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Wanted to post pictures of the Yatay Mule that I put in the ground as a strap-leaved seedling in the summer of 2010.

It's showing about a foot of clean trunk now:

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And lookie here.....my first inflorescence on a hybrid:

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And another one:

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Bonus shot, Aiders with a Kashmir Mazari:

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Anybody see the Syagrus cerqueirana in the first pic. Almost blue like S. camplyospatha.

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Thanks for the pics! I was wondering how people with this hybrid were doing. It's a nice one, that's for sure. 

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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WOW! That’s a lot of growth and your lows are about the same as mine. LOL!  Outstanding!  How’s the other palms doing in your garden?

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Looks incredible!  And only six years in ground - that's crazy!  Great growing.  I can't wait for mine to look like that!

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On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

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Everything is thriving right now. Last winter never happened. 

Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F

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44 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Are you thinking about trying to back-cross?

Going to be impossible this year unless buffy has frozen pollen.  No butia will flower this late in the year.  

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49 minutes ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Are you thinking about trying to back-cross?

I wonder if Butia X Syagrus can cross with something else like Parajubaea. I know the whole fiasco with Syagrus x Parajubaea, but Butia x Parajubaea seems to be a regularly seen hybrid at this point, so maybe Butia x Syagrus would work too? 

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Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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8 minutes ago, Zeeth said:

I wonder if Butia X Syagrus can cross with something else like Parajubaea. I know the whole fiasco with Syagrus x Parajubaea, but Butia x Parajubaea seems to be a regularly seen hybrid at this point, so maybe Butia x Syagrus would work too? 

Worth a try!  I'd do some batches of Queen back-crosses first, I know I'd pay a lot for a (Yatay x Queen) x Queen. 

Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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7 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Going to be impossible this year unless buffy has frozen pollen.  No butia will flower this late in the year.  

Really? Butia's in this area bloom three or four times a year. We have many still blooming.

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Awesome growth ... and looking good. Hopefully nothing too cold comes it's way. Curious ... what has it endured for cold so far?

Cheers, Barrie.

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2 hours ago, NorthFlpalmguy said:

Nice specimen and growth rate! I'm curious on it's hardiness as well?

I still have plenty butias flowering here as well.

All I can say is it laughs at 19-21 degrees 3 days in a row and ice storms.  It is hardier than my standard mules.

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It's been good to 15F. 

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5 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Not here. They stop in july when it gets hot and wont flower until the next spring. 

Sure, but it forgot to get hot outside this year. I've probably only had five days over 95F this year. I'm confused on what you're saying? Are you saying these inflorescences, that are blasting out of the palm, won't produce flowers or viable pollen?

oh snap...I see what you're saying. You're saying pure Butia won't flower in the summer or fall here. That does match my experience in Texas.

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3 hours ago, buffy said:

Sure, but it forgot to get hot outside this year. I've probably only had five days over 95F this year. I'm confused on what you're saying? Are you saying these inflorescences, that are blasting out of the palm, won't produce flowers or viable pollen?

oh snap...I see what you're saying. You're saying pure Butia won't flower in the summer or fall here. That does match my experience in Texas.

Correct, for some reason Butia seem to stop flowering in July in Texas except down on the coast where they will flower in the fall/winter. I apologize for my hard to follow posts. 

The likelihood of your mule producing viable seed without being polinated back with butia/queen pollen is next to zero. Even if hand pollinated viable seed isn't guranteed to be produced. 

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Here's a picture of the inflorescence:

 

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On 8/31/2016, 6:28:08, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Correct, for some reason Butia seem to stop flowering in July in Texas except down on the coast where they will flower in the fall/winter. I apologize for my hard to follow posts. 

The likelihood of your mule producing viable seed without being polinated back with butia/queen pollen is next to zero. Even if hand pollinated viable seed isn't guranteed to be produced. 

Oh snap, here's my Butia odorata sending up a spathe when its not supposed to :)

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On 10/19/2016, 10:31:03, buffy said:

Here's a picture of the inflorescence:

 

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As a return to this thread. I received a slither of hope this weekend from my very damaged Yatay Queen. 8F unprotected is a bitch for pretty much anything.  In the spring, I removed all the fronds and started cutting deeper and deeper with not much promise. the frond bases still showed a smidge of green and there was a slight push upward of some of the fronds near the growing point which was a rotting mess. This weekend, the palm finally pushed three inches of material out the top. So we have a smidge of hope. Not much, but better than nothing. I fully expect it to grow for a few months and then croak, but you never know. If it makes it into winter, I will build a full enclosure around it and protect it from all cold. It takes two full years to build a full canopy.

