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Got a few more shots now that I had the chance to clean her up a bit.  This is the first palm I've owned that is legitimately trunking and peeling back the dead husk to reveal the trunk segments was really cool.  What a beautiful little palm :D

 

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Motivated by @PsyPalm ’s last post I have cleaned the stem of my youngest L wedd N°1308 a little bit more up to the base of leaf #23 (included):

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This palm is one of the smaller types; it suffered last winter under heavy storms which broke a couple of very nice fronds … :(

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On 6/16/2021 at 3:25 PM, PsyPalm said:

Just arrived today from Wekiva Foliage in FL!  

A decent number the existing fronds were broken from being squeezed into a box but overall the palm appears very big and healthy, it should bounce back in no time :D

Here's the listing where I purchased it if anyone's interested: https://www.bonanza.com/listings/Wedding-Palm-Live-Plant-in-a-3-Gallon-Growers-Pot-Lytocaryum-Weddellianum-/1059074336?goog_pla=1

 

 

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Stunning! Glad it finally arrived 

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On 5/16/2020 at 6:32 PM, Pal Meir said:

I am using a slightly acidic spring water from Odenwald mountains (Buntsandstein over granite) near Heidelberg. (This soft water is also ideal for tea.) — My watering depends on the size of the pot, the season, and the growth rate of the palm.

The soil mix for small pots is 1/3 Seramis + 2/3 fine pine bark or 1/2 Seramis + 1/2 fine bark;

for bigger pots 1/4 LECA + 1/4 Seramis + 2/4 fine pine bark or 1/3 LECA + 1/3 Seramis + 1/3 fine pine bark:

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LECA is similar to basaltic lava foam (e.g. from Hawaii) which is lighter than water (but not pumice!).

Here is a very interesting video testing the properties of the three main ingredients in discussion, namely seramis,  leca and pine bark: 

It is imo essential that we are aware of the water retaining  capacity for each of those ingredients. Then we may conclude which purposes each one serves best and consequently which ingredient matches best the particular growing conditions.   Catchline is that seramis withholds many times more water than leca. Latter withholds slightly more water than pine bark and both ingredients withhold only a very minute water quantity compared to seramis. Lava withholds even a bit more water than leca. It is self evident than under growing conditions in living room seramis can turn out more suitable and conversely in a greenhouse equipped with sprinklers and a general irrigation scheme controlled by timer the use of seramis may cause many problems in contrast to leca. 

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Had some trouble finding these ingredients locally....finally found a Turface MVP supplier locally via the Turface website @ $17 for a 50 pound bag.   Found smaller pine bark at the local pet store listed as "Reptile Bark" ( though going to check the local landscape mulch supplier for a better option) @ $18 a bag.

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28 minutes ago, Scott W said:

Had some trouble finding these ingredients locally....finally found a Turface MVP supplier locally via the Turface website @ $17 for a 50 pound bag.   Found smaller pine bark at the local pet store listed as "Reptile Bark" ( though going to check the local landscape mulch supplier for a better option) @ $18 a bag.

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Bonsai Jack sells "mondo clay" which is basically really expensive but size controlled Turface. Jack even mentions it comes from the same manufacturer on his website. I ordered from him because on paper 50 pounds is more than enough for me to re-pot literally all of my palms which seems excessive, but here I am needing to repot almost all of my palms so *shrugs*

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1 minute ago, JohnAndSancho said:

Bonsai Jack sells "mondo clay" which is basically really expensive but size controlled Turface. Jack even mentions it comes from the same manufacturer on his website. I ordered from him because on paper 50 pounds is more than enough for me to re-pot literally all of my palms which seems excessive, but here I am needing to repot almost all of my palms so *shrugs*

Thanks for the info....

Was really needing something literally today so I could pot up my newest palms from Floribunda.  Also have a few Lytocaryum weddellianum and hoehnei that I need to put up to 7 gallons...if I don't put them all in the ground....

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1 minute ago, Scott W said:

Thanks for the info....

Was really needing something literally today so I could pot up my newest palms from Floribunda.  Also have a few Lytocaryum weddellianum and hoehnei that I need to put up to 7 gallons...if I don't put them all in the ground....

The world needs pics. 

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19 hours ago, JohnAndSancho said:

The world needs pics. 

11 Lytocaryum hoehnei in 3 gallon with two flowering...

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11 Lytocaryum weddellianum in 3 gallon...

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4 Lytocaryum hoehnei in 4 inch....

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6 Lytocaryum insigne in various pots sizes (because of the root lengths)...

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Lytocaryum weddellianum baby...

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Dunno if this counts but my Butia x L. Weddellanium is going pinnate. Also just bought a 1g wedd off eBay, I'll post pics when I get it. 

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@Scott W  

Lordt i love these. Thanks for sharing. I've got 2 little seedlings i bought at an end-of-year sale - they're pinnate but tiny, no clue of their age

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13 hours ago, JohnAndSancho said:

Dunno if this counts but my Butia x L. Weddellanium is going pinnate. Also just bought a 1g wedd off eBay, I'll post pics when I get it. 

