What is your current yard temperature?

[Foxpalms]

11 minutes ago, Phil Petersen said:

I've found the app to be sometimes equal to, or more often 2degC lower than the real time readings from the local NZmetservice station in the city. I've never seen the forecast function on the app so maybe I'm not using all of its functions. 

If you click on the name of you're location at the bottom it shows the forecast. It's currently saying it's -1c here in London when it's currently 1.5c so it's a bit off but most forecasts are lower for central London. That's why I always add 1-2c onto the BBC and metoffice temperatures. For example the BBC said the high would be 2c today and it was 3.5c.

Edited December 15, 2022 by Foxpalms

[UK_Palms]

6 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

If you click on the name of you're location at the bottom it shows the forecast. It's currently saying it's -1c here in London when it's currently 1.5c so it's a bit off but most forecasts are lower for central London. That's why I always add 1-2c onto the BBC and metoffice temperatures. For example the BBC said the high would be 2c today and it was 3.5c.

What part of London are you actually in? Like can you be specific? Maybe you have one of the best microclimates in the city and the UK, or your temp recordings are slightly off. I suppose you are accounting for street level and in a protected back yard. That does suggest London back yards are milder than what Met stations out in the open at parks and airports reflects.

I see St James Park in central London, which is right out in the open, still managed to get to 3.7C / 38F. So at street level it may have reached about 4C / 39F in the most protected areas of London. Although St James Park also went down to a shocking low of -4.4C / 24F last night. Coldest night there in 5 years. Again that station is located in an open park though. Even at street level I don't see how the most protected parts of London could have escaped at least -2C / 28F last night, or even -3C / 26F.

I am always bigging up London's climate and how mild it is, but there's no way I can see stuff like Archontophoenix, Beccariophoenix, Kentia etc surviving long term. They will do fine most winters, but get totally zapped every 10-20 years during a freeze like this one. The CIDP's and Washies will be fine. As for crownshafts, Rhopalostylis Sapida is a much better option and bigger specimens would be long term in mild area of London. I would say Juania too, but I'm not sure if they will handle the summer heat during 'hot' years.

I am back down to -6C / 20F here again now. This freeze is just brutal. That spot we have been mentioning on the far southeast Kent coast around Margate, Broadstairs, Ramsgate area is holding up at 4-5C / 40F so far again tonight. Definite microclimate there. It's loaded with CIDP and Washingtonia, which is unsurprising. That area seems to hold out best during northerly arctic blasts as it is closer to the continent, however it can be badly affected during easterly continental blasts like Feb 2018.

 

Haven't posted anything from that area really before on here. It's a goldmine, despite its proximity to the continent. Decent microclimate still.

Edited December 16, 2022 by UK_Palms

[Foxpalms]

3 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

What part of London are you actually in? Like can you be specific? Maybe you have one of the best microclimates in the city and the UK, or your temp recordings are slightly off. I suppose you are accounting for street level and in a protected back yard. That does suggest London back yards are milder than what Met stations out in the open at parks and airports reflects.

I see St James Park in central London, which is right out in the open, still managed to get to 3.7C / 38F. So at street level it may have reached about 4C / 39F in the most protected areas of London. Although St James Park also went down to a shocking low of -4.4C / 24F last night. Coldest night there in 5 years. Again that station is located in an open park though. Even at street level I don't see how the most protected parts of London could have escaped at least -2C / 28F last night, or even -3C / 26F.

I am always bigging up London's climate and how mild it is, but there's no way I can see stuff like Archontophoenix, Beccariophoenix, Kentia etc surviving long term. They will do fine most winters, but get totally zapped every 10-20 years during a freeze like this one. The CIDP's and Washies will be fine. As for crownshafts, Rhopalostylis Sapida is a much better option and bigger specimens would be long term in mild area of London. I would say Juania too, but I'm not sure if they will handle the summer heat during 'hot' years.

I am back down to -6C / 20F here again now. This freeze is just brutal. That spot we have been mentioning on the far southeast Kent coast around Margate, Broadstairs, Ramsgate area is holding up at 4-5C / 40F so far again tonight. Definite microclimate there. It's loaded with CIDP and Washingtonia, which is unsurprising. That area seems to hold out best during northerly arctic blasts as it is closer to the continent, however it can be badly affected during easterly continental blasts like Feb 2018.