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Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F

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On 6/4/2018, 4:14:36, buffy said:

As a return to this thread. I received a slither of hope this weekend from my very damaged Yatay Queen. 8F unprotected is a bitch for pretty much anything.  In the spring, I removed all the fronds and started cutting deeper and deeper with not much promise. the frond bases still showed a smidge of green and there was a slight push upward of some of the fronds near the growing point which was a rotting mess. This weekend, the palm finally pushed three inches of material out the top. So we have a smidge of hope. Not much, but better than nothing. I fully expect it to grow for a few months and then croak, but you never know. If it makes it into winter, I will build a full enclosure around it and protect it from all cold. It takes two full years to build a full canopy.

Any progress on how you Yatay mule is doing? It's a palm a very much want to try, I'm in a similar zone, officially an 8a but I get some moderation do to lake proximity. 

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On 29/08/2016 18:27:49, buffy said:

Anybody see the Syagrus cerqueirana in the first pic. Almost blue like S. camplyospatha.

Are the S. cerqueirana not very green?.....

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Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

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Wow, that was real cold there, Buffy! I'm curious to see how is the yatay mule. Any pics?

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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24 minutes ago, Alberto said:

Are the S. cerqueirana not very green?.....

I agree with you Alberto they olive green with leathery leafs as i remember to 

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Not much to show yet. Big trunk with about a foot and a half of new material sticking out. I have a little hope, but not much. If we get three fronds out the top, then I may change my outlook. Right now. Grim. 

Longview, Texas :: Record Low: -5F, Feb. 16, 2021 :: Borderline 8A/8B :: '06-'07: 18F / '07-'08: 21F / '08-'09: 21F / '09-'10: 14F / '10-'11: 15F / '11-'12: 24F / '12-'13: 23F / '13-'14: 15F / '14-'15: 20F / '15-'16: 27F / '16-'17: 15F / '17-'18: 8F / '18-'19: 23F / '19-'20: 19F / '20-'21: -5F / '21-'22: 20F

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Alberto: Turns out that the S. cerquierana is really Butia matogrossensis. Rarepalmseeds.com mislabeled the seeds. I know. Shocking. 

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On 05/07/2018, 14:30:00, buffy said:

Alberto: Turns out that the S. cerquierana is really Butia matogrossensis. Rarepalmseeds.com mislabeled the seeds. I know. Shocking. 

I think you was lucky with a Butia matogrossensis. At least they are a lot cold hardier than Syagrus cerqueirana. I have  a S. cerqueirana that shows burned leaves with the lightest radiational freeze.

Carambeí, 2nd tableland of the State Paraná , south Brazil.

Alt:1030m. Native palms: Queen, B. eriospatha, B. microspadix, Allagoptera leucocalyx , A.campestris, Geonoma schottiana, Trithrinax acanthocoma. Subtr. climate, some frosty nights. No dry season. August: driest month. Rain:1700mm

 

I am seeking for cold hardy palms!

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On 8/31/2016, 2:21:36, _Keith said:

All I can say is it laughs at 19-21 degrees 3 days in a row and ice storms.  It is hardier than my standard mules.

After last winter's multiple freezes with an ultimate low of 16, mine is alive but looks like crap.  Not sure it will ever again approach its former beauty, and it was a beauty.   

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I don't think it will be as cold this winter for the southern states, but it might be rainier than normal. If you guys can protect with rope lighting and covering when the temp goes below 20F they all should start to recover nicely next spring. This is one palm that is worth going that extra mile to protect. Good luck! 

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Mine is still on life support, but there's a bit of hope. I'll probably build a greenhouse around it this winter to let it keep growing. 

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So, I did end of building a temporary greenhouse around the palm. It has about 5 stunted fronds. It's slowly growing through the winter with no water in the crown. I have a fan keeping air moving in there and a space heater to keep things warmish. At least we're giving it a reasonable shot. 

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12 minutes ago, buffy said:

So, I did end of building a temporary greenhouse around the palm. It has about 5 stunted fronds. It's slowly growing through the winter with no water in the crown. I have a fan keeping air moving in there and a space heater to keep things warmish. At least we're giving it a reasonable shot. 

Good to hear! Fingers crossed it pulls through. So far this winters has been pretty mild, hopefully it will continue to be. 

 

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