tjwalters Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 5 hours ago, EastCanadaTropicals said: 5 hours ago, climate change virginia said: naturalized at dc arbetorium Doesn't count but I would like some seed of that. Naturalizing 8 miles NE of the Arboretum... 1 Tom Bowie, Maryland, USA - USDA z7a hardiestpalms.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VA Jeff Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 On 1/4/2021 at 5:41 PM, climate change virginia said: speaking of alligators there have been some sightings of alligators in extreme south east Virginia could be a dumped pet or one that went exploring a little too far it could be from climate change but no one knows for sure Gators are still native to some of the waterways that connect to rivers/creeks/estuaries that flow into Southside Hampton Roads. I suspect the occasional wandering male shows up from time to time. God bless America... and everywhere else too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastCanadaTropicals Posted January 31, 2021 Report Share Posted January 31, 2021 On 22/02/2017 at 8:39 PM, PalmTreeDude said: Anyone have any pictures of native Sabal minor at just about their fattest northern ranges? I want to see more Sabal minors at their limits, inspired by this awesome thread: http://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/52756-sabal-minor-in-habitat-mccurtain-county-ok/ Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island. Nothing to say here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmTreeDude Posted February 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 22 hours ago, EastCanadaTropicals said: Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island. It would be very hard to find any Sabal minor in the area, if they are even there naturally, because it is a very flat swamp/marsh environment that not a lot of people are willing to go out into in search of plants, endless it were a PalmTalk member who was searching! 1 PalmTreeDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoatLockerGuns Posted February 1, 2021 Report Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 1:05 PM, EastCanadaTropicals said: Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island. 1 hour ago, PalmTreeDude said: It would be very hard to find any Sabal minor in the area, if they are even there naturally, because it is a very flat swamp/marsh environment that not a lot of people are willing to go out into in search of plants, endless it were a PalmTalk member who was searching! I used to live in Chesapeake, Virginia from 2007 to 2010. I have been canoeing/fishing around Knotts Island. As @PalmTreeDudesaid, it is mostly marsh...lots of Typha sp. (Cat's Tail Reed), but I saw no Sabal minor. I have hiked extensively in Back Bay National Wildlife Refuge and False Cape State Park. I saw plenty of Quercus virginiana (Live Oak) and Tillandsia usneoides (Spanish Moss) growing there; however, I never spotted in any Sabal minor (although, it looks like the kind of place you would find Sabal minor). I never saw any Sabal minor growing in the Dismal Swamp either (at least not along the Washington Ditch, Portsmouth Ditch, The Dismal Swamp Canal Trail in Chesapeake, or Dismal Swamp State Park in North Carolina). I have also hiked in First Landing State Park (Virginia Beach), Northwest River Park (Chesapeake), and Merchants Mill Pond State Park (North Carolina), and never saw any Sabal minor there either. I am not saying it is not growing wild there, but I never noticed any from the trails (and I am the kind of person who would take notice of Sabal minor if I saw it there). If its growing wild there, its most likely in areas that are not very accessible to most people. I remember seeing some Sabal palmetto being grown as ornamentals in Sandbridge though (actually all over coastal Virginia Beach). I would not be surprised if people are landscaping with Sabal minor in Virginia Beach as well. 2 1 Unified Theory of Palm Seed Germination (Where: bh = bottom heat, fs = fresh seed, L = love, m = magic, p = patience, and t = time) DISCLAIMER: Working theory; not yet peer reviewed. "Fronds come and go; the spear is life!" - Anonymous Palmtalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighNC Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 2:05 PM, EastCanadaTropicals said: Is there any in Knotts Island, because then they can extend into the Virginia part of the island. The northernmost natural population of S. minor in NC appears to be in Martin County. That population was discovered in 2004. A short paper was published about it in 2008: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4034272 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PalmTreeDude Posted February 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, RaleighNC said: The northernmost natural population of S. minor in NC appears to be in Martin County. That population was discovered in 2004. A short paper was published about it in 2008: http://www.jstor.org/stable/4034272 Since then the Monkey Island population was found in Currituck County, and there is one posted just north of Corolla on iNaturalist that I believe is credible because the surrounding area looks exactly like it actually does there. Edited February 2, 2021 by PalmTreeDude Typo 1 PalmTreeDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaleighNC Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 10 hours ago, PalmTreeDude said: Since then the Monkey Island population was found in Currituck County, and there is one posted just north of Corolla on iNaturalist that I believe is credible because the surrounding area looks exactly like it actually does there. Oops, I should have read the entire string of posts. Thanks for the correction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewworld Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 just an update on my sabal minors growing in Southern Indiana. I have 1000's of seeds if anyone is interested. I also have seedlings growing everywhere but I don't know how successful i would be in pulling these up. if anyone wants some tri-foliate orange seeds, i have 1000's of these as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donofriojim1 Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 10 hours ago, frewworld said: just an update on my sabal minors growing in Southern Indiana. I have 1000's of seeds if anyone is interested. I also have seedlings growing everywhere but I don't know how successful i would be in pulling these up. if anyone wants some tri-foliate orange seeds, i have 1000's of these as well. Where at in Southern Indiana? I planted a sabal minor mc curtain at my in laws house in Madison, Indiana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewworld Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 13 hours ago, donofriojim1 said: Where at in Southern Indiana? I planted a sabal minor mc curtain at my in laws house in Madison, Indiana Evansville Indiana. We're very southwestern tip along river. I also have two sabal birmingham palmetto's I planted from seed 4 years ago. They are about 1.5 ft now with full fronds. It's killing me how slow they are growing, but have tolerated our weather unprotected. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donofriojim1 Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 1 minute ago, frewworld said: Evansville Indiana. We're very southwestern tip along river. I also have two sabal birmingham palmetto's I planted from seed 4 years ago. They are about 1.5 ft now with full fronds. It's killing me how slow they are growing, but have tolerated our weather unprotected. I'm in Cincinnati. I have several sabal minor and Needle palms in my yard that never get protection other than good placement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frewworld Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 6 hours ago, donofriojim1 said: I'm in Cincinnati. I have several sabal minor and Needle palms in my yard that never get protection other than good placement Wow! that's great to see sabal's growing in Cincinnati! Have you tried windmill palms yet? I had two I planted years ago that grew to about 20ft tall. I protected these each winter, but at 20Ft it became very difficult and when we had a couple days of really cold weather in 2019 I lots both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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