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Some of the additions during summer construction and renovation:

Cocos nucifera 'Fiji Dwarf': Wanted to try this as it can stay under canopy it's entire life and I do have some canopy with a south-facing opening.

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Archontophoenix purpurea

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Euterpe edulis 'Orange Crownshaft': Probably shouldn't have wasted my money trying another one, but...

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Carpoxylon macrospermum: the last one I had did not survive a transplant from the north side of the property to the south side.  So I got another one.

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Adenium seed pod: happened to notice this while I was moving a potted coconut.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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@kinzyjr I went today and he didn't have the Jamaican pulled up to see he only had the Panama up there so thats what I got. He only had one ready and he has a mature one at the front gate and some over to the side the one thats now flowering for the first time he said it's a Panama and its only been in the ground 4 Years. He said its faster to produce than the Jamaican tall. Here are pics of tbe one I got today and the mature one and young one producing its first flowers.

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13 hours ago, Plantking165 said:

@kinzyjr I went today and he didn't have the Jamaican pulled up to see he only had the Panama up there so thats what I got. He only had one ready and he has a mature one at the front gate and some over to the side the one thats now flowering for the first time he said it's a Panama and its only been in the ground 4 Years. He said its faster to produce than the Jamaican tall. Here are pics of tbe one I got today and the mature one and young one producing its first flowers.

Looks like you paid Marc a visit. :)  We'll find out what produces first I guess.  Once it starts getting some size to it, you'll have to put a sign up:

https://www.travelsigns.com/products/caution-falling-coconuts-sign-12-x-8

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Yeah I wonder what one will produce first for me fiji, red spicata or the Panama it will be a long wait tho.

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21 minutes ago, Plantking165 said:

Yeah I wonder what one will produce first for me fiji, red spicata or the Panama it will be a long wait tho.

Let's hope we have winters that will allow at least one variety to reach fruiting size. ;)

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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I'm hoping for that. Im not putting the red spicata or Panama in ground until next year so this winter if it's rough I'll just bring them inside.

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@Fusca Here is the Delonix regia I mentioned in the other thread:

April 2022

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09/03/2022:

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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3 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

@Fusca Here is the Delonix regia I mentioned in the other thread:

April 2022

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They grow so quick my neighbor grew from seed 3 years ago or so and it's huge and it flowered for the last 5 months non stop full of color he also put one in between ours and his property so technically it's part mine lol. Maybe not quite as fast as my rainbow eucalyptus tho. That thing has so many seeds rn that it dropped.

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5 minutes ago, Plantking165 said:

They grow so quick my neighbor grew from seed 3 years ago or so and it's huge and it flowered for the last 5 months non stop full of color he also put one in between ours and his property so technically it's part mine lol. Maybe not quite as fast as my rainbow eucalyptus tho. That thing has so many seeds rn that it dropped.

Honestly, I expected to be digging the dead remains of this one out this year.  It just sat there and did practically nothing for a while.  For whatever reason, it has picked up the pace this year to the point where it may have solid woody trunk by the time CFPACS tours here in October.  I might be able to get some rainbow eucalyptus seeds this year.  They should be ready later this fall.  Not sure where I would even put one, but nothing says it has to be on this particular slice of paradise.

Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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8 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Honestly, I expected to be digging the dead remains of this one out this year.  It just sat there and did practically nothing for a while.  For whatever reason, it has picked up the pace this year to the point where it may have solid woody trunk by the time CFPACS tours here in October.  I might be able to get some rainbow eucalyptus seeds this year.  They should be ready later this fall.  Not sure where I would even put one, but nothing says it has to be on this particular slice of paradise.

If u want seeds I got seeds falling rn and some sprouts in my flytrap pots Mines 3 yrs old from a stick and boy it's huge very nice branching on mine too its probably almost 50ft could be taller but unfortunately the wind keeps breaking the top leaders since they are flimsy the wind breaks them easily here

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@Plantking165 I may take you up on that offer, especially if it's possible to take some of the volunteers off of your hands.  There is one down the road from me in seed right now, but cutting out the germination time would be fine with me.  I'll drop you a DM toward the end of the week.

Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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3 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

@Plantking165 I may take you up on that offer, especially if it's possible to take some of the volunteers off of your hands.  There is one down the road from me in seed right now, but cutting out the germination time would be fine with me.  I'll drop you a DM toward the end of the week.

Yeah I wouldn't mind giving u them I don't do anything with them ill see if I can find any seed pods with some seed still in it as most have fallen out the tree

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Should be plenty of bananas ready for the tour:

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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My hopes that it would wait for the tour were dashed:

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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My archontophoenix cunninghamiana Illawarra had a bronze frond and it's still fairly bronze now a few weeks later. Or do these palms loose the red colour quickly?

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1 minute ago, Foxpalms said:

My archontophoenix cunninghamiana Illawarra had a bronze frond and it's still fairly bronze now a few weeks later. Or do these palms loose the red colour quickly?

