Phoenikakias Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 (edited) Pal, your pics show your "keenness" , so are you using "grow lights" or a "heated" Hot house to get great growth with many of those palms since winters are so "freezing cold" @ 52 deg Nth of the Equator?? Keep Keen Pete After the seeds had germinated I don't use bottom heat (I did this only in arlier times, but it wasn’t good for the roots at all; pic 1) or a special greenhouse for the seedlings, but placed them on the floor of a living room (pic 2) or on a window sill (pics 3). When the winter (or even the summer) was too dark here, I placed some palms e.g. under a reading lamp (pics 4&5). Other palms like Chamaerops and Trachycarpus were all the year outdoors; only during heavy or long lasting freezes I put them into a greenhouse (pics 6&7). As I like to live together with palms I have them in my living room (as you can see also with the Phoenix rupicola (pic 8), that I had carried into the garden only for taking a better photo. I have 'leider' to disagree with this statement as a general rule. I have very positive results for many more tropical palms and even Chamedorea plants when i combine bottom heat with a cold frame with open windows in winter. 'Ansonsten' great job as other people have pointed out already, kudos! Edited August 21, 2015 by Phoenikakias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Livistona chinensis var. subglobosa, before & after 7 years Have you any saved picures of the supposed subglobose seeds? I try in vain to find any pictures in google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Pal, your pics show your "keenness" , so are you using "grow lights" or a "heated" Hot house to get great growth with many of those palms since winters are so "freezing cold" @ 52 deg Nth of the Equator?? Keep Keen Pete After the seeds had germinated I don't use bottom heat (I did this only in arlier times, but it wasn’t good for the roots at all; pic 1) or a special greenhouse for the seedlings, but placed them on the floor of a living room (pic 2) or on a window sill (pics 3). When the winter (or even the summer) was too dark here, I placed some palms e.g. under a reading lamp (pics 4&5). Other palms like Chamaerops and Trachycarpus were all the year outdoors; only during heavy or long lasting freezes I put them into a greenhouse (pics 6&7). As I like to live together with palms I have them in my living room (as you can see also with the Phoenix rupicola (pic 8), that I had carried into the garden only for taking a better photo. I have 'leider' to disagree with this statement as a general rule. I have very positive results for many more tropical palms and even Chamedorea plants when i combine bottom heat with a cold frame with open windows in winter. 'Ansonsten' great job as other people have pointed out already, kudos! My remarks are focussed on the roots of Lytocaryum (Syagrus) weddellianum. But I think also that the heating system I used then wasn’t the best one … My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 Livistona chinensis var. subglobosa, before & after 7 years Have you any saved picures of the supposed subglobose seeds? I try in vain to find any pictures in google. I can’t (leider) find neither an old photo nor old seeds which didn’t germinate, but only the photo of the Japanese parent tree in habitat: My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 And besides the above photo I found one pic of 2 seedlings from July 1981, but couln’t detect the seeds any more: My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted August 21, 2015 Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 In every case I am thankful to you for your efforts. Have you personally experienced any difference in growing habit and/or morphology of the subglobosa compared with the regular Chinensis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2015 In every case I am thankful to you for your efforts. Have you personally experienced any difference in growing habit and/or morphology of the subglobosa compared with the regular Chinensis? In habitat or as road trees I saw only the Japanese (on Aoshima/Kyûshû) and the Ryûkyûan (on Okinawa, Ishigaki, and Iriomote) type of L. chinensis. Other L. chinensis I saw stood in botanical gardens or parks in Asia, Australia, and Europe. The differences I could see belonged only to the different climates of the locations, as I had no chance to compare other details like fruits, seeds, or blossoms. My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2015 Livistona chinensis var. subglobosa, before & after 7 years Have you any saved picures of the supposed subglobose seeds? I try in vain to find any pictures in google. On Flickr I have found this link with good photos of (Taiwanese) L. chinensis var. subglobosa seeds: https://www.flickr.com/photos/mingiweng/5369679034 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Just as I thought, fruits are slightly to inconspicuouly more rounded than those of regular chinensis, but seeds look very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howeadypsis Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Great pics Pal Larry Shone in wet and sunny north-east England! Zone9 ish Tie two fish together and though they have two tails they cannot swim <>< ><> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Just as I thought, fruits are slightly