bubba Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Desmond Muirhead's book on Palm's reported that freezing temperatures had been recorded on the pier at Santa Catalina Island and accordingly no location in California could be considered "frost-free".The discussion on this board suggests that their are many micro-climates in California that are "frost-free".Where are the micro-climates in California that may be most suitable for the growing of coconut palms? What you look for is what is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elHoagie Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Looking at the records, I don't think there's anywhere in California that won't freeze on a 100 year timescale, except maybe some exceptional locations on steep south facing slopes. Every long term recording station has dropped to at least -2C (29F). But, with global warming, there may be some locations that won't freeze in the next hundred years... As SoCal Dave and I mentioned in another post, the main areas of borderline USDA zone 10B/11A are coastal San Diego and the low-elevation south facing slopes of the Santa Monica mountains (like El Sereno, south Pasadena, downtown LA, Silverlake, Hollywood, Beverly Hills, etc.). Of all these locations, the eastern edge of the Santa Monica mountains (El Sereno, downtown LA) is the warmest in the summer since it's the furthest inland. So, I would guess that's the best place to try Cocos. Jack Sayers East Los Angeles growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmy Posted July 5, 2006 Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 What bout keywest, have they ever seen a frost? The only guess would be clemente island. but maybe in calipatria? Next to the big fat lake(blanking on the name) on the south side? Meteorologist and PhD student in Climate Science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted July 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2006 Lowest temperature recorded in Key West was 41 degrees fahrenheit.No frost. What is a Calipatria? What you look for is what is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVE IN SO CAL Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 (bubba @ Jul. 05 2006,17:22)QUOTELowest temperature recorded in Key West was 41 degrees fahrenheit.No frost. What is a Calipatria? It's how a dyslexic spells "catapillar" If global warming means I can grow Cocos Nucifera, then bring it on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Hey Bubba, I like the name. It would fit in well here in Florida. As a matter of fact I think it is our official state name. Anyway if your up for it, go find a book called simply enough, the National Garden Book. The first half of the book covers microclimates in California ad nauseum. Its printed by Sunset books, fittingly enough in Menlo Park Cali. This should give you a good fix on your querries. If your not up for a book go to weather.com. Look up your area by zip code and go to the averages and records area. This should fill you with microclimate joy. I was pitching this site to some others on another post. I cant say enough good things about it as far as obsessing about climate data. Regarding Cocos Nucifera in California. Don't hold your breath. They evolved in heat and they love year 'round heat. You guys get hot enough in the summer, but the winters are too cool. Anything below fifty five degrees and they stop growing. This may invite fungus attacks. There are probably others who can give you a better low down on coconuts lack of success in California. I am curious however if anyone out your way has tried Beccariophoenix Madagascariensis. It may be worth looking into. I have some of these growing here in Fla. And they look a lot like coconuts. Good luck. Has anyone in Caliornia tried Beccariophoenix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezpalms Posted July 6, 2006 Report Share Posted July 6, 2006 Beccariophoenix does great in so cal!!! Dave Hughson Carlsbad, Ca 1 mile from ocean Zone 10b Palm freaks are good peeps!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicure3 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 I have a beccariophoenix growing in my backyard. It is extremely slow. No winter issues though, which is good. I have the one with no windows. Coastal San Diego, California Z10b Dry summer subtropical/Mediterranean warm summer/mild winter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Bubba, I think the term "never say never" would apply here. There are areas in the So Cal Coast that haven't seen freezes for decades, but with a terrible year, it could happen. And, the lack of a freeze does not guarantee a Coconut will grow. There are a few surviving Coconuts here in So Cal, but the vast majority have died because they don't tolerate the thirties at all. Best to pick an alternative species. Even though Southern Florida can see a lower winter temp than So Cal during some years, they can grow Coconuts and we can't here. This is because they only see really cold nights for a day or two, and then they're back to their blistering warmth. We typically go down in temps slowly and come back up slowly. They go down rapidly and bounce right back. Phil Jungle Music Palms and Cycads, established 1977 and located in Encinitas, CA, 20 miles north of San Diego on the Coast. Phone: 619 2914605 Link to Phil's Email phil.bergman@junglemusic.net Website: www.junglemusic.net Link to Jungle Music Palms and Cycads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter John Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 (Phil @ Jul. 07 2006,08:46)QUOTEBubba, I think the term "never say never" would apply here. There are areas in the So Cal Coast that haven't seen freezes for decades, but with a terrible year, it could happen. And, the lack of a freeze does not guarantee a Coconut will grow. There are a few surviving Coconuts here in So Cal, but the vast majority have died because they don't tolerate the thirties at all. Best to pick an alternative species. Even though Southern Florida can see a lower winter temp than So Cal during some years, they can grow Coconuts and we can't here. This is because they only see really cold nights for a day or two, and then they're back to their blistering warmth. We typically go down in temps slowly and come back up slowly. They go down rapidly and bounce right back. Phil That sounds like here in Brisbane. Cold but for only a few days and only for a short time, warms up quick. Rarely get into 30s farenheit though. Funny you know , before I got onto this IPS message board I would have thought California would have coconut palms everywhere along the coast at least. It's nice to learn things here. Happy GardeningCheers, WalQueensland, Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted July 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 I believe coconuts will be grown sucessfully in some of the Californian microclimates previously identified. I also believe the climate of the entire western portion of North America is growing warmer. What you look for is what is looking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 (Phil @ Jul. 07 2006,08:46)QUOTE Even though Southern Florida can see a lower winter temp than So Cal during some years, they can grow Coconuts and we can't here. It would be very rare that South Florida would see temperatures colder than So Cal, IMO since the average winter low is around 60F. Miami's Jan low average 63F, So Cals are in the upper 40s or so. It would have to be an absolute brutal cold snap for that to happen. http://weather.yahoo.com/climo/USFL0316_f.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elHoagie Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 (syersj @ Jul. 07 2006,13:51)QUOTEIt would be very rare that South Florida would see temperatures colder than So Cal, IMO since the average winter low is around 60F. Miami's Jan low average 63F, So Cals are in the upper 40s or so. It would have to be an absolute brutal cold snap for that to happen. It's not that rare for South Florida to get colder than Southern California. For the sake of quantifying the argument, here's the yearly low temperatures for 2000-2004 according to NOAA LA downtown: 38 39 39 38 39 San Diego: 41 40 39 41 43 Miami Beach: 44 37 42 39 42 Key West: 53 45 46 46 50 The average lows over this period are LA downtown: 38.6 San Diego: 40.8 Miami Beach: 40.8 Key West: 48.0 So, the average yearly low for San Diego and Miami were the same over that five year period, and Miami had a colder low temperatute than San Diego in 3 of the 5 years. Jack Sayers East Los Angeles growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spockvr6 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 (elHoagie @ Jul. 07 2006,14:33)QUOTESo, the average yearly low for San Diego and Miami were the same over that five year period, and Miami had a colder low temperatute than San Diego in 3 of the 5 years. So where are the Coconuts?!?!?! LOL. Larry Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith N Tampa (ex SoJax) Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Guys, those average lows in above post are really the average coldest night, not the average lows. It's a small but very significant distinction if you are a Coconut. Some Coconuts will suffer chilling injury after a night or two in the mid 30's. Certainly, they will suffer if night time temps are in the 30's and 40's for weeks on end. Cocos is native to tropical climates where annual temperatures average 70F or higher . SoCal and most of FL, are not tropical enough for them to thrive. Though FL has escaped serious arctic intrusion for a few seasons and Coconuts and Royals are "creeping" into & up the penninsula, long-term, they really have been/are religated to coastal areas South of Tampa and Coco Beach/Vero Beach on the East Coast as well as the southern shore of Lake Okeechobee. Yes, one has survived 3 winters in St Augustine, and there are some around Orlando, but those specimens are not long-term survivors. Unless someone corrects me, I'm only aware of one stunted long-term Coconut in California. 1 Land O Lakes FL, a suburb on the North Side of Tampa, FL Summers are great, 90f/32c in the day & 70f/21c at night with plentiful rain & sun Winters are subtropical with occasional frosts and freezes. Tropical cyclones happen. We have a few Royal palms in the warm microclimates but Coconuts freeze. I am a Kayaker, Hiker, Bicyclist, and amateur Photographer that loves the outdoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 The California low temps sounds right.But its hard to beleive Miami Beach has winter AVERAGE lows of 40.Miami with the Gulf stream cannot be the same as S.C. with the Alaskan current. Are you sure?...that other claim of 63 seems more appropiate. Where are the coconuts and the Oscar fish and Tarpon in S.C. is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 (elHoagie @ Jul. 07 2006,14:33)QUOTE (syersj @ Jul. 07 2006,13:51)QUOTEIt would be very rare that South Florida would see temperatures colder than So Cal, IMO since the average winter low is around 60F. Miami's Jan low