Turtlesteve Posted July 10, 2018 Report Share Posted July 10, 2018 Now that it's July I wanted to report in on losses and survivors in the January 2018 freeze. I had 5-6 consecutive nights below 20F, with absolute lows of 14F and 13F. Highs in the low-mid 30's. All plants fully exposed, no canopy unless noted. Ground froze to at least 2-3" in many areas of the yard. Most of the results are somewhat expected, I did not protect anything as the severity of the freeze caught me off guard (it was forecast for low-mid 20's here). Palms in the ground: Butia odorata (mature) Silver form, 50% defoliated. (5-7 gal) - Smaller silver Butia 50-100% defoliated but survived without aid. Many seedlings were killed. Butia sp. (5 gal) - green form. 100% defoliated and spear rot, barely survived. Butia x Syagrus (approx. 5 gal) - killed. Chamerops humilis (3 gal) - blue and green forms. All killed (3 separate palms), but a single sucker on one palm survived. Spear damage to mature palms in town. Livistona decora (5 gal) - killed Livistona chinensis (3 gal) - 100% burn but survived without aid. Phoenix dactylifera - Not mine, but I noted that a ~15 gal palm in town survived with 100% defoliation (under canopy). Rhapidophyllum hystrix (3 gal) - no damage Sabal minor (3 gal) - no damage Sabal Causarium (3 gal) - 2 palms survived with burn on old leaves only Trachycarpus fortunei (3-15 gal) - Total of 5 palms from 3-7 gallon had spear pull, one died from rot. 15 gallon palms had minor burn. Trachycarpus "waggie" (2 gal) - killed Washingtonia "filibusta" (3 gal) - killed Cycads in the ground: Cycas revoluta (12" trunk) - growth point was killed (top 3-4" of trunk turned to mush). The lower trunk is alive, but has not formed leaves yet in 2018. Cycas panzihuaensis (2" to 5" caudex) - all plants in the ground survived with 50-75% defoliation, and flushed without issue in spring. Dioon edule (2-5" caudex) - of 5 plants in the ground, the two largest (4-5") survived. Smaller plants died. Zamia floridana - killed (caudex was buried 2-3" deep) Other plants of interest: Quercus insignis - survived, but killed back to old growth. This oak defoliates under light frost, but leaves shielded from frost remain evergreen into the high teens - low 20's. Eucalyptus gunnii - two plants, both killed to the ground, only one came back E. cinerea - minor damage Citrus "Calamandarin" - killed to the ground European olive (unknown variety) killed back to the main trunk - 1" diameter. 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted July 11, 2018 Report Share Posted July 11, 2018 Great update here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted July 16, 2018 Report Share Posted July 16, 2018 (edited) Steve, thanks for the update. Are you up in the Greenville area? Thanks Edited July 16, 2018 by RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtlesteve Posted July 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2018 Location would help, wouldn't it? I'm in Aiken SC and probably a warm 8A. Couple more random thoughts: - C. panzihuaensis continues to impress. I was weeding over the weekend and found another one next to some bushes - it got tossed on the ground last fall, as the taproot rotted and it failed to flush for the entire year. This was a small plant (1.5-2" caudex) that I did not expect to survive such a loss. However sometime this spring it flushed a normal leaf and was starting to put roots down. I'm hoping that we will start to see hybrids of this species that perform equally well. - On the other end of the spectrum, Chamaerops is the biggest disappointment. I don't think these are worth it except in protected spots. For being the most available "hardy" palm in Home Depot, there are relatively few survivors around town. They don't seem to grow out of spear rot issues like the windmills do. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted July 22, 2018 Report Share Posted July 22, 2018 Aiken is 11.9-12.3F per the USDA interactive map. Middle of the road 8A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swolte Posted September 17, 2018 Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 I am surprised about the small Livistona surviving. I guess it wouldn't be able to take such beatings regularly in an 8B zone? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtlesteve Posted September 17, 2018 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2018 21 hours ago, Swolte said: I am surprised about the small Livistona surviving. I guess it wouldn't be able to take such beatings regularly in an 8B zone? It might survive if it gets a break from defoliation every other year (not likely). It's taking pretty much the full growing season to replace the lost foliage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted September 19, 2018 Report Share Posted September 19, 2018 (edited) I think there is a a nice tall L. Decora at the Zoo in Columbia. I would like to try a Livistona chinensis var.suglobosa but I can't seem to locate one for the life of me (or seeds) https://www.trebrown.com/plant_info.php?species=Livistona+chinensis+var.