to inconspicuouly more rounded than those of regular chinensis, but seeds look very similar. But to me normal (i.e. non-subglobosa) seeds look more elongated; maybe yours are seeds from a L. ch. subglobosa? Normal (non-subglobosa) L. chinensis seeds: My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 For the claimed differences between var. subglobosa and var. chinensis cf. also the interesting remarks in PALMS 58(4) 2014, p. 176 (Hodel et al.: Palms of Taiwan). My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted August 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Syagrus insignis = Lytocaryum insigne before & after 15 months: 2014-05-31 (in 8×8×9 cm pots) 2015-08-31 (in 14.8×17.4 cm pots) My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Syagrus weddelliana = Lytocaryum weddellianum Before & After 2 years:2013-10-01, half a year since germination, encircled the 3 palms #1302, 01 (back), and 04 (front middle) (in 8×9cm clay pots inside 8×8×9 cm plastic pots)2015-10-01, the 3 palms #1302 & 01 (back) and #1304 (front) (in 14.8×17.4cm plastic pots; on the right an old clay+plastic pot for comparison) 4 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Your Lytocaryums look pretty good Pal! These are also my favourite palm ever since my interest in palms began...when I was 10 I think.In 2006 I bought some seeds from a Frenchman and got some seedlings out of that.Today plant has grown and looks like this... 4 www.facebook.com/#!/TotallycoconutsAmsterdam,The Netherlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Hello Kay, so your photos are Before & After 9 years? Most potted Lyto wedds don’t live so long. I had many Lytos in the past too, but because I had to be often a long time out of home (in other continents far away) I saw also most of mine dying. Therefore my "oldest" Lyto wedds are now only from April 2013, only 2 and a half year young.This was also in my case the palm I liked most since I was a child (or not still an adult). My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kai Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Yes Pal, these pictures are before and after 9 years. It's the same plant.I had the misfortune myself for some time to not be able to take care of my palms and this is the only palm from my old collection that I was able to keep. With thanks to my uncle who took care of it for the years I was forced out of the hobby. He did a great job! It's actually trunking now.Your 2013 plants are right at that age that they are going to speed up, so you'd better start making some room... I have another one about that size and it's growing about 6 mm (sorry for you non-metric people) a day and still speeding up. (Call me crazy, but I actually keep up with its growth patterns in an excell file) www.facebook.com/#!/TotallycoconutsAmsterdam,The Netherlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 The speed of growth seems to depend on several factors: Although I treated e.g. these 2 year old 3 Lytos in the same way their growth rate is totally different. The left one is a slow grower, the middel one (#1304 in the photo above) is a normal average grower, and the right one (#1301 above) a very fast grower, much faster than any other of the over 100 Lytos I owned in the past. (The clay pots in the photo below have an diameter of 12 cm.) 2 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmatiansoap Posted October 1, 2015 Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 Nice collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted October 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2015 The small(est) palm on the left is the same as the 3rd one in the front row of the 2013-10-01 photo. My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palm crazy Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Pal Meir, Guten Morgen. How is Ptychosperma macarthurii doing, is it still alive? Do all Ptychosperma like to grow in part shade? If so this might be a good indoor/out palm for me. Roger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenikakias Posted October 2, 2015 Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 The small(est) palm on the left is the same as the 3rd one in the front row of the 2013-10-01 photo.Never mind about the smaller size. It may be 'klein' and 'gemein' at the same time. It's occured to me quite often that fast growers have, alas, also proved fast diers. I adore seeing pictures of individual palms in timeline. Lytos here are very slow, they do not like hot, they do not like dry air, they do not like alkaline soil, they do not like summer sun etc. But they detaste also winter, which is colder than they would prefer, accompanied also usually by a 'healthy' desiccating northern wind, good for drying the laundry, bad for understory palms! I mean every palm that performs poorly here during summer, is a slug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 Pal Meir, Guten Morgen. How is Ptychosperma macarthurii doing, is it still alive? Do all Ptychosperma like to grow in part shade? If so this might be a good indoor/out palm for me. Roger. I don’t know how it is doing now. When I moved in 2008 I gave it away together with almost all my other palms to something like a zoo for birds (Weltvogelpark Walsrode). Though it grows indoors it needs a light, half-sunny place. And it will become very tall soon. So if your rooms don’t