average 63F, So Cals are in the upper 40s or so. It would have to be an absolute brutal cold snap for that to happen. It's not that rare for South Florida to get colder than Southern California. For the sake of quantifying the argument, here's the yearly low temperatures for 2000-2004 according to NOAA LA downtown: 38 39 39 38 39 San Diego: 41 40 39 41 43 Miami Beach: 44 37 42 39 42 Key West: 53 45 46 46 50 The average lows over this period are LA downtown: 38.6 San Diego: 40.8 Miami Beach: 40.8 Key West: 48.0 So, the average yearly low for San Diego and Miami were the same over that five year period, and Miami had a colder low temperatute than San Diego in 3 of the 5 years. Well, I guess technically you may be correct, but please remember that San Diego and the rest of Socal STAYS in the 40s/low 50s for long extended periods of time for lows, where S. FL dips down to these lows only very occasionally with the coldest of cold fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgl Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Adding to Phil's comments (which I agree with), and commenting on the stats supplied by ElHoagie (and as someone who has lived in both places - 7 years in S.FL and 10 years in the San Diego area): statistics are great and can be very useful, BUT you need to look beyond them. Despite the seemingly similar temps, there are more differences than there are similarities: 1) So FL is around 24-25 degrees N, SoCal around 32-33N or so. Everything else being equal, this means warmer days in general (in SoFL) and it also (as Phil mentioned) means that when the sun comes out, things will get warm MUCH faster (in SoFL), and 2) the Pacific Ocean next to SoCal is very cold while the Gulf Stream right next to SoFL is VERY warm. Ocean temps have a major impact on climate in general. (I should know, being from Sweden, which, without the Gulf Stream, would be like northern Canada - very frigid!). And finally, 3) winter in SoCal is typically cool and wet while winter in SoFl is typically warm and dry with just the occasional cold front (preceded by a day of rain). People in FL never talk about wind chill factor, but when those Canadian cold fronts hit, it gets bitterly cold for a day or two. Other than that the winter in SoFL is as close to perfect as it gets, for people and for palms. My guess is that soil temp is also considerably warmer, at ANY given time of the year, in SoFL compared to SoCal and this is going to have a major impact on palm growth. 1 Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Not to beat this dead horse again, but in addition, although the annual low of Miami and San Diego may be similar (around 40 degrees). If you randomly took 100 winter days in S. FL and 100 winter days in S Cal, the low would be higher in S. FL probably 95-98 times out of 100 or so. That is what I meant by it is rare that S FL gets colder than So Cal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 Ok i see.Your saying Jack that Miami had one night of 37 in 03 and etc,...and the total of those types of night over five years is lower than S.C. That helps to show the moderation in S.C...but San Francisco over five years is near Miami Beach or S.C.. in lowest of lows.Thats temps, not people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spockvr6 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 (syersj @ Jul. 07 2006,15:42)QUOTENot to beat this dead horse again, but in addition, although the annual low of Miami and San Diego may be similar (around 40 degrees). If you randomly took 100 winter days in S. FL and 100 winter days in S Cal, the low would be higher in S. FL probably 95-98 times out of 100 or so. That is what I meant by it is rare that S FL gets colder than So Cal. And this is also where (as I noted in another thread) that Heating Degree Days become very useful to better understand a climate. Larry Palm Harbor, FL 10a / Ft Myers, FL 10b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris78 Posted July 7, 2006 Report Share Posted July 7, 2006 I think ave lows are the ave low for the year. Which is just an ave of the lowest temperature reached. Reading climate reports one has to be carefull what they are ave etc... The mean daily min temp. for Miami and SD over 30 years or so are listed below Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr San Deigo 53 48 48 50 52 55 Miami 66 61 59 60 64 67 These are the ave night time lows...all the night are included... not just the one coldest night. You can look at the cooling degree days to see how much heat a climate may have.... Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr San Deigo 19 7 9 10 9 23 Miami 264 168 156 149 221 306 Miami has alot more winter heat than SD Phoenix Area, Arizona USA Low Desert...... Zone 9b Jan ave 66 high and 40 low July ave 105 high and 80 low About 4 to 8 frost a year...ave yearly min temp about 27F About 8 inches of rain a year. Low Desert Cool Mtn climate at 7,000' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elHoagie Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 I understand that Miami has a MUCH different climate than San Diego. I thought syersj was talking about the yearly low temperatures in SoCal being much colder than the yearly low temperatures in Miami in his original post. Now I understand that he was referring to daily low temperatures. I thought I made it pretty clear in my post that I was giving the yearly low temperatures for each location... Jack Sayers East Los Angeles growing cold tolerant palms halfway between the equator and the arctic