 

Haven't posted anything from that area really before on here. It's a goldmine, despite its proximity to the continent. Decent microclimate still.

In the borough of Hammersmith and Fulham, where I am is surrounded by more houses and a bit more dense than the wunderstation stations nearby though. The nearest wunderground station got to -3c but it's close to a few green spaces and it's not particularly close to me. The Norfolk Island pine and bougainvillea aren't too far away from here. The back gardens aren't particularly big in London and because of how dense all the houses are, it means there isn't much greenery around to cool the temperature. In my garden to try and make it the best possible microclimate for where I live I put loads of mulch in the garden and made a good sized pond. There are also few good sized patios and eucalyptus tree canopy that seems to break up the cold air. The warmest part is near the house and patio there against the brick wall where I have the most mulch and the pond is also near by so all the heat from the water as it rises rather than going straight into the atmosphere it gets trapped under the eucalyptus so it holds the heat in better. There are warmer parts of central London but what I've noticed is that because the days have been so cold and there isn't much heat for all the concrete to absorb even the covent garden stations have been close in temperature to here whilst usually they would be about 1c warmer during the coldest night of the year. My weather station is a Davis vantage vue. If you have ever gone to the Christmas theme park winter wonderland in Hyde park its always cold and windy but when you walk into Mayfair and Knightsbridge from there in the winter you always feel and instant rise in the temperature, even just by walking into the road away from the park. And obviously the further you are away from that and the more buildings you are away from large green spaces it will be even warmer. In my opinion the city of London near the Thames is the warmest part of London the coldest there has been 29f/-1.6c. The covent garden wunderground station had a low of -1.8c/28.6f and the other one close to there -2.2c/28f but that one has a few medium sized green spaces near it that's why it's slightly colder. Apart from the fact that the more houses around you the more concrete radiating heat off ect , this won't be as significant but all the houses with their heating on and the steam rising into the atmosphere that's also got to  somewhat help even if it's only slightly. Secondly the more dense parts will have more co2 particles in the atmosphere which will to a degree act sort of like clouds reducing the amount of heat escaping into the atmosphere. There is also a weather station labelled as  Westminster but it's in Fitzrovia in a very dense part which hasn't gone below -1.3c. What I can say is that if kentia palms, bougainvillea and Norfolk Island pines in London are undamaged or not very damaged by this which is a bad freeze, the wunderground stations (of course there may be some that are off) readings must be accurate. My personal opinion and from personal experience, London back gardens are significantly warmer than parks where the metoffice stations are. Also by just doing a few things to create a microclimate is definitely helps.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Foxpalms

[Foxpalms]

@UK_Palmskentias, king palms and Beccariophoenix alfredii should be fine long term here in my opinion, but things such as laccospadix australasica and Cyphophoenix, are the types of palms that I might plant here and expect that it could die during one of these once every 10-20 year events.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Foxpalms

[sandgroper]

Currently 29c.

[GottmitAlex]

Wunderbar!!

[amh]

35F, with a dew point of 32F. 

[Tyrone]

16.5C at 7.30pm after a high of 20.5C. Mild. 

[UK_Palms]

Bottomed out at -8.2C / 17F last night, my coldest night in 5 years. Currently 0C / 32F at midday now and hoping temperatures recover further before another hard radiation freeze yet again tonight. This has been the most brutal run of radiation frosts that I can ever remember.

 

Relief is in sight however. On Monday morning I will be waking up to temperatures more than 20C warmer than what I have experienced this morning. It shows just how extreme this current cold setup really is. The mild westerlies cannot come soon enough!

Edited December 16, 2022 by UK_Palms

[Foxpalms]

@UK_PalmsHow are the queen palms looking. If you need to unfortunately replace them there are some in the palmcentre on eBay and facebook.The forecast looks good next week. I hope the rest of the winter is mild. I will be going to the south coast for the weekend, I will asses how the palms are looking down there.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Foxpalms

[Foxpalms]

The max temperature today was 42f/5.5c in London with 68% humidity.

[Ryland]

It's a balmy -0.4ºC.  High today was 1.2ºC (34ºF) and the low this morning was -6.4ºC (20ºF).

[Arecaceus]

5 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

Bottomed out at -8.2C / 17F last night, my coldest night in 5 years. Currently 0C / 32F at midday now and hoping temperatures recover further before another hard radiation freeze yet again tonight. This has been the most brutal run of radiation frosts that I can ever remember.