have a high ceiling you will enjoy only the suckers. My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted October 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2015 The small(est) palm on the left is the same as the 3rd one in the front row of the 2013-10-01 photo.Never mind about the smaller size. It may be 'klein' and 'gemein' at the same time. It's occured to me quite often that fast growers have, alas, also proved fast diers. I adore seeing pictures of individual palms in timeline. Lytos here are very slow, they do not like hot, they do not like dry air, they do not like alkaline soil, they do not like summer sun etc. But they detaste also winter, which is colder than they would prefer, accompanied also usually by a 'healthy' desiccating northern wind, good for drying the laundry, bad for understory palms! I mean every palm that performs poorly here during summer, is a slug.Yes, you are right: My tiny "bonsai" palms (esp. Chamaerops) have the longest lifetime. – As to L. weddellianum: Did you ever try L. insigne? It seems to be much tougher than its delicate sister. Even my one and a half year old seedlings did endure direct sun here in Germany with temps over 40°C (photo somewhere above in this thread). But during its juvenile stage (the first 2 years) L. insigne is very "syagrussy", that means only undivided simple leaves, very different to L. weddellianum which looks already with only 3 leaves like a "real" palm tree. My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Before & after 6 months: Rhapis micrantha 2015-05-17: 2015-11-17: My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted November 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Why is this site empty: http://palmpedia.net/wiki/Rhapis_micrantha There are enough infos available: http://www.palms.org/palmsjournal/2003/vol47n2p62-78.pdf Cf. also Henderson 2009, p. 161. My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pippo Posted November 17, 2015 Report Share Posted November 17, 2015 Thanks for the awesome pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohsen Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 that's awesome Pal... congrats , as always enjoy watching/ reading your threads and learn many many things... one of the main issue I am having with keeping palm inside beside all other matters is " unhappy wife"with many pot inside...any suggestion for this one ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted January 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Mohsen said: that's awesome Pal... congrats , as always enjoy watching/ reading your threads and learn many many things... one of the main issue I am having with keeping palm inside beside all other matters is " unhappy wife"with many pot inside...any suggestion for this one ? If I would know I should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, I think. 2 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamal Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 One way to get at least 6 months of "peace" is to move the palms to the greenhouse or outside during the summer months. At least, that is what I do. 1 Frank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laaz Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 Those weddellianum's are really nice. I need to find some seeds of those. Nice job Pal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted January 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Syagrus weddelliana before & after 28 months: (1) 6 months old (2013-10-02) in an 8x9cm clay pot with soil mix ca. 60% pine bark (2-8mm) + 30% Seramis® + 10% Kokohum®. (2) 34 months old (2016-01-31) in a 14.8 x 17.4cm plastic pot with ca. 60% pine bark (2-8mm) + 30% Seramis® + 10% LECA as substrate on the bottom for better drainage. My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Happy 2nd Germination-day (216-02-14)! Two years old Syagrus insignis (Lytocaryum insigne) in 14.8×17.4 cm pot with pics taken one (in 8×8×9 cm pot) and two years before: 2 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 The same Syagrus insignis (Lytocaryum insigne) with the leaves numbered: 3 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohsen Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Pal, still no sign of Pinnate ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted February 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 49 minutes ago, Mohsen said: Pal, still no sign of Pinnate ? Maybe the leaf #10 ……… ??? My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bananengeknl Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Hello new leave with a loverly shower L. Insigne, birthday on 24th february. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mohsen Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 On 2/15/2016, 6:46:34, Pal Meir said: Maybe the leaf #10 ……… ??? Lets hope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pal Meir Posted March 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2016 Easter egg 2016 and the same palm egg two years ago in 2014: 5 My photos at flickr: flickr.com/photos/palmeir/albums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm73 Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Pal is there any organic "soil" in the mix in those photos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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