circle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 (elHoagie @ Jul. 07 2006,20:03)QUOTEI understand that Miami has a MUCH different climate than San Diego. I thought syersj was talking about the yearly low temperatures in SoCal being much colder than the yearly low temperatures in Miami in his original post. Now I understand that he was referring to daily low temperatures. I thought I made it pretty clear in my post that I was giving the yearly low temperatures for each location... elHoagie, no problem, you were correct that Miami can get cold on a one time annual low, but on avg. they are much warmer. Not being from SoCal, wouldn't inland San Diego be more likely grow cocos due to the desert heat and much higher temps. I know just a few miles away from the coast makes a difference. Or do they drop off too much at night being away from the coast. I seem to remember someone posting that they were growing cocos in inland desert areas of socal in another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgl Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Seems like this thread should be in the Weather/Climate forum!? Jim, re inland SoCal, generally speaking when you get further inland, the extremes are greater - it's colder on the coldest winter nights and it's warmer on the warmest summer days. The heat obviously is fine for most of the palms, it's the cold winter nights that's the problem. Which is why you can forget about growing coconuts inland! Also, inland humidity during the summer (because of more days with sunshine) tend to be lower than close to the coast, and this can also be a problem for some palms. I would be very much interested in hearing about anyone successfully growing coconuts inland in SoCal - and inland would have to be at least 7-8 miles from the coast to get away from the marine influence, and it doesn't count if you just planted the palm last month..... Leilani Estates, 25 mls/40 km south of Hilo, Big Island of Hawai'i. Elevation 880 ft/270 m. Average rainfall 140 inches/3550 mm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 For some reason, I seem to remember someone posting a while back that they were growing cocos in Palm Springs or somewhere like that, and they had made it a couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruskinPalms Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Well. I guess coconut is the holy grail for most palm growers including sealing wax (sorry I don't remember their latin names well). I have never been to california but my wife has...she loves it out there. That being said, I thought cocos grew out there. Just how cold is it? The winter lows are totally acceptable according to the stats. Really, it is a bunch of poop that cocos grow around here (tampa area) considering that there are yearly freezes and frosts. There is a stand of large cocos in Brandon Fl of all places quite inland at a garden nursery. They receive yearly foliar damage, but they persist. I have seen trunking cocos here in the homeland here in Ruskin FL for whatever reason they make it. But hey, I don't know if they are long term aroud here. I know they are quite long term from the barrier islands south starting in pinellas county south. Now for the sealing wax, I don't think I have actually ever seen one in person! Parrish, FL Zone 9B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 (ruskinPalms @ Jul. 08 2006,00:42)QUOTEWell. I guess coconut is the holy grail for most palm growers including sealing wax (sorry I don't remember their latin names well). I have never been to california but my wife has...she loves it out there. That being said, I thought cocos grew out there. Just how cold is it? The winter lows are totally acceptable according to the stats. Really, it is a bunch of poop that cocos grow around here (tampa area) considering that there are yearly freezes and frosts. There is a stand of large cocos in Brandon Fl of all places quite inland at a garden nursery. They receive yearly foliar damage, but they persist. I have seen trunking cocos here in the homeland here in Ruskin FL for whatever reason they make it. But hey, I don't know if they are long term aroud here. I know they are quite long term from the barrier islands south starting in pinellas county south. Now for the sealing wax, I don't think I have actually ever seen one in person! Bill, see the above posts which explain well the problem with Coconuts in California.....stays cold longer. We need a "heating degree days" thread, or maybe I've missed one here that Larry mentions above. To see a Crytostachys renda, you need to get to Fairchild -- they're in the conservatory there. In fact, no matter what you want to see, you need to get to Fairchild! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomsDave Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Miami and So-Cal are apples and oranges. Miami is one giant alfresco greenhouse. High heat and humidity. So-cal lacks the humiidty, most of the time. For us palmoids, that's the critical difference for most tropical (or temperate) palm species. dave Let's keep our forum fun and friendly. Any data in this post is provided 'as is' and in no event shall I be liable for any damages, including, without limitation, damages resulting from accuracy or lack thereof, insult, or lost profits or revenue, claims by third parties or for other similar costs, or any special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of my opinion or the use of this data. The accuracy or reliability of the data is not guaranteed or warranted in any way and I