 

Relief is in sight however. On Monday morning I will be waking up to temperatures more than 20C warmer than what I have experienced this morning. It shows just how extreme this current cold setup really is. The mild westerlies cannot come soon enough!

I feel the pain. I also dipped just beneath -8°C this morning. But only shortly. It's been getting colder all night ver slowly and then at around 8 a.m. it dipped from -6°C down to -8°C and then immeditately startet to "heat up". Well it didn't get much warmer than around freezing point, but we had some sun. In the evening it started to get foggy and now it looks like this is slowing down the radiation a lot. Predicted low is -2°C to -3°C. I wonder what plants will make in through. This is sooo damn brutal. It's like a freezer. It also looks like one. We have very heavy fog that is freezing right now. I've never seen this here ever in my life. I don't even care so much about the absolut lows such much anymore, because it's just such a prolonged below zero torture...

[GottmitAlex]

[GottmitAlex]

[Silas_Sancona]

47F at 5:58PM after briefly reaching 60 under passing high clouds a couple hours ago.. Will it, or won't it reach 32 here tonight?? ..That is the question for the evening..



Been watching WU's forecast waver between 33 and 36 for Sunrise tomorrow when updating the 10 day forecast through the day..  News Wx forecasts have been in the same range..  so,

...Whether it ends up being 35, 34, or 33, it's still above 30.., and only looks to hang in the 33-35 range for about an hour or two..  No worries..  If clouds don't move back in too early in the day, should reach 60-62F later.

While nights may hang in the 30s for a few nights after Sunday morning, no colder than it has been.  As you can see, lows may moderate back into the 40s right around Xmas.. Suggested warm up looks fairly steady in the forecast next week too..  As always though, things could change by this time next week..  Looks perfect, if it holds..



Looking at some current "thoughts" on the forecast as the 2022 gets the boot,  ..We'll see what happens.

Today's 6-10, 8-14, and 3 week outlooks, and current thoughts on where the indexes may head.. Hinting trend? ..or false flags.. We'll see.










PNA



NAO



AO

[GottmitAlex]

Stay warm @Silas_Sancona

[Palmensammler]

One week of constantly freezing temperatures here in the southwest of Germany. 🥶🥶

Two times below -11.5 °C / 11°F at nighttime. But the forecast for next week says 10°C / 50°F 

Hope my two trachies survived this cold spell.

Eckhard

[bubba]

68°F at 7:36 AM EST

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KFLPALMB381

[RyManUtah]

-5c. 23F.  Could drop another degree or 3 by sunrise. Stay warm! 

[Arecaceus]

2 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

One week of constantly freezing temperatures here in the southwest of Germany. 🥶🥶

Two times below -11.5 °C / 11°F at nighttime. But the forecast for next week says 10°C / 50°F 

Hope my two trachies survived this cold spell.

Eckhard

How bad was the snow and ice rain? From what I've heard it was all over the South. And even we dipped down to -8°C for 1 or 2 hours one morning.

[Silas_Sancona]

A cold start, but no big deal.. Bottoming out about as expected..   Close to the "edge" though, lol..   Decent day ahead..

Local and select surrounding Numbers as of 6am










A little surprised it is somewhat "warm" out near Florence.. Homes out there, but not at all "developed"











Cold for sure in  few spots wayy down south, ..not all that bad in others..





Select #'s Around Chandler, ec at 7:30-7:40am..








Tucson..

[UK_Palms]

It’s the beginning of the end here. I had a low of -6C / 21F last night but temps have recovered to +4.8C / 40F this afternoon.

 

I am already back below freezing again though now at 6pm due to the clear skies, although it is the last frost of this cold event tonight. Milder air arrives tomorrow now. Double digits centigrade (C) by Monday. Highs around 15-16C (60F). A huge flip to milder weather in contrast to what we have been experiencing over the past 10-14 days. I will have to uncover most things tomorrow to let them breathe and air out.

Edited December 17, 2022 by UK_Palms

[Palmensammler]

4 hours ago, Hortulanus said:

How bad was the snow and ice rain? From what I've heard it was all over the South. And even we dipped down to -8°C for 1 or 2 hours one morning.

Not as bad as predicted.  There was only a little rain so not a big thing. No serious accidents and ice was gone fast because of the warmer temps.

Hopefully your plants had been protected. 

