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Chamaerops


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Now back to the cerifera hybrids of mine always with cerifera as father. The biggest one grows in the two ground and has retained from father the duplicifolia habit (mother has almost not split segments), while it kept green color from mother. 

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But it is armed with densely arranged spines spreading at a right angle from the petiole, just like father does, albeit they are yellow instead of black, but during the very early growth stages of the plant it's spines used to be also black. Mother has btw a very weak spiny habit. 

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My other hybrid (parents are the same) is still small in a pot, it had been transplanted there from the ground, where it had sprouted accidentally. Chamaerops hates transplant and therefore my plant will require some years to come back from inflicted setback, nevertheless some traits are already apparent. It inherited from father a subglaucous color and from mother almost entire segments. Quite the reverse situation compared to first hybrid! But it seems that it will also have a strong spiny habit. 

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23 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

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23 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Do you notice the difference in size between plants in the two pots? The plants in the pot on the right side are larger though they grow under identical conditions and all have same age exactly. Actually a view from above does not reveal considerable differences on leaf shape between the two groups. Group on the leftIMG_20160723_125844.thumb.jpg.18c03562a4

Hi Konstaninos.

vulcanos seem to be very variable also, y have two of them, one is like this one, very beutiful, mine has a lot tomentum.

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22 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Leaf detail 

 

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Wow! Very elongated inflorescence!

chamaerops Armata?LOL!

best regards.

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I had my eye on this chamaerops as it seems to grow faster and is more robust than the one next to it, which was only slightly smaller when planted.

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I have a cerifera and vulcano with black petioles, they grow pretty fast, but i´m not sure if they grow faster then the others.

@Phoenikakias, have you noticed any growth difference afterwards or did you change mind on this subject?

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3 hours ago, Subwoofer said:

I have a cerifera and vulcano with black petioles, they grow pretty fast, but i´m not sure if they grow faster then the others.

@Phoenikakias, have you noticed any growth difference afterwards or did you change mind on this subject?

Nope, I still insist. I posted in this thread almost 7 years ago pictures of two of my Chamaerops, one with blackish/purple petioles and the other with green petioles. Here are pictures of same plants taken last summer, that is 6 years after previous ones. The new growth in the intervening time of the purple-petioled specimen is remarkable, while in the other specimen it is not so.

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On 7/23/2016 at 10:33 PM, Phoenikakias said:

IMG_20160723_123418.thumb.jpg.eed556de9aOk, this is an offshoot about 6 y.o., which has no whatever resemblance to cerifera but it has black/purple leaf bases. In terms of growth speed for Chamaerops it is a beast.

 

On 7/25/2016 at 12:36 PM, Phoenikakias said:

Now back to the cerifera hybrids of mine always with cerifera as father. The biggest one grows in the two ground and has retained from father the duplicifolia habit (mother has almost not split segments), while it kept green color from mother. 

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Previous pictures!

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These are 2 that were the same height when planted. You can see the one on the right has a larger crown and is higher overall. This is the one with dark petioles.

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17 hours ago, Phoenikakias said:

Nope, I still insist. I posted in this thread almost 7 years ago pictures of two of my Chamaerops, one with blackish/purple petioles and the other with green petioles. Here are pictures of same plants taken last summer, that is 6 years after previous ones. The new growth in the intervening time of the purple-petioled specimen is remarkable, while in the other specimen it is not so.

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Thanks for the fast reply. I dug true my old pictures and found these from my cerifera.

I will say i´m in a cold climate and didn´t water enough for the first 2 summers, growth rate is about 10cm trunk a year i think.

7 june 2018 -> 19 februari 2023

 

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14 hours ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

These are 2 that were the same height when planted. You can see the one on the right has a larger crown and is higher overall. This is the one with dark petioles.

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Thanks for the pictures, i´m i wrong to think your first pictures stated the one on the left was faster en nog the one on the right, the houses seem to have changes a lot so it´s hard to see 😅

here are some pictures of my vulcano growth

This one grows pretty fast, cold climate but full sun, i think about 15cm trunk a year.

21 march 2022 -> 19 februari 2023

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56 minutes ago, Subwoofer said:

Thanks for the pictures, i´m i wrong to think your first pictures stated the one on the left was faster en nog the one on the right, the houses seem to have changes a lot so it´s hard to see 😅

here are some pictures of my vulcano growth

This one grows pretty fast, cold climate but full sun, i think about 15cm trunk a year.

21 march 2022 -> 19 februari 2023

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I understand the confusion, the first one is a different house with a fast chamaerops on the left. The last picture shows a garden with more recent plantings in which the chamaerops on the right is faster.

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10 minutes ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

I understand the confusion, the first one is a different house with a fast chamaerops on the left. The last picture shows a garden with more recent plantings in which the chamaerops on the right is faster.

Ah, now i see, great! Did any of these get damaged this winter and howmuch frost did you get? We got -8c in belgium, no damage.

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15 hours ago, Axel Amsterdam said:

These are 2 that were the same height when planted. You can see the one on the right has a larger crown and is higher overall. This is the one with dark petioles.

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half a year earlier, you can see the dark petioles is establishing faster

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18 hours ago, Subwoofer said:

Ah, now i see, great! Did any of these get damaged this winter and howmuch frost did you get? We got -8c in belgium, no damage.

No, chamaerops have proven to be hardy in the last decade around here. It is a fairly regular garden plant. 

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