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Starting Coco Nucifera in Tijuana

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Hello everyone! I have been waiting for almost a week to be approved membership so I can post this. Great forum BTW. It's my first horticulture forum I've ever joined. Nevertheless I have been lurking for the past 3 weeks.

Two weeks ago I planted my very first yellow Malayan Dwarf seedling in my yard. The yard is on the east side of Tijuana, Mexico. 

My "garden" is a narrow strip where I currently have three Washingtonian Robustas, a couple of blue agave plants, a guava startup and a couple Peruvian tree cacti.

The strip is 1.2 meters wide x 13 meters long. Fence to the immediate south and driveway to the north. The strip is about 1 foot below driveway level. Driveway rain flows to a storm drain on the north, It does not affect the garden. Driveway has a minute angle-tilt towards the northwest.  There is a lot of sandy loam soil underneath the driveway. 

The strip garden is against a southern-facing 6ft tall red stained dog-eared fir fence with  3/16" gaps between each plank and sits atop a 20 foot-high rock retaining wall with horizontal-placed cinder blocks on top in between the fence and the wall. (Soil drainage is excellent)

To the immediate west of the strip I have a outhouse room (planning on setting up a small mom-pop shop someday) which, fortuitously, deflects the wind coming in street side. That outhouse wall is twelve feet high.  And 3m (9ft) to the east of the garden strip is a 16 foot wall (carport).

The idea is to plant another, this time,  two green malayan dwarfs. One smack middle of the strip and one closest to the carport (east). I currently have the original sandy loam 50% 50% soil for the malayan yellow seedling. Had I read Cristóbal's post about using pure sand two weeks ago, I would have. I don't want to disturb the seedling as it is currently. However for the other two which are coming in here shortly, I already have two 1x1 meter holes with pure sand ready. (Hopefully this will help for heat absorption for the wintertime).

It goes without saying the fence and the rock retaining wall which take up the sun for a good portion of the day make up a nice micro climate for the strip garden. Weather is 84F in TJ today, it is 97F in the garden. The soil temps currently are 85F @ 6"  and 90F @ 3" . I am planning on adding some heat lamps for those sporadic cold spells. I read Royalpalms' account on how he has applied hardware store heat lamp(s) on his coconut palm bud for winter. (I would LOVE to know how many lamps, the type, the wattage and the distance from the tree). I would like to set up in the immediate future, three IR heat lamps on top of the fence looking down at the seedlings for COLD winter nights. But I need some pointers on how much heat is actually needed.  Come fall I will add black rocks to the surface hopefully I can elevate the humidity. It has been great for the past two weeks. I still mist at night and early morning.  

I really think these Malayan dwarfs will have a chance.  Please bombard me with pointers and tips. I have learned a lot from reading threads in this forum.

As an interesting snippet: I happened the other day on a website which actually updates the hardiness zones. They aren't based off the 2012 USDA Hardiness zone map.

http://www.plantsdb.gr/en/general-cultivation/hardiness-zones/275-hardiness-zones-central-south-america

Seems they have Tijuana as an 11a.   I know, it's funny. But It may* be closer to reality than the 10a..

Kind regards,

 

Alex in TJ

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

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@3:00pm PST (Garden's own micro climate)

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3:00pm PST  @6"

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Yes, it's next to the blue agave.  The agave will have to go once the seedling takes off.

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A song for a bit of levity and hope...

https://youtu.be/w0AOGeqOnFY

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Good luck with your coconut palms. I'm pretty sure they'll do good. Sounds like you have a sweet spot for them :greenthumb:

There are a few growing north of you near the Salton Sea and the Palm Springs area. 

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Here's the second one:

Got a three footer with 11 inches of exposed root.

3ft x 3ft pit, 2ft deep pure sand.

87 degrees in TJ today, 98 in the garden.

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20 hours ago, Danilopez89 said:

Good luck with your coconut palms. I'm pretty sure they'll do good. Sounds like you have a sweet spot for them :greenthumb:

There are a few growing north of you near the Salton Sea and the Palm Springs area. 

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Wow!!!!

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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3 hours ago, Josh-O said:

Wow!!!!

Those Coconut Palms are amazing to say the least.

That cement walkway helps a lot to elevate the temperature when needed.

Are those recent pictures?

 

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15 hours ago, GottmitAlex said:

Those Coconut Palms are amazing to say the least.

That cement walkway helps a lot to elevate the temperature when needed.

Are those recent pictures?

 

Yes these are recent pictures. Here's another one that got chopped down last year. 

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That's a real shame.

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Here's the third, and last one. Car port side (east).

 

 

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Ok so I need help. Checking the first one I planted: The Malayan Dwarf Golden: The smaller and mid sized petioles stem side have linear incisions.

The larger petioles are (currently) clean.

Help!

 

 

    

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The third one I planted, a Malayan dwarf green is presenting scars on its largest petioles. The small petioles are clean.

Any pointers?

 

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The coconut tree

is adaptable you see

might even grow

and fruit in Californee . . .

AND

Tee-Jay!

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Alex!

Welcome to Palm Talk!

We'll never EVER say your palms are ugly.

(NEVER!)

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Could this be photo-oxidative stress on the seedlings?

They are on the north side of a south facing fence. They get direct sunlight from 9am to about noon, then it's shade till about 2pm when I "activate" the large mirrors to redirect sunlight to the seedlings. I dunno. I'm not magnifying heat nor using a lens, just regular 1:1 old school 4ft x 2ft mirrors.

 

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2 minutes ago, DoomsDave said:

Alex!

Welcome to Palm Talk!

We'll never EVER say your palms are ugly.

(NEVER!)

HAHAHA!!

Thanks!

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HAHAHA!!

Thanks!

See the freebie blurb for free Brahea seeds!

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Here is an update on the garden.

Don't mind the roofing shingles which are stacked up on the ground.

I took Walt's advice and opened up a few planks from the fence. What you see on the other side is the roof of the neighbors house. The garden rests 26' above the neighbor's ground lvl. Over a rock-retaining wall.

The Sun hits the coconuts from above from about 8:00am till noon. And then for about 1 hour through the opened fence spaces. (and through mirrors)

The Fenestralis only gets indirect, reflected sunlight during the day and about 40 min afternoon direct sun through an opening in the fence. (Very much controlled). It's doing exceptionally well.

The soil is moist two inches beneath the surface.  Its new emerging leaf has the form of a shuttlecock.  (Al also included a shot of it from last night.)

I'll keep y'all updated.

 

 

 

 

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Two years in the making

 

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On 7/30/2016, 2:55:14, Danilopez89 said:

Good luck with your coconut palms. I'm pretty sure they'll do good. Sounds like you have a sweet spot for them :greenthumb:

There are a few growing north of you near the Salton Sea and the Palm Springs area. 

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Does anyone here have any updates on this coconut grove in the Salton Sea?

 

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11 minutes ago, kylecawazafla said:

Here they are 10 months ago... not getting watered :( 

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Yikes.... did they make it through winter?

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@GottmitAlex Keep up the good work!

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USDA Zone 1990: 9a  2012: 9b  2023: 10a | Sunset Zone: 26 | Record Low: 20F/-6.67C (Jan. 1985, Dec.1962) | Record Low USDA Zone: 9a

30-Year Avg. Low: 30F | 30-year Min: 24F

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They're growing!

Thanks everyone!

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Coconuts are looking awesome, can't wait for mine to get it's true leaves!! When did your green malayan go pinnate? I feel like I should be reaching the mark since the I planted mine in July of last year B):greenthumb:

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They took a year to go pinnate.

 

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