Where Are Phoenix canariensis Most Northern(ly) Found?

[EastCanadaTropicals]

On 6/27/2017 at 3:00 PM, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

The best looking cidps in the country are in southern California all the way up to Sacramento IMO.

The best, most giant Cidps go up to Eureka, California, actually. They are very common, I'll show you some really old palms there:

Edited February 28, 2021 by EastCanadaTropicals

[EastCanadaTropicals]

On 1/11/2021 at 10:16 PM, Chester B said:

At this point in time it’s Gold beach, Oregon. Come back in 10  or 15 years. I have to imagine the lack of heat and excessive moisture in Tofino will do them in eventually. 

There is also a trunking one in Coos Bay.

[Mr.SamuraiSword]

Have mentioned these in other threads but think it deserves to be mentioned here, I saw 5 trunking CIDP on Hatteras island, and know of 6 more I found on google maps... Here are my photos (taken fall 2019)

Here is one in Buxton, has been there since at least 2007

these next 3 in Hatteras in a neighborhood called "Hatteras Landing"

Biggest one, has exposure to the Pamlico sound, viewable from the Ocracoke ferry when arriving in Hatteras.  Has been there since at least 2004 as I found photos from an old real estate listing.

Another in the same area. at least 2007.  Far more protected from the sound. Faces a marsh which probably helps with warming.

This one had the most exposure to the sound, and salt burn was present.  Due to coloration and trunk, almost seems like it has a small bit of Dactylifera.  present since at least 2007.

Smaller one in Frisco, unable to verify how old, but found real estate listing showing it almost completely defoliated after the January 2018 winter.  

Basically, Hatteras is the most northern area on the east coast where CIDP can be found unprotected and surviving for semi long term periods of time.

Edited February 28, 2021 by Mr.SamuraiSword

[Ryland]

On 2/28/2021 at 4:40 PM, EastCanadaTropicals said:

The best, most giant Cidps go up to Eureka, California, actually. They are very common, I'll show you some really old palms there:

Eureka and Arcata are the northernmost places on the west coast where CIDPs are "common" and looking great.  They are perfectly happy, as noted by others, going right up the coast another 100-200 miles with mature trees thriving in Brookings and Gold Beach (though you won't find any as old as the Eureka/Arcata ones, they look similarly good).  I always used to go to Brookings for holidays and insisted on driving tours around the town to see how many we could find.  I lived in Arcata and frequently travelled up and down this coast.

Arcata has a lot of them, some very big 100 year old trees, including quite a few of them at random old houses out of town, that were probably once old farm houses.  It seems like the whole area received a shipment of loads of them in the early 1900s and the locals all went CIDP crazy.  Here is the pair in Arcata plaza about ten years ago:

Though this stretch of the northern California and southern Oregon coast is the northernmost area on the west coast where they are well established long-term plants, I have heard of further north CIDPs being grown further north, such as the Puget Sound area and the Tofino one that's been mentioned.  It would be great to see photos of these.  Based on the climate along the Oregon coast in particular, it seems like their reliable growing range could certainly be pushed further north if people try them.

[Ryland]

Outside of north America though, they certainly do well in parts of England, with the northernmost established one we know of in Scarborough at 54 degrees north.

[Arecaceus]

The way you spot a CIDP being grown as a zone pusher anywhere in the world is the bad pruning lol! It seems that people who are not familiar with them don't know how to prune them. That's the same way they often look in the UK.

[Foxpalms]

On 4/23/2021 at 11:36 AM, Ryland said:

Outside of north America though, they certainly do well in parts of England, with the northernmost established one we know of in Scarborough at 54 degrees north.

That's what I would go with 54N. But I would be surprised if there were 1 or 2 planted in costal regions of the UK at 55N.

[Foxpalms]

3 hours ago, Hortulanus said:

The way you spot a CIDP being grown as a zone pusher anywhere in the world is the bad pruning lol! It seems that people who are not familiar with them don't know how to prune them. That's the same way they often look in the UK.

Most of the ones in the UK have full crowns and never get pruned. Some do though which usually is in the more wealthy parts of London, along the coast where the councils prune them or at botanical gardens.

