_Keith Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Spring keeps getting uglier and uglier. New low predictions for 1st week of January are 26,21,24,27,27,33. I am not sure I ever remember 5 continuous nights below freezing, and almost a 6th. This decade has been a tough one on the garden. Got at least 2 palms that will not survive, and likely more that will bite the bullets as well. Bye bye Jubutia. Looking at my shovel and thinking I will dig up my last remaining B. alfredii. Quite a few of the Citrus already badly injured from previous freezes won't be back. I sit in shock, without true words to describe my feelings. 5 In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 @_Keith It has been a little depressing watching the forecast continually get worse. My usual protection methods will probably have to be revised to keep the precipitation from soaking the towels and blankets I usually use. Good luck up there man. Hope some of your stuff makes it through. Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted December 30, 2017 Report Share Posted December 30, 2017 Jubaea x Butia crosses won't burn at 12-13F so you're good on those. I have 18 JxB F1 that will see three nights of high teens in a row this week and I am not worried whatsoever about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palm crazy Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Keith cover up those tender palms and they just might make it... others are totally hardy..... Hopefully your highs will be in the 40's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Keith Posted December 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Well, there goes Day 6 now projected below freezing. 25,21,25,26,26,30. Damn. In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRabbit Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 Good luck Keith. How does that compare to what you experienced there in 2010? Might not be a bad idea to dig up the alfie, I'd be very impressed if it can survive those temps. Westchase | 9b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted December 31, 2017 Report Share Posted December 31, 2017 This will definitely be the “reset” year. I’m even worried about my butia x parajubaea hybrids. Just so many freezing nights in a row Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdsonofthesouth Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 On 12/30/2017, 4:29:49, _Keith said: Spring keeps getting uglier and uglier. New low predictions for 1st week of January are 26,21,24,27,27,33. I am not sure I ever remember 5 continuous nights below freezing, and almost a 6th. This decade has been a tough one on the garden. Got at least 2 palms that will not survive, and likely more that will bite the bullets as well. Bye bye Jubutia. Looking at my shovel and thinking I will dig up my last remaining B. alfredii. Quite a few of the Citrus already badly injured from previous freezes won't be back. I sit in shock, without true words to describe my feelings. Starting in 2010 the weather has been rough as hell on trying to grow things. Heck I even lost "bulletproof" plants throughout this decade. Summers have been less warm and winters off and on more brutal. Honestly it makes me wonder where all this "global warming" is... LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, mdsonofthesouth said: . Summers have been less warm. That sure hasnt been the case for the southern states... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdsonofthesouth Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) Our last August was chilly. Usually its the hottest month. But our "days over 90" have have apparently gone up. We had a day in August that never reached 60F with the preceding and following day in the 60s which is unheard of. I guess maybe Im wrong on the summers after a quick search, but we have had some "cold snaps" in summer where temps are far bellow the norm and thus thats the feeling I get. On average we have 30 or so 90F + days and apparently that trend has changed for the warmer and more common. So I stand corrected on that. I guess I have blinders on to that aspect and hyper focus on cold since it bothers me so much. I think Im going to record temps at my house from tomorrow on so I can have a reference to our weather history. I know you can get that online, but this will be hyper focused to my actual home and not the general area. Edited January 1, 2018 by mdsonofthesouth LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in Houston Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Here are the temperatures of the western Gulf this morning at about 6:15 am. The largest deviation from norm looks to the S. Louisiana for today. Houston and the Texas coast along with the Mississippi delta region escaped a freeze but colder temperatures are forecast as the frigid air continues to pour into the area. Ed in Houston 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdsonofthesouth Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Wow south LA watwr temps are like the chesapeake right now. Wonder if they will see the ice we are seeing here...erie as i cant remember the last time ice formed on the our bay. I think 1993 and 1977 were the last times nut I could be wrong on 93. Hope yall make it through and hope spring comes early! LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 @mdsonofthesouthThose aren't water temperatures they're air temperatures from stations on drill ships, drilling platforms or boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdsonofthesouth Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 Ahh was about to say thay must be some kind of record for the gulf if they were. LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRabbit Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, mdsonofthesouth said: Ahh was about to say thay must be some kind of record for the gulf if they were. I read somewhere on here that the Mississippi River was putting out icebergs during the freeze of 1899. Crazy to think about! Edited January 1, 2018 by RedRabbit Westchase | 9b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdsonofthesouth Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 35 minutes ago, RedRabbit said: I read somewhere on here that the Mississippi River was putting out icebergs during the freeze of 1899. Crazy to think about! Holy cow thats crazy! My grandpa has said that its gotten consistently warmer as time goes by heres hoping we are coming out of this mini ice age/cooling period and not going back in it. The data seems to point to most areas getting warmer while the eastern US feeling cooler in winter and warmer in summer. But again might be my blinders on again haha! Ive started my temperature log this AM, and will do so from now on. LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 17.2 at the house, 15.4 at the nursery. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in Houston Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Well this is odd. Forecasters predicted lows in the Houston area to be 22-25 and yet this morning at 6:45 lows across Houston were 30-32. At my place it is 32 this morning, not even cold enough to bother my elephant ears. Cloudy skies, north winds and very low dew points were all realized as predicted just not the cold temperatures. The hard freeze warning issued just failed to materialize in all of the South Texas area. However, South Louisiana did not escape the hard freeze except in the delta region. I am not going to complain about the missed forecast for fear that the weather gods might seek revenge. Ed in Houston 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 Very odd night, but the clouds rolled in and helped out a lot. Only dropped to 22 last night and I thought for sure it was going to be a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Keith Posted January 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 21 hours ago, RedRabbit said: I read somewhere on here that the Mississippi River was putting out icebergs during the freeze of 1899. Crazy to think about! It was indeed. We sat on the levee in Baton Rouge, where the river is 2300 ft wide, and watch the large pieces of ice, edge to edge floating by. University Lake at LSU was frozen over to the point you could walk on it. Lows reported from 7 to 9 degrees across the coast. A few days later the bayous were a sea floating fish going out with the tide, millions of fish frozen to death in the marshes. In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinzyjr Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 4 hours ago, _Keith said: It was indeed. We sat on the levee in Baton Rouge, where the river is 2300 ft wide, and watch the large pieces of ice, edge to edge floating by. University Lake at LSU was frozen over to the point you could walk on it. Lows reported from 7 to 9 degrees across the coast. A few days later the bayous were a sea floating fish going out with the tide, millions of fish frozen to death in the marshes. You were there for the freeze of 1899 @_Keith? You look so much younger Lakeland, FL USDA Zone (2012): 9b | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (1985, 1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a | 30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in Houston Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 There is a small disturbance in the Gulf of Mexico just south of New Orleans at 4pm and currently bringing snow to Grand Isle Louisiana with a temperature of 34F. This disturbance moved through S. Houston about 8am this morning and brought a bit of light sleet. It is moving almost due west and may move over the Florida peninsula tonight. The temperatures are warmer in Florida currently than in S. Louisiana but may cool down enough by tonight to bring some icy precipitation. Ed in Houston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Tampa Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, kinzyjr said: You were there for the freeze of 1899 @_Keith? You look so much younger I was thinking this also. Maybe he's a vampire? 1 Tampa, Florida Zone - 10a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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_Keith Posted January 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 1 hour ago, kinzyjr said: You were there for the freeze of 1899 @_Keith? You look so much younger I was 51 when that picture was taken. Sadly, that was not last year. In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Tonight was a completely clear night resulting is the coldest temps of this event at 16-17F to end this dreadful run of cold. Sun coming up soon and we'll be in the high 40's and this event will be completely behind us. Lows above freezing in the 10 day forecast highs in the 60's over the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropicdoc Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 We’re not done yet here in Louisiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 Horray!!! After roughly 74 hours below freezing we are back above that magical number. Only took 3 hours to double our temperature! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdsonofthesouth Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 East coast still has thursday and friday left.... LOWS 16/17 12F, 17/18 3F, 18/19 7F, 19/20 20F Palms growing in my garden: Trachycarpus Fortunei, Chamaerops Humilis, Chamaerops Humilis var. Cerifera, Rhapidophyllum Hystrix, Sabal Palmetto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthteh1916 Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 On 12/30/2017, 4:29:49, _Keith said: Spring keeps getting uglier and uglier. New low predictions for 1st week of January are 26,21,24,27,27,33. I am not sure I ever remember 5 continuous nights below freezing, and almost a 6th. This decade has been a tough one on the garden. Got at least 2 palms that will not survive, and likely more that will bite the bullets as well. Bye bye Jubutia. Looking at my shovel and thinking I will dig up my last remaining B. alfredii. Quite a few of the Citrus already badly injured from previous freezes won't be back. I sit in shock, without true words to describe my feelings. Keith, didn't the last two winters which were very mild, help your citrus to fully recover? I saw loads of citrus in south Alabama that looked great last February. Saw the same in Beaufort SC. I didn't think S. Louisiana got that cold the last two years. Are you north of New Orleans or south of New Orleans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Keith Posted January 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2018 They never fully recovered from the freezes in 2010 and 2013. They were growing and fruiting, but fruit was lower quality than before. You could still see sections of rotten trunk the new bark had not yet fully enclosed. In my post I sometimes express "my" opinion. Warning, it may differ from "your" opinion. If so, please do not feel insulted, just state your own if you wish. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or any other damages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 12, 2018 Report Share Posted January 12, 2018 More cold coming to Texas and South LA. More days with sub 40 highs and low 20's for lows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed in Houston Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Once again this season, icy conditions are invading S.E. Texas. This is the third time this season that icy precipitation has fallen in Houston. The icy precipitation is continuing to push south and east. On December the 7th, about an inch of snow fell at my place covering my lady palms. Ed in Houston 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 10am, sun came out an hour ago and the temp has dropped 3 more degrees to 18. Not good for us but the coldest of the cold air could arrive in Houston tonight just as thr sky clears setting up most of the city for many hours of sub 20 temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew92 Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Going to be an interesting 24 hours here... Excerpts from morning NWS discussion out of Mobile (forecast area includes Gulf Coast from MS to NW FL Panhandle) Area Forecast Discussion National Weather Service Mobile AL 526 AM CST Tue Jan 16 2018 .PREV DISCUSSION... /issued 511 AM CST Tue Jan 16 2018/ NEAR TERM /Now Through Tuesday night/...An amplifying upper leveltrough over the Great Lakes rotates across the eastern CONUS through the near term period. This pushes a strong cold front southeast into the Deep South and through the local area late this morning and afternoon. Expect today`s highs to be reached ahead of this frontal passage, as temperatures in its wake will quickly plummet with the onset of strong cold air advection. A broad area of large-scale forcing associated with the upper trough will support a band of precipitation following the frontal passage.Model guidance continues to indicate these showers beginning as a wintry mix of rain and snow, then quickly transitioning to all light snow as temperatures fall below freezing. This band isprogged to reach our interior SE MS/SW AL counties early this afternoon, the I-65 corridor between 6pm and midnight CST, and eventually exit our area to the southeast late tonight. Only minor snow accumulations are expected, with most only seeing up to half an inch, though some inland areas could see isolated amounts up to or just over an inch. A Winter Weather Advisory remains in effect for all areas along and north of the I-10 corridor from noon today until 6am CST Wednesday. Given the generally light accumulations, not anticipating any significant travel impacts from this system. That said, any localized heavier snow bands will be capable of producing slick spots on roads, especially on bridges and overpasses.A bitter cold night is in store for areas that see skies clear in the wake of the front. A Hard Freeze Warning is in effect starting at midnight tonight, generally along and west of I-65 where low temps will range from the mid teens to around 20 degrees. Elsewhere, lingering cloud cover will mean lows in the low to mid 20`s. One concern regarding these bitter temperatures is the potential forblack ice early Wednesday morning, as any residual moisture left on roads will freeze and cause slick spots. Also, the combination of these temperatures and north winds around 10 to 15 mph will result in single digit wind chill values for much of the area. Thus, a Wind Chill Advisory is in effect from midnight tonight until 11am CST Wednesday. /49 SHORT TERM /Wednesday Through Thursday night/...A brisk northerly wind will continue Wednesday into Wednesday night as a strong 1040mb surface high pressure area settles across the lower Mississippi River region. This high will then shift east across the southeast states Thursday and Thursday night, bringing light and variable winds to the area. A prolonged very cold air mass will persist across the region through the short term. As a result, the HardFreeze Warning has been extended to include all zones Wednesday night into Thursday morning. A Wind Chill Advisory will alsolikely be required Wednesday night into Thursday morning. The upper shortwave will move quickly east of the area Wednesday and Wednesday evening, with a dry very cold air mass filtering into the region from the north. This air mass will remain in place through the remainder of the short term as upper flow becomes zonal, keeping the area precipitation free.High temperatures on Wednesday will struggle to reach just above freezing by mid afternoon despite the sunny skies, ranging from 33 to 38 degrees. Again, these bitter temperatures may result in the potential for black ice through early afternoon Wednesday, as any residual moisture left on roads will freeze and cause slick spots. Low temperatures Wednesday night will range from 13 to 18 degrees, and around 20 degrees at the beaches. Temperatures on Thursday will reach the mid 40s, falling into the upper teens to mid 20s overnight. /22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnTonY Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 @TexasColdHardyPalms temps there are not forecasted to go below 20F. @Ed in Houston similar to 2014, where there was more than one event (I believe 2). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasColdHardyPalms Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, AnTonY said: @TexasColdHardyPalms temps there are not forecasted to go below 20F. @Ed in Houston similar to 2014, where there was more than one event (I believe 2). Yea, not in downtown Houston or to the south east, but i expect to see a lot of teens in the houston city limits and suburbs tomorrow morning. Anywhere outside beltway 8 on the north and west will be robusta burning cold and coupled with last years winter and this years winter a lot of post 2011 queens will succumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 12/30/2017, 1:29:49, _Keith said: Spring keeps getting uglier and uglier. New low predictions for 1st week of January are 26,21,24,27,27,33. I am not sure I ever remember 5 continuous nights below freezing, and almost a 6th. This decade has been a tough one on the garden. Got at least 2 palms that will not survive, and likely more that will bite the bullets as well. Bye bye Jubutia. Looking at my shovel and thinking I will dig up my last remaining B. alfredii. Quite a few of the Citrus already badly injured from previous freezes won't be back. I sit in shock, without true words to describe my feelings. Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 Maybe the problem is undulating jet streams? https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/jul/17/global-warming-causing-extreme-weather-jet-stream-waves Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnTonY Posted January 16, 2018 Report Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) @TexasColdHardyPalms, the latest NWS discussion I saw still had IAH airport, north of the beltway, for lows in the low 20s. But, yes, teens might be possible. We'll have to see. @DoomsDave, the temperatures in recent cold snaps aren't (yet) as cold as what has been seen in historic cold waves of the 1800s and 1900s. Perhaps the undulating is in terms of the dichotomy between the East and the West. Edited January 16, 2018 by AnTonY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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