From what I understand it can last around 2 weeks but fades around 7 to 10 days for most chambeyronia macrocarpa. 

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6 minutes ago, Foxpalms said:

My archontophoenix cunninghamiana Illawarra had a bronze frond and it's still fairly bronze now a few weeks later. Or do these palms loose the red colour quickly?

3 minutes ago, Plantking165 said:

From what I understand it can last around 2 weeks but fades around 7 to 10 days for most chambeyronia macrocarpa. 

In my case, this one loses its color in about 4 days.  It has a very quick turnaround time.  The Houailou variety isn't as showy when it puts out a leaf.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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In my case, this one loses its color in about 4 days.  It has a very quick turnaround time.  The Houailou variety isn't as showy when it puts out a leaf.

That's quicker than usual is it more sun than shade? I've read that in shade they are more colorful and last longer in full sun its more orange and fades quick. Just from what I've read and heard don't know how accurate that is.

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1 minute ago, Plantking165 said:

That's quicker than usual is it more sun than shade? I've read that in shade they are more colorful and last longer in full sun its more orange and fades quick. Just from what I've read and heard don't know how accurate that is.

In this case, it's in deep canopy from an 80-foot oak.  The canopy is a little lighter now after the hurricane and the power crew had to remove some foliage to get the power and internet back up, but the canopy was fairly dark before that and it was the same. 

Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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5 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

In this case, it's in deep canopy from an 80-foot oak.  The canopy is a little lighter now after the hurricane and the power crew had to remove some foliage to get the power and internet back up, but the canopy was fairly dark before that and it was the same. 

Interesting that it loses color despite the shade. My neighbor went back and trimmed alot of palm fronds off that big sabal hanging over the fence so less plam leaf skeletonizer but he used a gas powered pole saw that I have no idea where it's been used so a win and a loss I hope that thing doesn't add any more diseases to this yard.. would hate to lose my plams unfortunately I have no say over what he does he does what he wants lol

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18 minutes ago, Plantking165 said:

From what I understand it can last around 2 weeks but fades around 7 to 10 days for most chambeyronia macrocarpa. 

Interesting, if I can find one for sale here I'm going to try one unprotected in ground. They are definitely nice looking palms but since we left the EU it's much harder to import palms so these palms are hard to find for sale.

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2 minutes ago, Foxpalms said:

Interesting, if I can find one for sale here I'm going to try one unprotected in ground. They are definitely nice looking palms but since we left the EU it's much harder to import palms so these palms are hard to find for sale.

Where are you located at? 

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1 minute ago, Plantking165 said:

Where are you located at? 

Central London England at 51n, I'm a high zone 9b and 10a winters aren't uncommon. Going off wunderground not outdated averages on Google, winter highs are slightly below (Jan) 50f with an average low of around 42f . This year it was a csa climate with at least one month averaging 22c/71.6f, the average high in in July and August was over 27c/81f. I'm able to grow howea forsteriana, Rhopalostylis sapida, archontophoenix cunninghamiana, syagrus romanzoffianana, arenga engleri, chamaedorea elegans, chamaedorea klotzschiana and chamedorea plumosa to name a few. We have mild wet winters with highish humidity and warm dry summers with low humidity.  Even though we are classed as a cfb climate the metoffice has said we are transitioning to a Mediterranean climate, the recent summers are definitely warmer and drier than they used to be. Annual rainfall is between 20-22 inches, though so far this year I'm only on 10 inches with only 2 and a half months left to go.

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Just now, Foxpalms said:

Central London England at 51n, I'm a high zone 9b and 10a winters aren't uncommon. Going off wunderground not outdated averages on Google, winter highs are slightly below (Jan) 50f with an average low of around 42f . This year it was a csa climate with at least one month averaging 22c/71.6f, the average high in in July and August was over 27c/81f. I'm able to grow howea forsteriana, Rhopalostylis sapida, archontophoenix cunninghamiana, syagrus romanzoffianana, arenga engleri, chamaedorea elegans, chamaedorea klotzschiana and chamedorea plumosa to name a few. We have mild wet winters with highish humidity and warm dry summers with low humidity.  Even though we are classed as a cfb climate the metoffice has said we are transitioning to a Mediterranean climate, the recent summers are definitely warmer and drier than they used to be. Annual rainfall is between 20-22 inches, though so far this year I'm only on 10 inches with only 2 and a half months left to go.

I'm pushing coconuts myself in a 9b zone. Your fine for flamethrowers they can take down to 25F easily. They are slow growing tho only about 2 to 3 spears a year. 

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2 minutes ago, Plantking165 said:

I'm pushing coconuts myself in a 9b zone. Your fine for flamethrowers they can take down to 25F easily. They are slow growing tho only about 2 to 3 spears a year. 