[Arecaceus]

16 hours ago, Foxpalms said:

Most of the ones in the UK have full crowns and never get pruned. Some do though which usually is in the more wealthy parts of London, along the coast where the councils prune them or at botanical gardens.

Yup true. But most of the ones I have seen in London gardens are badly pruned, usually with all the spikes on the trunk. Especially the ones in the front of houses in the city. The official plantings always look fabulous, especially in Cornwall at the coast.

[UK_Palms]

24 minutes ago, Hortulanus said:

Yup true. But most of the ones I have seen in London gardens are badly pruned, usually with all the spikes on the trunk. Especially the ones in the front of houses in the city. The official plantings always look fabulous, especially in Cornwall at the coast.

These are some of the worst over-trimmed ones that I have seen in London. They used to look amazing with big crowns, but I think the local council has realised they can save time and money by doing one heavy trim every couple of years now. They'll probably look good again in another year or two, providing they don't get hacked back again badly.

[Arecaceus]

28 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

These are some of the worst over-trimmed ones that I have seen in London. They used to look amazing with big crowns, but I think the local council has realised they can save time and money by doing one heavy trim every couple of years now. They'll probably look good again in another year or two, providing they don't get hacked back again badly.

Well at least they are pruned properly. LOL... Well kind of... Yes they are a bit overtrimmed, but that's still alright. In Southern Europe or South America they usually look the same way when they are not as tall and are allowed to develop a full crown as soon as they are high enough. I just hope not too many CIDP get chopped down in London, so one day there are some tall old ones with round crowns and leaves hanging down!

[UK_Palms]

25 minutes ago, Hortulanus said:

Well at least they are pruned properly. LOL... Well kind of... Yes they are a bit overtrimmed, but that's still alright. In Southern Europe or South America they usually look the same way when they are not as tall and are allowed to develop a full crown as soon as they are high enough. I just hope not too many CIDP get chopped down in London, so one day there are some tall old ones with round crowns and leaves hanging down!

This is the biggest one I know of in London at street level planted small in the late 80’s, located in Fulham. This is the biggest CIDP in the world relevant to distance from the equator. However there are a number of other big ‘ancient’ ones tucked away in private back yards. Some that may predate the 1970’s even. The same with Washingtonia’s too. I know of a huge 50+ footer Robusta in a Mayfair (central London) back yard that cannot be photographed. It’s almost like an LA style one with a massive, skinny elongated trunk. Hopefully the other seeding Washingtonia’s are okay in this freeze. They won’t be killed, but the seeds may lose viability potentially.

Edited December 9, 2022 by UK_Palms

[Arecaceus]

53 minutes ago, UK_Palms said:

This is the biggest one I know of in London at street level planted small in the late 80’s, located in Fulham. This is the biggest CIDP in the world relevant to distance from the equator. However there are a number of other big ‘ancient’ ones tucked away in private back yards. Some that may predate the 1970’s even. The same with Washingtonia’s too. I know of a huge 50+ footer Robusta in a Mayfair (central London) back yard that cannot be photographed. It’s almost like an LA style one with a massive, skinny elongated trunk. Hopefully the other seeding Washingtonia’s are okay in this freeze. They won’t be killed, but the seeds may lose viability potentially.

Oh yeah I know that one from the photo. This was the first famous London CIDP going through the forums back in the 2000s. Lol! I've seen a lot of the palms on my visits to London and the Cornwall. And of course all the pictures on the internet. This starts to look like what I was talking about. I bet that the other CIDP that were planted later in more space are growing fast though, also because of the hotter summers nowadays. Washingtonias are also very common now in London. The most impressive to me is still the filifera with that fat trunk right next to the drive way.

[Yeehova]

Just visited Holden Beach, NC today and passed a nice looking CIDP.

[KsLouisiana]

On 7/29/2018 at 3:06 PM, Mr.SamuraiSword said:

just to add heres some in brunswick georgia these must be 100 years old

NOT MY PICS

 

 

Cali is great and I love it, but I prefer to see a big beautiful live oak with spanish moss in the background of my CIDP 

[KsLouisiana]

New Orleans has some amazing canary islands but Lake Charles does too. This is probably the best one I know of in the city. Catholic churches always seem to plant them and that's fine by me!