Large Washingtonia of Albuquerque

[jwitt]

Last winter(Feb) in Corrales.  In case anybody is curious.

Edited November 18, 2022 by jwitt

[GabrielPalms]

8 hours ago, Ltapia said:

They did seed this year actually have seedlings growing right now got a ton from a buddy that knows the owner I can give you some let me know ?

Oh really, I would love some Albuquerque Seeds! 

[MSX]

On 11/13/2022 at 1:34 AM, jwitt said:

Corrales 11/12/22

 

Is this Oleander shrub?

[jwitt]

6 hours ago, MSX said:

Is this Oleander shrub?

Yes 

And more next door 

 

 

 

 

[Gabriel BuckeyPalms]

Does anyone have any updates on these palms on Rodayo, I live about 10 miles away and haven't been able to see them, do they have seed this year, are the healthy, anything?

[jwitt]

On 7/9/2023 at 1:22 AM, Gabriel BuckeyPalms said:

Does anyone have any updates on these palms on Rodayo, I live about 10 miles away and haven't been able to see them, do they have seed this year, are the healthy, anything?

Both have spathes, so they will probably bloom very soon.

 

These are~30 day old babies working on their second leaf! No fertilizer, soil not amended. Full sun, UV unrivaled.

7/11/23

 

[Ltapia]

30 minutes ago, jwitt said:

Both have spathes, so they will probably bloom very soon.

 

These are~30 day old babies working on their second leaf! No fertilizer, soil not amended. Full sun, UV unrivaled.

7/11/23

 

How are you protecting these seedlings in the winter ?

[jwitt]

20 minutes ago, Ltapia said:

How are you protecting these seedlings in the winter ?

I use rocks.  The close proximity of the seedlings also self protect. The blocks will be replaced shortly with "real" and large rock.

What I am left with are some cold hardy palms..........I hope!

At my age, I need to sleep and not worry.

Filifera seedlings results after slightly less than 10 years. (2 years in recovery-transplant)-todays pic

10/16/2014f

1/13/2015

3/17/2016

Edited July 12, 2023 by jwitt

[Gabriel BuckeyPalms]

On 7/11/2023 at 7:04 PM, jwitt said:

Both have spathes, so they will probably bloom very soon.

 

These are~30 day old babies working on their second leaf! No fertilizer, soil not amended. Full sun, UV unrivaled.

7/11/23

 

That's good. I hope they can produce good seed

[Ltapia]

On 7/11/2023 at 7:04 PM, jwitt said:

Both have spathes, so they will probably bloom very soon.

 

These are~30 day old babies working on their second leaf! No fertilizer, soil not amended. Full sun, UV unrivaled.

7/11/23

 

How are these doing 

[jwitt]

On 8/9/2023 at 7:55 PM, Ltapia said:

How are these doing 

Some of these ~50 day old seedlings are working on the fourth leaf.  These are rayado babies. 

Same grove, 7/11/23(2 seedling T or C emerging nearest to brick)

Zoomed in to show the thick/short petioles. Fourth leaf emerging! Soil dug back a bit. 

Meanwhile in a pot, one is a rayado(left) the other is a TorC(known pure).   One is 50 days old, the other ~30.  Part sun, slightly acidic soil.  

Seedlings saw this sun/heat fully exposed in 4 separate groves.  Here are the shade temperatures for July!

Edited August 11, 2023 by jwitt
Added pic

[Ltapia]

Looking healthy thanks for the update ! 
that one is getting thick.

[jwitt]

Same mama palm

Different daddy

Daddy @Ltapia six leaf

Daddy @jwitt 4 leaf

Petioles look different

Postman?????

Nah, kofa soil, and mama is a hermopheodite 

Mama

 

Edited August 17, 2023 by jwitt
Cleared up some things

[SailorBold]

Lol..

[Ltapia]

Lol yes yours looks good mines were started in the winter lack of light and yes I used palm and cactus  soil lol… mine have more purple in them .

[jwitt]

22 minutes ago, Ltapia said:

Lol yes yours looks good mines were started in the winter lack of light and yes I used palm and cactus  soil lol… mine have more purple in them .

I see the purple and elongated growth on mine in neutral to acidic conditions.

That coloring and elongation is absent in alkaline conditions in my yard. 

I have even proved this 2 ways. One with a TorC seedling (pure filifera). The other using fish emulsion(acidic) on my existing filifera(10 years old)-not a seedling.  Coloring will appear with a change with soil acidification.

Summary: I can turn coloring on/off with seedlings and established filifera or strong filifera hybrids.  

At the end of the day(and I have had this hunch for quite some time), I think the filifera/wet thing is heavily mistaken and is more of a soil thing.

Same reason I cannot grow gardenia. Soil, soil, soil. And water ph.

 

 

[Ltapia]

21 minutes ago, jwitt said:

I see the purple and elongated growth on mine in neutral to acidic conditions.

That coloring and elongation is absent in alkaline conditions in my yard. 

I have even proved this 2 ways. One with a TorC seedling (pure filifera). The other using fish emulsion(acidic) on my existing filifera(10 years old)-not a seedling.  Coloring will appear with a change with soil acidification.

Summary: I can turn coloring on/off with seedlings and established filifera or strong filifera hybrids.  

At the end of the day(and I have had this hunch for quite some time), I think the filifera/wet thing is heavily mistaken and is more of a soil thing.

Same reason I cannot grow gardenia. Soil, soil, soil. And water ph.

 

 

So acidic soil causes coloring / elongated growth, and alkaline soils have more of a green / compact growth ?

[jwitt]

1 hour ago, Ltapia said:

So acidic soil causes coloring / elongated growth, and alkaline soils have more of a green / compact growth ?

In my small world(my yard), yes. 

Sun may be a more major player in the elongation

What I do know is, soil type affects colorization and growth rate of seedlings. Soil type change will add colorization(where none existed)to older palms.  

Edited August 17, 2023 by jwitt

[Desert DAC]

On 11/19/2022 at 1:06 AM, MSX said:

Is this Oleander shrub?

There are occasional oleander shrubs used all over ABQ, but they aren't everywhere like Las Cruces or El Paso. In ABQ, some are protected and most are unprotected. A man I met 20 years ago, a plant nerd originally from Israel, told me about the oleanders he collected seed from between Mt Hermon and the Sea of Galilee, which he knew got colder, and should make it in ABQ. I think they had red flowers and were planted at the Botanical Gardens up there. Those or some other hardy red ones are used here and up there. 

Those at "Entrada de Corrales" at the Wash. filifera house, and some others around the block, surprisingly (to me) grew back from Feb. 2011 including what looked like petite oleanders. The several Eucalyptus spp. at one house nearby partly recovered, too, though I recall others died. 

All oleanders in ABQ seem to freeze at the tops in most winters, and in the 20-year coldest winters (like Feb 2011), they freeze to the ground - but mostly grow back. They do that down here, just less frequently.

[RFun]

I can tell there are palm growers in ABQ who aren't living in fear lol.  I am guessing we'll see more palms being planted around the metro area.

Edited November 19, 2023 by RFun

[MSX]

On 8/12/2023 at 7:27 AM, Ltapia said:

Looking healthy thanks for the update ! 
that one is getting thick.

It's sad to see this popular location without the sotols, they were as gorgeous as the washies...

[jwitt]

9/22/23

I did not notice the sotol gone.  Not pleasant near a sidewalk would be my guess 

Edited December 5, 2023 by jwitt
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