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Best line from Gonzer in person... "Man, I thought a Zamboni was gonna come scooting by on that frost..." :lol:

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."

"Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

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Saw clouds in the sky last night so figured I wouldn't have to cover anything. 33.8f frost again but mostly on the roof tops.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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32 this morning........hatin' it!

John Case

Brentwood CA

Owner and curator of Hana Keu Garden

USDA Zone 9b more or less, Sunset Zone 14 in winter 9 in summer

"Its always exciting the first time you save the world. Its a real thrill!"

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36.9 frost on cars and roof. grass was wet...

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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In my neck of the woods the bottom has been 36. 2 1/2 months to go!

Tyler

Coastal Zone 9a

''Karma is a good girl, she just treats you exactly how you treat her"

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In my neck of the woods the bottom has been 36. 2 1/2 months to go!

I'd put on something warmer around it, you wouldn't want to get a chill there, LOL.

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37 at 7am no frost at all, even the roof tops were frost free. That's a nice change of pace.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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Hasn't froze here this year yet....keeping fingers crossed for the next 2 months.

David Simms zone 9a on Highway 30a

200 steps from the Gulf in NW Florida

30 ft. elevation and sandy soil

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43 at 7am but for the next 4 days my forecast says 34 34 36 34... I don't like that.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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SOOO glad i am not growing cold-sensitive plants any longer....nice to be able to see the temps going down into the mid 30's following rain for consecutive nights in a row and not have to freak out about it...bizzies, butias and ravanea glaucas don't even flinch at these temps.

B)

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33.5 at 6:15am. My trucks windows were frozen shut!

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"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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SOOO glad i am not growing cold-sensitive plants any longer....nice to be able to see the temps going down into the mid 30's following rain for consecutive nights in a row and not have to freak out about it...bizzies, butias and ravanea glaucas don't even flinch at these temps.

B)

That's a cold shot.

Carl

Vista, CA

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About 35F at 7:15 am... and this on my Deck again... oooo isn't this fun! :sick:

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With a week of this to go!!! :rant:

coldest on tues night.

Zone 10a at best after 2007 AND 2013, on SW facing hill, 1 1/2 miles from coast in Oceanside, CA. 30-98 degrees, and 45-80deg. about 95% of the time.

"The great workman of nature is time."

"Genius is nothing but a great aptitude for patience."

-George-Louis Leclerc de Buffon-

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SOOO glad i am not growing cold-sensitive plants any longer....nice to be able to see the temps going down into the mid 30's following rain for consecutive nights in a row and not have to freak out about it...bizzies, butias and ravanea glaucas don't even flinch at these temps.

B)

That's a cold shot.

nah...it's the cold truth....there are PLENTY of very nice looking cold tolerant palms to be planted...you wanna grow tropicals and have them look nice year-round? get a place in leilani and go for it!

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just to be clear...i learned my lesson in '07...when i woke up to 100 five-gallon kings that i had nurtured for 4 years turn chocolate brown in one night.

planting cyrtostachys renda outside in socal is tantamount to torture...

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38F @ Manambe Lavaka in Spring Valley this morning. No frost observed, even while driving through the bottom of Spring Valley.

When I got to my parents place/the office in Alpine it was 33F with patchy frost on the ground. Here's some pics from Alpine this morning. I've planted Butia, Brahea, C. radicalis here in Alpine and they all have been fine with occasional light frost.

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Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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I would rather not worry about what is planted every time the temp falls below 36F, but it give me something to do, :P and as you said there are many great looking “cold tolerant” palms. Using 2007 as a learning experience, I planted many cold tolerant species, but some of the more sensitive zone pushing palms did survive.

The “zone” pushers that I worry about I really shouldn’t because most of the damage is only cosmetic, and they did survive 25F in 2007. Heck, my sun exposed kentias and Rhopalstylis received more damage from the heat this year than any cold since 2007, but the harsh reality is that one of these days it will hit 20F here in North County and I can start with a clean slate. :evil:

By the way, I was kidding about the coconut, lipstick and metroxylon.

Carl

Vista, CA

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i have been transformed since the "big freeze" carl...it just pains me to see certain species of palms being forced to "survive" outside in southern california rather than thrive in a climate more conducive to their growth...i think the turning point for me was when i started making yearly trips back to oahu a few years back, and noticed the beauty of the palms GROWING (not struggling) where it rains almost every day, and nighttime temps rarely fall below the mid 60's...

just seems that here, for whatever reason, it has been getting cold earlier each year, as well as the fact that freezing or near freezing temps seem to occur much more often...

at my dad's place in vista, the pritchardias get nailed hard every year,,,and i don't expect the Chambeyronia macrocarpa to look very nice this coming spring if it survives at all...i'm just done with torturing palms is what i'm trying to say essentially.

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Is anyone in Murrieta/Temecula? I have a friend who recorded 18F this morning. I suspect that his thermometer was giving a false reading but he said that there was frost on the ground before it got dark last night. Can anyone confirm this? He is in a low spot and normally reads 5-10 degrees colder than surrounding areas, but 18F seems really low.

Matt Bradford

"Manambe Lavaka"

Spring Valley, CA (8.5 miles inland from San Diego Bay)

10B on the hill (635 ft. elevation)

9B in the canyon (520 ft. elevation)

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30f on the nose at 6:50am. Was expecting 36. Didn't cover anything and there's frost everywhere. This winter is awful for me so far.

"it's not dead it's sleeping"

Santee ca, zone10a/9b

18 miles from the ocean

avg. winter 68/40.avg summer 88/64.records 113/25

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Yikes, I hate to see all this cold. At least this morning was better, with a low of 9C (47F) at my place...

I was out of town since mid Dec, but fortunately it looks like all the palms are fine here in El Sereno (although my thermometer shows that I did have one night below 40F during that stretch).

I agree with others, and I've definitely changed my focus over the years. I'm tired of growing sickly palms that aren't well suited to our cold climate. I have quite a few of these tender palms in the ground, and many more in my greenhouse that I _might_ plant at some point, but I've more or less stopped purchasing such palms in favor of palms that thrive in our climate (like Brahea!).

Jack Sayers

East Los Angeles

growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle...

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