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3 minutes ago, Brad Mondel said:

Looks like Butia and Butia.… 

 

Yeah, it's definitely not a JxS, but maybe another hybrid?

Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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1 minute ago, Ben in Norcal said:

Yeah, it's definitely not a JxS, but maybe another hybrid?

Could be, but I'm pretty sure that seed came from a Butia and not a Jubaea. Unless the original plant was a BxJ and it confused the collector. We would have to see mamma tree to know. 

Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC.

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4 minutes ago, Brad Mondel said:

Could be, but I'm pretty sure that seed came from a Butia and not a Jubaea. Unless the original plant was a BxJ and it confused the collector. We would have to see mamma tree to know. 

Just reviewing the thread and Andrew says it was collected from a Jubaea?  I see no Jubaea in that plant, and it definitely not a JxS.  You are right, it looks very much like a Butia to me, but if Andrew is right and it was collected from a Jubaea - I am not sure how to explain it.  There is no way it is Jubaea pollinated by Syagrus though - that would look vastly different.

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Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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I got this plant from Axel as a gift. He told me he got it off of a Jubaea mother. He also assured me that it was where no Butia were, proximity wise...  I am growing it as a J x S but I can understand if people don't think it looks like that. We don't grow Jubaea here so I am happy it is growing(fast too--way faster than a Butia grows). I have documented the growth on this plant so anyone can see the speed it is achieving. In the end, it comes down to trusting Axel, which I do--he has always been a friend to me...

 

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well hopefully we're wrong and it does turn out to be a hybrid! 

Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC.

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Axel is a good guy at heart, and may well be a hybrid. Definitely not a JxS though. That would look very different - so different that it can't just be down to hybrid variability. Good luck with it, whatever it is! Keep us informed.

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Ben Rogers

On the border of Concord & Clayton in the East Bay hills - Elev 387 ft 37.95 °N, 121.94 °W

My back yard weather station: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/hdfForecast?query=37.954%2C-121.945&sp=KCACONCO37

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And be patient. He can take forever to respond but he will respond eventually! It took about a month to get my order, but you might get it faster. 

Good luck

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This thread is responsible for 2 recent palm purchases, and 3 more coming  before Christmas.   NOW STOP IT.

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On 11/28/2015, 6:49:34, _Keith said:

This thread is responsible for 2 recent palm purchases, and 3 more coming  before Christmas.   NOW STOP IT.

For years I was not a fan of hybrid palms. Of course living in South Florida my choices of palms that I could grow were in the hundreds. If I lived in north Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Louisiana, et al, I'll admit I'd have a forest of muleys going on. Especially the Jubea crosses.

Coral Gables, FL 8 miles North of Fairchild USDA Zone 10B

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About 4 months? Growth

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David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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About 3-4 months? Growth

I've been very impressed ....grows as fast or faster than a mule!

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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On December 13, 2015 at 23:24:25, Alicehunter2000 said:

About 3-4 months? Growth

I've been very impressed ....grows as fast or faster than a mule!

Wow! I think this hybrid is going to become very popular from what I've seen. 

Keith 

Palmetto, Florida (10a) and Tampa, Florida (9b/10a)

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I've been growing the JxS  in Dallas, Tx and then moved it to San Marcos, Tx last spring.  It is a stunning palm with the leaves being held in a flat plane.  The heat has not slowed the growth rate.  It has grown through months of +100* highs and occasional lows of 17* unprotected.  It's slower than BxS and (JxB)xS, but definitely faster than jubaea.  It's more cold hardy than BxS.  It had leaves 8' long before I moved it.  I've been growing this plant since Oct of 2009.  I'll take some new photos & post this weekend.  For some reason, the grasshoppers have a penchant for munching on the leaves during the hottest part of summer.  

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10 hours ago, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

JxS are without a doubt faster than a mule.  Both of mine have a growth rate almost on par with a Washingtonia.

Just to quantify that my remark is in regard to all being potted palms inside a greenhouse, not planted outside.

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JXS are is probably my favorite hybrid Patrick did. I have 2 in the grown and 1 still in a 5 gal that needs to shifted into a 15.

After seeing Gary's JXS multiple times I get excited when I see my little guys in the ground trucking away.

Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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here's a picture of my little guys I'm planting in the ground

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Carlsbad, California Zone 10 B on the hill (402 ft. elevation)

Sunset zone 24

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They look great Josh- look the same as mine did at that age.  All of Patric's JxS I've seen pics of look the same.

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Does anyone have a picture of the mother Jubaea that Patric uses in his cross?

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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On 1/2/2016, 12:19:19, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

That looks like 100% Butia to me.  Too much armament up the petiole for a jubaea hybrid IMO.

When you say 'armament', what do you mean? I have run my fingers down the petiole and there are no thorns--just fibers. The fibers could be what you are talking about, but I don't grow Jubaea or Butia so I can't make the call...

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On December 23, 2015 at 2:43:18 PM, Mandrew968 said:

From Jubaea growers, does this look like a jubaea hybrid?

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Looks like a pure butia to me Andrew but who knows . It could look different with age. I'll bet that those fibers will turn to thorns down the road. 

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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On ‎1‎/‎12‎/‎2016‎ ‎9‎:‎25‎:‎55‎, Mandrew968 said:

When you say 'armament', what do you mean? I have run my fingers down the petiole and there are no thorns--just fibers. The fibers could be what you are talking about, but I don't grow Jubaea or Butia so I can't make the call...

Those fibers will grow into larger thorns and they extend way to far up the petiole to be a hybrid.  A jxb won't have anything much past the "fat" part of the petiole. 

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On 1/16/2016, 2:41:50, TexasColdHardyPalms said:

Those fibers will grow into larger thorns and they extend way to far up the petiole to be a hybrid.  A jxb won't have anything much past the "fat" part of the petiole. 

My JxB

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Perhaps it's an F2 or F3? This would explain more Butia traits. 

Los Angeles, CA and Myrtle Beach, SC.

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24 minutes ago, RJ said:

Any updates to this thread after the years? 

 

 

I'll help bump this thread , definitely some active members still here to show some awesome updated pics !!! 

T J 

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Here is mine in Houston (technically Magnolia, northwest of Houston).   Second pic is when I got it from Patric in December of 2014, 1st picture is from today (was dug up and moved in early 2016). 

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