+subglobosa Edited September 19, 2018 by RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted November 13, 2018 Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) "Quercus insignis - survived, but killed back to old growth. This oak defoliates under light frost, but leaves shielded from frost remain evergreen into the high teens - low 20's." Where the heck did you obtain the unobtainium? That is a very difficult oak to source. Edited November 13, 2018 by RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtlesteve Posted November 13, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2018 RJ - I happened to find an oak collector who'd gotten a few acorns - to my knowledge he never got any more. I'm fairly confident the oak will survive in zone 8, but not sure if it can fruit here. This oak is represented in some botanical collections so there's hope it will become available in the future. The city arboretum in Aiken has an extensive rare oak collection and they've got one (although it's small like mine). Per my internet research, there's also one in Savannah, one in Raleigh (JC Raulston), and one in Texas (Peckerwood gardens) that was reported to have acorns in 2016. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) 22 hours ago, Turtlesteve said: RJ - I happened to find an oak collector who'd gotten a few acorns - to my knowledge he never got any more. I'm fairly confident the oak will survive in zone 8, but not sure if it can fruit here. This oak is represented in some botanical collections so there's hope it will become available in the future. The city arboretum in Aiken has an extensive rare oak collection and they've got one (although it's small like mine). Per my internet research, there's also one in Savannah, one in Raleigh (JC Raulston), and one in Texas (Peckerwood gardens) that was reported to have acorns in 2016. Steve Amazing. In your travels you every come across another one keep me in mind. I've started a few oaks this fall, Chinese evergreen oak Quercus myrsinifolia , Japanese Blue oak - Quercus glauca , Japanese Stone oak - Lithocarpus edulis. And of course out native Live oak. Also thinking about starting some Texas Live oak. Thinking it might be slightly better adapted further inland then Southern Live Oak. There must be a reason not a lot of live oak is planted around here. Perhaps you know??? Edited November 14, 2018 by RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtlesteve Posted November 14, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 1 hour ago, RJ said: Amazing. In your travels you every come across another one keep me in mind. I've started a few oaks this fall, Chinese evergreen oak Quercus myrsinifolia , Japanese Blue oak - Quercus glauca , Japanese Stone oak - Lithocarpus edulis. And of course out native Live oak. Also thinking about starting some Texas Live oak. Thinking it might be slightly better adapted further inland then Southern Live Oak. There must be a reason not a lot of live oak is planted around here. Perhaps you know??? Live oak should be fine in Columbia given good soil drainage - people just haven't planted them there. I'm currently trying Q canbyi, Q suber, Q hemisphaerica, Q myrtifolia, Q. polymorpha? (unsure of ID) and Lithocarpus glaber from acorns (plus the species you mention, except texas live oak). I might try more but I only have so much room. There are a ton of other evergreen oaks and stone oaks that are zone 8 hardy but nobody bothers to cultivate them. Many of the mexican species have big leaves - Q. rysophylla has a nice look to it and is easier to obtain. I had one but it died when planted out (some oaks are a little bit tricky when started in pots). Many species are "unobtanium" as you mention, possibly harder to source than insignis - Q. tarhumara (handbasin oak), Q lamellosa, etc. I'm eventually going to try air layering branches from the Q. insignis - will let you know if it works. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ Posted November 14, 2018 Report Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) I looked into the Canbyi oak but I don't think I ever found a source of acorns. I usually start my trees from seeds. I would like to get my hands on some Lithocarpus henryi acorns. Up north I had 75 acres and more varieties of trees that I planted then I can recall. Evergreen trees weren't an option for me. Case in point my old home is having weather of 9*F and 21 MPH winds right now. Yuck I don't miss that. I use the stuewe and sons deep pots for starting my seeds. I can fit 20 seedlings in about a 12"x18" rack and the pots are about 12" deep, great for trees that have large taproots like hickory and oaks. Edited November 14, 2018 by RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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