The Butia x weddellianum should be a nice looking palm!  My hope is to do this cross as well as produce pure Lytocaryum species, aside from enjoying their beauty!

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Had no idea this guy was gonna show up bare rooted. Makes me nervous because I know how sensitive their roots are. Also I'm totally out of Turface and bark. @Scott W @Laaz @Pal Meir thoughts? Think it'll be ok if I sub the Turface with some permits or gravel from the big box store? I have some LECA and I can go to Petco and get more bark on my way home. 

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Any chance of getting some Turface local as well?

While I'm no expert, I got my potted 3 gallons from MB Palms in Orlando and none of these had Turface and pine bark in the pitting mix.  Mike also had at least a dozen in the ground that he said he didn't add any soil amendment to either and they all looked healthy and many were flowering.  So, that being said, guess it depends on what you have in store for this one, but if you had to I'd say a a mix of large grain sand (like pool filter sand),  pumice if you can get it and the bark would suffice (perlite if no pumice)

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3 minutes ago, Scott W said:

Any chance of getting some Turface local as well?

50 pounds is a lot for me. I live in a studio apartment lol. Guess I'll see what the orange box store has, or just take a gamble with adding bark and LECA to the soil I've got. I think this one is gonna stay in my office so it won't get watered quite every day. *shrugs*

 

I just don't want to kill it since these are so hard to find now. 

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I guess I'm gambling and mixing bark and perlite into my palm soil. Fingers crossed lol. 

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Decided to skip the perlite since all I could find was Miracle Gro brand and it's got their plant food in it. 24oz Dos Equis for scale and can 10/10 confirm this soil drains almost as well as the Pal Meir blend. It's not as green as my seedlings but I'm sure there's some transplant and shipping shock going on. Hope it lives. 

 

@PsyPalm Wekivia ran out of the bigger ones but I found this on eBay. 

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On 7/24/2021 at 1:43 AM, JohnAndSancho said:

Decided to skip the perlite since all I could find was Miracle Gro brand and it's got their plant food in it. 24oz Dos Equis for scale and can 10/10 confirm this soil drains almost as well as the Pal Meir blend. It's not as green as my seedlings but I'm sure there's some transplant and shipping shock going on. Hope it lives. 

 

@PsyPalm Wekivia ran out of the bigger ones but I found this on eBay. 

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That is a really HUGE pot, bigger than almost all of my L weddellianum pots … (Only N°1303 has a pot of similar size.)

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I've been experimenting with different ways of lighting/displaying my lytos, thought I'd share some pics.  I'm absolutely blown away by how gorgeous the pinnae are on these palms, especially how the top side has a natural green gloss and the bottom has that silvery white sheen.  Looks incredible at night when you add cool lights :D

Very thankful to this thread for introducing me to this species, @Pal Meir I understand now why your place is filled with these, I can't get enough.

 

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Happy birth…, er … germination-day! :wub:

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I have got N°1301 a bigger double pot for her 9th germination day.

The more slender and much smaller N°1302 is still in her old (too small) double pot:

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I bought these as seedlings a while ago. They're in 6" clay pots as close as I could get to your soil mix @Pal Meir 

 

I'm gonna keep showing them pictures of your Lytos in hopes that it inspires them to grow more. They get filtered water and one of them got some slow release fertilizer as an experiment. Both rarely but ocasionally get diluted fish fertilizer in their water. This soil mixture drains ridiculously fast, and whatever ends up in the saucer goes to my gigantic C. Cataractarum. 

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Hi everybody! First of all my sincere apologies for just vanishing from the forum for the last few years! I've been going through some of the most difficult times of my life, and just now started to get my life back on track again.

In a nutshell, my wife went psycho, I got divorced, my father died abruptly and way too soon and now I'm trying to deal with the mother of my 2 daughters the best way I know how.  As a lot of horrible stuff happened along the way, the judge ruled that the kids should remain under my care. So now I'm a very busy single dad with not a lot of time for hobby's. I refuse to sit down and feel a victim however and with picking up the pieces, comes also a new injection of motivation in an allmost lost hobby.

I still have some very nice palmy remains of what once was a dedicated palm collection, regretfully there have also been some losses.

The best thing that still remains is my 2006 (germination date) wedd. It's been flowering since, I believe, 2015. There should be some records of it here on the forum. 

A couple of months back it flowered again with 3 flower stalks. I hand pollinated one of the stalks and 11 fruits are now allmost at the point of coloring up and bursting open to reveal the tiny coconuts! Looking forward to germinating these little buggers again!

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I hope some of you guys can forgive me for my abrupt absence and hope to post something here every now and then

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@Pal Meir @Kai

How come the weddellianum aren't as popularly sold as houseplants while the 'similar' minitature palm roebelenii is? I think weddellianum looks much better. What are the cons compared to roebelenii in taking care of it? There must be a catch to this because horticulturalists are shrewd businessmen who wouldn't easily let up on mass producing weddellianums.

