BillDaCat8 Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 16 hours ago, Garcia3 said: Nice Mules BillDaCat! Where'd you find them? I usually only see them at Treeland Nursery, they have a beautiful older specimen close to a stunning Cuban Royal. Thank you. They are really quite nice. I found them at Whitfill Nursery. 8th Street & Glendale location. I'd like to see that big mule at Treeland. Where are they located? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimeiken Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 those are nice size mules. I didn't know there's a source for larger size like that here locally. I ended up buying a one gallon size online last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueH_AZ Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 Treeland has very nice large mule palm specimens. A friend mentioned that the Moon Valley on Arizona Avenue has some good sized ones for a good price but I can't confirm that myself. That location DOES tend to get a better selection of palms than the others though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimeiken Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 I never expect moonvalley to have good prices lol Do Senegal date palms do well here? I don't know if I've seen any around the valley. Also I'm looking for a source for butia eriospatha (wooly jelly palm). I have a small pindo palm but I read recently that the wooly jelly palm have better tasting fruit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garcia3 Posted May 30, 2018 Report Share Posted May 30, 2018 Treeland is south of the 60 on AZ Ave just past Guadalupe Rd. Here is a pic of their Mule Palm. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichAZ Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 5 hours ago, raimeiken said: Do Senegal date palms do well here? I don't know if I've seen any around the valley. There are several P. Reclinata at the Phoenix Zoo and they're absolutely huge so they can definitely live here. There is one across from the carousel that was recently cut way back as it was just becoming a mess. To your point though, you just don't see that many around. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillDaCat8 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Finally scored a few Psuedophoenix Sargentii seeds as well as a gaggle of Bismarckia Nobilis seeds. Anyone here have any tips on germinating these guys here in the valley? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garcia3 Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 Here is a photo of the Trunk of that same Mule for reference, apologize was having trouble posting this yesterday. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimeiken Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 (edited) how old you think is that? I heard they're fast growing but mine's only been in ground a year and kind of slow so far Edited May 31, 2018 by raimeiken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimeiken Posted May 31, 2018 Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 what do you guys fertilize or feed your palms with? and do you guys use any of the nutritional sprays like the Southern AG palm foliar feed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueH_AZ Posted June 12, 2018 Report Share Posted June 12, 2018 On 5/31/2018, 4:54:12, raimeiken said: how old you think is that? I heard they're fast growing but mine's only been in ground a year and kind of slow so far Most of our Mule Palms have been very fast growers, but we bought one from Whitfill that just isn't taking off like the others. I have one that was a 3 gallon plant five years ago that's at least 15 feet tall to the tip of the tallest frond. It has grown crazy fast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimeiken Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 Any parajubaea torallyi growers here? What's your experience have been with these palms? do they take our summer heat well? winter cold? anyone gotten them to fruit yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueH_AZ Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 hours ago, raimeiken said: Any parajubaea torallyi growers here? What's your experience have been with these palms? do they take our summer heat well? winter cold? anyone gotten them to fruit yet? We have tried two--the first in shade/filtered sun. It never thrived, just declined slowly until it died. We tried another in a sunnier spot, thinking that was the issue. It did exactly the same thing. I've heard of others who have had success with them, but we had no luck at all so we've crossed it off our list. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichAZ Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 6 hours ago, raimeiken said: Any parajubaea torallyi growers here? What's your experience have been with these palms? do they take our summer heat well? winter cold? anyone gotten them to fruit yet? I had a nice 15g that grew strongly through the winter but fried and died its first summer. Maybe try it on the east side of your house? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztropic Posted June 14, 2018 Report Share Posted June 14, 2018 I have a couple of them that have been in the ground for several years each.They DO do most of their growing over our winter.Definitely get a little toasty over our summers but so far,not enough to kill them. Base is currently 8" and I expect it to get ALOT fatter... aztropic Mesa,Arizona 2 4 Mesa, Arizona Temps between 29F and 115F each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimeiken Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 How much sun does it get? I'm about to get torallyi and sunkha. Only sports I have are both sunny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztropic Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Both receive full, burning, western afternoon sun. If I had it to do over,I would have gone with an eastern exposure for this species.Mine survive and grow just fine,but could look better with a little less sun. aztropic Mesa,Arizona 1 Mesa, Arizona Temps between 29F and 115F each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garcia3 Posted June 15, 2018 Report Share Posted June 15, 2018 Question AZ Tropic, in your experience will P. Torallyi always look this "toasted" or does this palm eventually build up some kind of resistance to our sun exposure with age? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 11 hours ago, aztropic said: Both receive full, burning, western afternoon sun. If I had it to do over,I would have gone with an eastern exposure for this species.Mine survive and grow just fine,but could look better with a little less sun. aztropic Mesa,Arizona So it's the afternoon sun that damages them. I like the picture. Doesn't look burned at all. But I see what you're saying. How cold hardy are they? (Considering they be placed on the east side of the property) 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom in Tucson Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 I have 2 P. sunkha in 50% shade, and they never look half as vigorous as the hybrids (BxPjc, BxPjs, and B paraquayensis x Pjc) do. Hi 87°, Lo 69° - cloudy with light rain Tom Birt - Casas Adobes - NW of Tucson since July 2014 formerly in the San Carlos region of San Diego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadphx Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 On 6/15/2018, 9:43:19, aztropic said: Both receive full, burning, western afternoon sun. If I had it to do over,I would have gone with an eastern exposure for this species.Mine survive and grow just fine,but could look better with a little less sun. aztropic Mesa,Arizona How much do you water yours? I have one with an eastern exposure but still gets sun most of the day. I've heard to keep them dry during the hot summer but not sure what this means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztropic Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 18 hours ago, Garcia3 said: Question AZ Tropic, in your experience will P. Torallyi always look this "toasted" or does this palm eventually build up some kind of resistance to our sun exposure with age? No further resistance.September through March,palm grows a new crown of 4 or 5 fronds.Looks fantastic! Goes to sleep over the hot summer and fronds eventually end up about 25% burned before the cycle starts over again.No worries about it freezing in the valley.Ours get deep watered once a week pretty much year round.Seems to be a pretty tough palm but would just look better with a little less sun. aztropic Mesa,Arizona 1 Mesa, Arizona Temps between 29F and 115F each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadphx Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 Mostly common stuff for Phoenix except for the L. australis on the right. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raimeiken Posted June 16, 2018 Report Share Posted June 16, 2018 thanks for all the input! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadphx Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 Thanks for the watering tip Aztropic. Just planted a P. rupicola. Not sure how much sun it can take so I planted it out of direct afternoon sun. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadphx Posted June 20, 2018 Report Share Posted June 20, 2018 I also just planted a Sabal x brazoriensis along the same wall but the picture won’t upload for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillDaCat8 Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) On 5/30/2018, 8:42:52, BillDaCat8 said: Finally scored a few Psuedophoenix Sargentii seeds as well as a gaggle of Bismarckia Nobilis seeds. Anyone here have any tips on germinating these guys here in the valley? We have sprouts! Four of the five Sargentii seeds have sprouted and four of the 15 Bismarckia’s have shot up. Of the Bismarck’s, only eight sank during their initial soaking. So, I wasn’t super optimistic about the whole batch. Four is still more trees than I’ve got room for in my yard anyway considering I already have two in the ground. I’ve “potted” up two of the sargentii in used oatmeal cups for now. I’ll do something larger when we get to some warmer weather. They’re just in plastic buckets out in the garage. Cheap Xmas lights to keep them warm. Have an Ecobee remote sensor in a ziplock bag in there as well. That way I can monitor temps with my phone Edited December 16, 2018 by BillDaCat8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillDaCat8 Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 (edited) Haven’t been posting much. But been doing palm stuff. Earlier in the thread I mentioned surrounds for the trees. Here’s the lawn ornament Bismarck with its new ring. Corten steel rolled