About the closest thing to a coconut that might be able to be grown here is Beccariophoenix alfredii and jubeaopsis caffra some other palms I might plant out next year as an experiment. I'm more concerned about the cool winters than the cold here to be honest.  Some palms get damaged by cool temperatures, unfortunately why royals probably won't grow here I've never tried but I'd doubt they would, even if its not freezing but I've heard flamethrowers can tolerate cool weather.

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2 minutes ago, Foxpalms said:

About the closest thing to a coconut that might be able to be grown here is Beccariophoenix alfredii and jubeaopsis caffra some other palms I might plant out next year as an experiment. I'm more concerned about the cool winters than the cold here to be honest.  Some palms get damaged by cool temperatures, unfortunately why royals probably won't grow here I've never tried but I'd doubt they would, even if its not freezing but I've heard flamethrowers can tolerate cool weather.

Yeah cool winters kill coconuts Idk about royals but flamethrower is a champ for cooler conditions In winter one of the most cold tolerant palms for a tropical look for sure. Hope you can find one it would definitely be worth it.

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Garden is officially prepped for the CFPACS tour tomorrow.  Since I usually post updates in Fall and Spring to capture garden progress through the years, this doubles as the fall update.  The papers in the plastic sleeves are information sheets on each of the plants or, in some cases, information about the soil regime in each area of the garden.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Part 2: You can see that Hurricane Ian didn't allow the usual efforts to get everything 100% perfect.  A lot of the plants have a lean or had canopy leaned out due to high winds from north to south.  There was also tons of debris that had to be dealt with on a truncated schedule.  We'll have 3 vendors and a large auction area running with plenty of seating area for bidders.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Part 3 (last update for today) : The lanai is ready for everyone that wants to take a break after the long tour.  Might be a few bites to eat put out as well...

The pots in the last photo will be up for grabs.  They are not needed here since my container gardening is very much non-existent.

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USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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22 hours ago, kinzyjr said:

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That Dactylifera cluster has become utterly monstrous!  Do you trim off the suckers on the one on the other side of the driveway, or is that one just growing solo by itself?  I wish I could have stopped by at CFPACS and your tour, but I was out doing a triathlon. :)

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2 hours ago, Merlyn said:

That Dactylifera cluster has become utterly monstrous!  Do you trim off the suckers on the one on the other side of the driveway, or is that one just growing solo by itself?  I wish I could have stopped by at CFPACS and your tour, but I was out doing a triathlon. :)

The Phoenix dactylifera on the left side grows solo without my intervention.  It seems that palm came true to form from the Medjool pit that I used to start it.  You would have enjoyed yourself for sure.  We had to work around some scheduling conflicts and other events.  Overall, I think the biggest hit was the giant Roystonea regia at the Cleveland Heights Golf Course.  I'll add photos on the CFPACS Fall 2022 Meeting thread

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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Thank you very much for the tour - still young but already such a beautiful garden - and all the best for the event ahead!

best regards from Okinawa - 

Lars

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On 12/30/2016 at 2:20 PM, kinzyjr said:

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Phoenix Dactylifera - 10ft. - Grown from seed.

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Phoenix Dactylifera - 6ft. - Grown from seed.

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Phoenix Dactylifera - 4ft. - Grown from seed.

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Phoenix Dactylifera - 3ft. - Grown from seed.

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Phoenix Roebelenii - 7 years in the ground

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Phoenix Roebelenii - 7 years in the ground

Dude this is amazing you grew them from seeds. Hiw old are they in these pics?

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11 hours ago, KsLouisiana said:

Dude this is amazing you grew them from seeds. Hiw old are they in these pics?

In that post, they are 10.5 years old.  I thought they might be younger, but I found their "baby pictures" dated April 2nd, 2006.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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12 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

In that post, they are 10.5 years old.  I thought they might be younger, but I found their "baby pictures" dated April 2nd, 2006.

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The Whataburger cup is clearly the key to their success here. 

 

In all seriousness, everything looks great. 

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1 minute ago, JohnAndSancho said:

The Whataburger cup is clearly the key to their success here. 

 

In all seriousness, everything looks great. 

Thank you! 

I miss having our Whataburger here in Lakeland.  That was my favorite stop many a night before it closed down.  When I was in the Panhandle recently, it was a priority to get my triple cheeseburger there for the ride home.

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Lakeland, FL

USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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2 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

Thank you! 

I miss having our Whataburger here in Lakeland.  That was my favorite stop many a night before it closed down.  When I was in the Panhandle recently, it was a priority to get my triple cheeseburger there for the ride home.

As King of the Off Topic Replies, I recommend the Breakfast Burger if you find yourself up there again. 

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41 minutes ago, kinzyjr said:

In that post, they are 10.5 years old.  I thought they might be younger, but I found their "baby pictures" dated April 2nd, 2006.

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Love it. It's cool to see all the years and care wrapped into one post.  So impressed. And It goes to show that you have to start somewhere! We bought a house 2 years ago and had a blank canvas so your post have been some good inspiration.  Thanks!

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