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That and they're rare and endangered and expensive and slow. I love mine but going on 2 years and I doubt they're 6" tall. 

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On 7/14/2021 at 9:18 PM, Scott W said:

Had some trouble finding these ingredients locally....finally found a Turface MVP supplier locally via the Turface website @ $17 for a 50 pound bag.   Found smaller pine bark at the local pet store listed as "Reptile Bark" ( though going to check the local landscape mulch supplier for a better option) @ $18 a bag.

I know this is an old thread, but I found Turface MVP at my local Ewing Irrigation.  I think it was about $14.50 per 50lb bag.  I also had a heck of a time finding "small bark nuggets" until I ran across them at a local nursery.  They had big nuggets in 5cuft bags for $10 and small nuggets for $3.  I guess everyone wants the big nuggets so they look pretty on their mulch beds...so the little pieces are cheap!  Some of it is still too big for a small pot (1g or smaller) so I just chuck the big pieces out into a random bed area.

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6 hours ago, Merlyn said:

I know this is an old thread, but I found Turface MVP at my local Ewing Irrigation.  I think it was about $14.50 per 50lb bag.  I also had a heck of a time finding "small bark nuggets" until I ran across them at a local nursery.  They had big nuggets in 5cuft bags for $10 and small nuggets for $3.  I guess everyone wants the big nuggets so they look pretty on their mulch beds...so the little pieces are cheap!  Some of it is still too big for a small pot (1g or smaller) so I just chuck the big pieces out into a random bed area.

I use ReptiBark from Petco. 

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On 4/25/2022 at 9:19 PM, JohnAndSancho said:

I use ReptiBark from Petco. 

Yeah I ordered a ton of that last year as for whatever reason it was ridiculously cheap when buying online. The reorder price was 5 times as much so cancelled it ....:bummed:

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3 minutes ago, Scott W said:

Yeah I ordered a ton of that last year as for whatever reason it was ridiculously cheap when buying online. The reorder price was 5 times as much so cancelled it ....:bummed:

Everything is going up except our paychecks, fam. 

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I just joined the lyto club and ordered some seeds. Will follow all the recommendations of this thread. It is such a lovely palm.

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On 7/23/2021 at 6:43 PM, JohnAndSancho said:

Decided to skip the perlite since all I could find was Miracle Gro brand and it's got their plant food in it. 24oz Dos Equis for scale and can 10/10 confirm this soil drains almost as well as the Pal Meir blend. It's not as green as my seedlings but I'm sure there's some transplant and shipping shock going on. Hope it lives. 

 

@PsyPalm Wekivia ran out of the bigger ones but I found this on eBay. 

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Bumping this thread. This one died pretty quick. What, if anything, should I use to fertilize my seedlings? I've had them for about 18 months now and they're growing at a snails pace. Summoning the Lytocaryum genius's @Pal Meir and @Laaz for guidance.

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Bumping this thread again. They're growing but at a glacial pace. Fertilizer? Watering schedule? Anabolic steroids? @Pal Meir @Laaz they're indoors under a grow light in clay pots. I've been hesitant to fertilize since I've read they don't like it. So for the past 2 years they've got water and kind words. These are some of my favorites albeit slowest growers. So elegant yet so painfully sloooooooooooooooow. 

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Some years ago I received a batch of L. weddellianum seeds from a kind member of this forum. The parent palm grew in his garden and was a healthy specimen. I think I got about 50 seeds in the mail as that was the yield of one inflorescence.

The seeds were fresh and within a week all but a few had germinated. The seedlings grew with the normal variations in leaf size and width to be expected. All but one.

That one seedling has turned out not what you would expect from a typical L. weddellianum. But I'm not sure what to make of it either. Maybe someone here can shed some light on what might be an accidental hybrid.

 

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Alright guys, I've been scouring the web for a while now and I finally found some lyto seeds for sale!  I bought a germinated pair from an ebay seller in Hawaii for $22 (attached the picture from the listing for reference). They're currently in a sealed bag of moist sphagnum and I wanted to get your guys' input on what my game plan should be once they arrive.  Keep in sphagnum or transfer to another medium? And if so, should I just go straight to the famous @Pal Meir mix or do something not quite so well draining for a transition period?  My concern is that it'll be too big of a shock to go from their super humid sealed sphagnum bag to such a fast draining mix.  My plan regardless is to give them a week or so in their current moss bag once they arrive to overcome any shipping shock, and once they arrive I'll post more detailed pictures of the roots to better gauge their age and tolerance for transplanting.  Thanks in advance!

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@PsyPalm @Scott W what do y'all use for fertilizer? Mine are growing but I feel like they're slower than they should be. Maybe my apartment is too cold? Maybe they're too far from the grow light? Maybe I don't water often enough in Pal's mix? Maybe I'm impatient? 

 

Dec 2020 to today 

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