into 3’ diameter rings. Edited December 16, 2018 by BillDaCat8 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZPalms Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 1 hour ago, BillDaCat8 said: Haven’t been posting much. But been doing palm stuff. Earlier in the thread I mentioned surrounds for the trees. Here’s the lawn ornament Bismarck with its new ring. Corten steel rolled into 3’ diameter rings. Where are you in the Valley? It’s been a pretty mild winter so far. Palm is looking great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GottmitAlex Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, AZPalms said: Where are you in the Valley? It’s been a pretty mild winter so far. Palm is looking great! White so. Let's see what happened in January. However until now, five days before winter begins, we have a forecast into the 80's for next week. Some say this phenomena hasn't happened in 10 years. But of course, the east coast is going through a very early winter. Here again, something unheard of since 10 years ago. Balance in nature I suppose. 5 year high 42.2C/108F (07/06/2018)--5 year low 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023)--Lowest recent/current winter: 4.6C/40.3F (1/19/2023) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztropic Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 2 hours ago, BillDaCat8 said: We have sprouts! Four of the five Sargentii seeds have sprouted and four of the 15 Bismarckia’s have shot up. Of the Bismarck’s, only eight sank during their initial soaking. So, I wasn’t super optimistic about the whole batch. Four is still more trees than I’ve got room for in my yard anyway considering I already have two in the ground. I’ve “potted” up two of the sargentii in used oatmeal cups for now. I’ll do something larger when we get to some warmer weather. They’re just in plastic buckets out in the garage. Cheap Xmas lights to keep them warm. Have an Ecobee remote sensor in a ziplock bag in there as well. That way I can monitor temps with my phone Long road ahead on growing up those Pseudophoenix.Great choice for our desert climate.Just very slow growers until you get a 6-8 inch base developed,then they actually seem to move along reasonably well. aztropic Mesa,Arizona Mesa, Arizona Temps between 29F and 115F each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztropic Posted December 16, 2018 Report Share Posted December 16, 2018 I grew up a batch of sargentii several years ago.(see pic below) Great palm for our desert climate - just very slow until they develop an 8 inch base,then they seem to finally take off. aztropic Mesa,Arizona Mesa, Arizona Temps between 29F and 115F each year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichAZ Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 Agree on the weird weather. Everything in my yard is still pushing and opening new spears. I've never seen that before this late in the year. On the other hand, I only cut water to every 5 days instead of backing off to once a week so that is likely a factor too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillDaCat8 Posted December 17, 2018 Report Share Posted December 17, 2018 5 hours ago, AZPalms said: Where are you in the Valley? It’s been a pretty mild winter so far. Palm is looking great! Thanks. That pic is a couple months old. The winter rye grass didn’t work out that well this year. I thought these pics were better for sharing. I’m at 35th ave & Bell basically. I’m mostly prepped for the cold. Got a few potted plants that’ll need to be brought in closer to the house. More Xmas lights on the trunks of my more cold sensitive trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZPalms Posted December 18, 2018 Report Share Posted December 18, 2018 21 hours ago, BillDaCat8 said: Thanks. That pic is a couple months old. The winter rye grass didn’t work out that well this year. I thought these pics were better for sharing. I’m at 35th ave & Bell basically. I’m mostly prepped for the cold. Got a few potted plants that’ll need to be brought in closer to the house. More Xmas lights on the trunks of my more cold sensitive trees. I prepped a bit as well but the only things I’ve moved into my greenhouse are my papayas, spindle palm and bottle palm. Everything else is out in pots or planted in ground. Even my banana looks good! Last year day time highs were warmer but the night time lows this year so far (fingers crossed) could be another 40f+ low winter. My yard low has been 40f on the dot. Last year was 38f. Still not complaining!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichAZ Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Hi guys! I'm seriously crushing on the giant Baobab trees from Madagascar. Has anyone tried growing any species of Adansonia here in the valley and if so, what was your experience? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas_Sancona Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, RichAZ said: Hi guys! I'm seriously crushing on the giant Baobab trees from Madagascar. Has anyone tried growing any species of Adansonia here in the valley and if so, what was your experience? Thanks. Can't share personal experience w / these here, but have also wondered the same thing, and probably would try a few if staying put.. That said, and i'm sure there are those who might assume otherwise.. or direct pitchforks in my direction, lol.. i don't see why they wouldn't stand a chance.. We have the heat ( both a potentially good..and not so great factor) Get summer rainfall ( some years better than others of course)... not too much winter rain ( more years than not) Cold exposure might be a factor to consider but not all that much that you couldn't place it somewhere that offers enough protection when young, and get it to a size where it might be able to fend off a few days of frost better, why not try it.. U of A apparently has two Adinsonia za in the Campus Arboretum collection that, at least from pictures on their directory, look big and have flowered.. Tucson gets a *bit* colder than a majority of the Valley, especially in Gilbert ..so, if they can pull it off, twice.. why couldn't you? I'd say, if you have the space, can offer both cold and sun protection ( White wash the trunk when young ) and the dedication, give it a go.. I'd also look into trying Gumbo Limbo (Bursera simaruba) though, if you can find them locally ( specific nursery in Tucson has them, along with various Baobabs fairly regularly) you'll have to start small. Again, i know some might be of a differing opinion, which is fine.. but in my own experience, mine have done fine here.. and they're small, even my biggest ..which i kept outside through this weeks cold spell. No burn, etc damage to the foliage. I do keep them in a spot where the sun doesn't hit them in summer since they're in pots. Very fast growers in the summer, esp. once Monsoon season kicks in, or has been what i have observed. In the ground, in a spot where the sun is filtered, at least until they have some size to take on full summer sun.. that drains well, especially in the winter, i'd suspect they'd do fine.. and are great looking trees that can provide good shade, if you let them get big enough to provide canopy.. have seen nice specimens kept no taller than 15ft through yearly pruning back in Florida. I can only imagine how good the street median out front would look with these planted in it.. If i wasn't moving, i'd be working on getting some big enough to plant out there.. Good luck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garcia3 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Dude………….. first off welcome to Caudiciform Trees, you are opening pandora’s plant box. Pachycaul trees are amazing and there are so many we can grow here. Adansonia do fairly well in phx, I am growing A. Grandidieri myself, and I know a couple of people growing A. Digitata. Generally, they seem to be strong plants handling full sun (some late afternoon filtered shade), prefer excellent drainage, and require frost protection. Their only drawback seems to be the slow growth rate. You may not see any significant size in your lifetime. If you like Adansonia, check out others like; Aloidendron Bursera, Brachychiton, Beaucarneas, Cyphostemma, Dracaena, Ficus, Moringa, Pachypodium, Pachycormus. For a source, check out Arid Lands Nursery, or Plants of the southwest in Tucson, they carry Adansonia from time to time. If you get the chance I suggest you head down to Plants of the Southwest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silas_Sancona Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Garcia3 said: Dude………….. first off welcome to Caudiciform Trees, you are opening pandora’s plant box. Pachycaul trees are amazing and there are so many we can grow here. Adansonia do fairly well in phx, I am growing A. Grandidieri myself, and I know a couple of people growing A. Digitata. Generally, they seem to be strong plants handling full sun (some late afternoon filtered shade), prefer excellent drainage, and require frost protection. Their only drawback seems to be the slow growth rate. You may not see any significant size in your lifetime. If you like Adansonia, check out others like; Aloidendron Bursera, Brachychiton, Beaucarneas, Cyphostemma, Dracaena, Ficus, Moringa, Pachypodium, Pachycormus. For a source, check out Arid Lands Nursery, or Plants of the southwest in Tucson, they carry Adansonia from time to time. If you get the chance I suggest you head down to Plants of the Southwest. ^ Agree, often has / grows stuff Arid lands might not.. Also grows some harder to find Cycads as well.. Some additional caudiciform things to look for, if they interest you / either of you: Cyrtocarpa edulis ( Baja Plum, Ciruelo. Fruit is edible) Jatropha macrocarpa, Ipomoea arborescens and pauciflora; Commiphora ( several sp) and Boswellia ( Frankenscense) Mine did fine through the cold this week.. DBG has the largest specimen i have seen locally. Another id highly recommend anyone into Caudiciforms to search for, Manihot caudata.. Don't know of any direct sources but someone i know in Tucson obtained a specimen from someone else down there.. Really cool tree that looks a lot like Cercropia peltata ( bluish leaves, silvery underneath) but grows like Bursera ( dark reddish brown, peeling bark ) Some pictures of it can be seen on the Explore Life On Earth's "The Mexican clade of Manihot" page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichAZ Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Thanks very much for the detailed and informative responses. I stayed up way to late researching these. I have a feeling I will be planting something as soon as it warms up a bit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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