I'm afraid tonight will be extremely cold as currently we are already at -9,7°C / 14.5°F 🥶😱😭.

Eckhard 

[Arecaceus]

35 minutes ago, Palmensammler said:

Not as bad as predicted.  There was only a little rain so not a big thing. No serious accidents and ice was gone fast because of the warmer temps.

Hopefully your plants had been protected. 

I'm afraid tonight will be extremely cold as currently we are already at -9,7°C / 14.5°F 🥶😱😭.

Eckhard 

What?! Oh noooo! I hope it doesn't go much below that. Today was very weird, as last night it didn't go below -2°C and at day time WITH SUN the temperature went down to -5°C. We're currently at -4°C. So it's warmer than a couple of hours ago, even though the skies are clear. The predicted low is -4°C and it might be true because there are cloud coming our way.

I protected a few plants but not all of them. I planted many new plants this year and I focused my protection mostly on them, because most of them are still so small and young. Today I already noticed that "straw smell" so some things are already severly damaged or even dead. One of my Washingtonias which is completely unprotected already has severe leaf damage. Even with this cold temperatures you alrady see that the fronds are burnt. Weirdly it looks like the upcoming spear opened a bit. Idk why, maybe just an effect of the frost.

I'm happy that the ugly snow and ice didn't come for you. Also because this can harm plants with it's weight. Snow you can brush off. But ice just sticks. Here it is still completely dry. No snow no frozen rain. Just some light frost all over the place. 😅

How tall are your Trachys and have they been protected?

Edited December 17, 2022 by Hortulanus

[Silas_Sancona]

Chilly morning, Decent afternoon.. W/ clouds about to start rolling in, shouldn't drop any lower than approx: the mid 40s tonight. Same batch of clouds passing through may keep a lid on temps. through tomorrow though. Back in the clear and 60's - something on Monday.



Nice afternoon recovery down south as well, esp along the southwest face of the Catalinas...

[sandgroper]

Currently 25c at 8.30am, warming up a bit over the coming week. 

[JohnAndSancho]

Much concern such uh oh with a low of 32 but very stars

[Palmensammler]

12 hours ago, Hortulanus said:

How tall are your Trachys and have they been protected?

Between 2.5 and 3 metres, grown from seed. Normally they don't get any protection 

[amh]

27F and i'm hoping it stays above 25.

[Matthew92]

Forecast was 35F and I woke up to 30F and heavy frost 🥶

[Palmensammler]

-13,9°C / 7°F last night 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

[Xenon]

Low of 31.6F this morning despite the 34F NWS forecast. First freeze and first frost...but real polar express arriving soon 

[Arecaceus]

4 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

-13,9°C / 7°F last night 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶

What?! This must have been the coldest night for you then, right?! This is horribly cold! 🤯 In my garden it got down to -3°C last night. Over the day finally the stormy mild air came in. I removed all of my protection today. The mulch was still covered with some frost.

[Arecaceus]

10 hours ago, Palmensammler said:

Between 2.5 and 3 metres, grown from seed. Normally they don't get any protection 

Wow seed grown is king! They already must be quite a few years old then! -14°C is brutal, but they are close to the house and not that small. Have they ever seen such low tempertures before?

Edited December 18, 2022 by Hortulanus

[GottmitAlex]

[UK_Palms]

Salvation has arrived in the way of Atlantic westerlies. These are the current temperatures at 3am in my neck of the woods. 12C / 54F at my location. Some places are already 20C / 38F milder than they were at this time 48-72 hours ago, and some spots will be up to 25C milder come sunrise. Big change happening.

Edited December 19, 2022 by UK_Palms

[sandgroper]

Currently 35c.

[GottmitAlex]

2 hours ago, UK_Palms said:

Salvation has arrived in the way of Atlantic westerlies. These are the current temperatures at 3am in my neck of the woods. 12C / 54F at my location. Some places are already 20C / 38F milder than they were at this time 48-72 hours ago, and some spots will be up to 25C milder come sunrise. Big change happening.

 

Finally!

[Foxpalms]

55f/13c in London with 88% humidity at 6.25am the temperature has risen all night and will continue to rise thought the day. The winds are coming straight from the canary Islands for the next day or two so it will be very mild. Next week there is a mixture of west and southern winds depending on the day so it should be either above or average.

Edited December 19, 2022 by Foxpalms