Jan. 2022 cold snap Hopefully they recover. I can't tell if there is any green. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 I'm happy that you can now see my coconut emerging above the house line when driving down the street. Also my beccariophoenix just gets bigger each frond. Orlando needs more of these palms planted. No damage in 2018 28F or from the persistent Christmas cold. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric in Orlando Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 2 Cocos growing at a house a few blocks east of Leu Gardens... 5 1 Eric Orlando, FL zone 9b/10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 Another microcosm of the shift due to Lethal Bronzing. At the entrance to the Orlando Vineland Premium Outlets: Before (02/2020): Phoenix dactylifera in the median, some obviously dying from Lethal Bronzing. After (03/2023): These palms have recently been replaced by crownshaft palms. 2 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 @kinzyjrit's definitely hitting the North side of Orlando now. The highway plantings of Sylvestris and Dactylifera are dying or already dead in most locations. So far almost all the deaths have been within a mile of a major highway (417, 429, I4, etc), which is really odd. A local Hyundai stealership planted about 30 Dactylifera when they built the place, I spotted one 75% dead one last week. The rest will probably follow soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Merlyn said: @kinzyjrit's definitely hitting the North side of Orlando now. The highway plantings of Sylvestris and Dactylifera are dying or already dead in most locations. So far almost all the deaths have been within a mile of a major highway (417, 429, I4, etc), which is really odd. A local Hyundai stealership planted about 30 Dactylifera when they built the place, I spotted one 75% dead one last week. The rest will probably follow soon. I imagine a few are already infected when they buy them, but they aren't showing symptoms at that point. Once they're in the ground, they just start dropping off as it spreads. This particular area of Orlando is a good place to use a few crownshaft palms. From looking at the WeatherUnderground captures on the Florida winter threads, it generally stays milder than most non-coastal areas in Central FL there on the radiational cooling nights . At the Plantae-palooza sale at Hollis Gardens, I spoke with at least a dozen people who wanted to know why most of the date palms in the area were dead or dying. The conversation started with Lethal Bronzing and ended with "please plant something else." One individual ended up buying an Archontophoenix alexandrae after it was explained that they had less chance of losing it to unusual cold than losing a Phoenix sylvestris to Lethal Bronzing. No doubt that the same advice will be handed out at the Leu Gardens 2023 Spring Plant Sale this weekend. The tour guides from the city at the CFPACS 2022 Fall Meeting agreed planting Phoenix canariensis, dactylifera, or syslvestris on the I-4 corridor is basically a 6-month to 1-year rental agreement at this point. They just had to remove three huge Phoenix dactylifera from in front of the Bank of America building because they were starting to decline. When they planted the Wodyetia bifurcata triple there, it would have been a safe bet to assume the date palms would outlive the Foxtails. The first one to get infected is in the box: 2 Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlyn Posted March 5 Report Share Posted March 5 @kinzyjra few years ago I would have bet on the Dactys too. I think in most of Orlando you could get away with several different Archontos, Royals, several Dypsis/Chrysolidocarpus (Lastelliana, Leptocheilos, Lanceolata, etc), Elaeis Guineensis, and probably a lot of other similar-sized Phoenix replacements. I was really surprised at how hardy the Elaeis are, I have a normal and a whole leaf here that took minimal damage in the mid to upper 20s. I think most non-palm-people would see an Elaeis and not be able to tell it's not a Phoenix... I stopped by the stealership today and it looks like the two "dying" Dactylifera are actually fresh plantings. They may be infected, but it's hard to say. It could be transplant shock, it could be LB... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Tex Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 17 hours ago, Merlyn said: I think most non-palm-people would see an Elaeis and not be able to tell it's not a Phoenix... Its funny some elaeis look like a phoenix/syagrus hybrids, well how I would imagine them too look since its not possible. 1 Inground- 1x Syagrus romanzoffiana 2x Livingstona Chinensis 5x Phoenix Robelleni In Pots- 3x Sabal Mexicana 5x Phoenix dactylifera 4x Sabal Palmetto 3x Livingstona Chinensis 3x Ravenea Rivularis 6x Cycas Revoluta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 (edited) On 3/5/2023 at 11:01 AM, kinzyjr said: I imagine a few are already infected when they buy them, but they aren't showing symptoms at that point. Once they're in the ground, they just start dropping off as it spreads. This particular area of Orlando is a good place to use a few crownshaft palms. From looking at the WeatherUnderground captures on the Florida winter threads, it generally stays milder than most non-coastal areas in Central FL there on the radiational cooling nights . At the Plantae-palooza sale at Hollis Gardens, I spoke with at least a dozen people who wanted to know why most of the date palms in the area were dead or dying. The conversation started with Lethal Bronzing and ended with "please plant something else." One individual ended up buying an Archontophoenix alexandrae after it was explained that they had less chance of losing it to unusual cold than losing a Phoenix sylvestris to Lethal Bronzing. No doubt that the same advice will be handed out at the Leu Gardens 2023 Spring Plant Sale this weekend. The tour guides from the city at the CFPACS 2022 Fall Meeting agreed planting Phoenix canariensis, dactylifera, or syslvestris on the I-4 corridor is basically a 6-month to 1-year rental agreement at this point. They just had to remove three huge Phoenix dactylifera from in front of the Bank of America building because they were starting to decline. When they planted the Wodyetia bifurcata triple there, it would have been a safe bet to assume the date palms would outlive the Foxtails. The first one to get infected is in the box: The CIDPs at Semoran and Lee Vista get replaced once a year. You would think they'd learn by now. Edited March 13 by pj_orlando_z9b 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pj_orlando_z9b Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 (edited) The beccariophoenix phoenix at the entrance to Leu Gardens is a monster. I thought mine was getting big until I was reminded this weekend. That trunk is almost the size of my wagon! The ones inside are also looking nice Edited March 13 by pj_orlando_z9b 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donalt Posted March 16 Report Share Posted March 16 Great to see beccariophoenix alfredii getting some size ! Maybe 5 years more we will be seeing some real beauties around Florida. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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