disclaim liability of any kind whatsoever, including, without limitation, liability for quality, performance, merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose arising out of the use, or inability to use my data. Other terms may apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmy Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 In florida, you have temps that go up and down by a lot. Here in cali it might be 40 at nigth and it may reach 50-60 in the day but in florida you might have the same thing? If its raining here when its that cold we have trouble with a number of palms. Tell me if you have rain when its 50 for a long time in south florida? Meteorologist and PhD student in Climate Science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 (Palmy @ Jul. 08 2006,19:00)QUOTEIn florida, you have temps that go up and down by a lot. Here in cali it might be 40 at nigth and it may reach 50-60 in the day but in florida you might have the same thing? If its raining here when its that cold we have trouble with a number of palms. Tell me if you have rain when its 50 for a long time in south florida? A 50 degree day in South FL would be very rare since the avg daytime winter highs are in the mid 70s to 80F. So that would be a day 25-30F below average. Could happen, but the bounce back to 75 degrees would be fairly quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trópico Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Usually, the way the winter cold front behaves around here (Orlando) is like this: 1. Arctic front gets forecasted. 2. Palmaholics freak out. 3. Cloudiness and light drizzle. This is the warm part of the cold front. Plenty of time to rush palms into garage. 4. Rather cool night with diminishing rain. 5. Next day: Sunny and dry. High around 50ºF. 6. Nighttime low near or below freezing. 7. Next day: Temps bouncing back to mid 60s to mid 70s. 8. Dry until the next cold front arrives. Damage assessment, tears, etc. This is in general but depending on the time of the year and severity of the front we may have two freezing nights in a row or none at all. Only for about a week in January we don't go above 70ºF at all. I have seen warmups such as from 25ºF in the morning to 65ºF the same afternoon. The lowest temp while raining is around 45ºF to 50ºF but very rare and lasts only a couple of hours. Lower than that and there could be snow in FL. Winter is the driest season and our sandy soils help drain whatever rain we get in the wintertime. I understand that the killer of coconuts in South Cal is that soils are very humid and cold in the wintertime thus allowing for root rot to happen, or am I wrong? Has anyone tried taking that out of the equation, ie. growing one in a pot, outside, sheltered from rain, maybe against a south facing wall, to see what happens? 1 Frank Zone 9b pine flatlands humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters with yearly freezes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 I thought Orlando averaged about 1 freeze every 2-3 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Riffle Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Bubba, you have a copy of Desmond Muirhead's paperback, Palms? Wonderful! I still very much enjoy looking through it. Do you happen to know when it was published? NOwhere can I find a pub date in it but I've had it about as long as I have McCurrach's Palms of the World (early 60s). If all Syagrus romanzoffiana looked as good as the one pictured (b&w on p. 45 in Santa Barbara) they'd NEVER be called "weeds!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trópico Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 (syersj @ Jul. 08 2006,23:32)QUOTEI thought Orlando averaged about 1 freeze every 2-3 years or so. On average, I would say 1-2 freezes a year. There are years that (officially) we have no freezes at all but others make up for that with more than 2 freezes. The official reading is buried within the downtown concrete microclimate of the Orlando executive airport. Here's a comparison using a very useful tool by weather.com between San Diego, CA and Orlando, FL. Worth giving a try: On average Orlando, FL is warmer than San Diego, CA by 13°F. The highest temperature, 111°F in San Diego, CA, was recorded in 1963. San Diego, CA on average is cooler than Orlando, FL by 4°F. Orlando, FL recorded the lowest temperature of 19°F in 1985. Orlando, FL averages more precipitation than San Diego, CA by 37.6in. One unexpected detail, though, is that our average winter rainfall (about 2.3") is still higher than in San Diego which tops at about 2.2" in January, according to the bar graphs from weather.com. I thought our winters were drier. Frank Zone 9b pine flatlands humid/hot summers; dry/cool winters with yearly freezes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Wychgel Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 (Robert Lee Riffle @ Jul. 09 2006,05:01)QUOTEBubba, you have a copy of Desmond Muirhead's paperback, Palms? Wonderful! I still very much enjoy looking through it. Do you happen to know when it was published? NOwhere can I find a pub date in it but I've had it about as long as I have McCurrach's Palms of the World (early 60s). RLR, It was published in 1961 I own a copy with the bookmark of Clare Booth Luce,a remarkable woman who had a house in Honolulu in the late sixties. Charles Wychgel Algarve/Portugal Sunset zone 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Lee Riffle Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 Charles-- Fascinating! She also lived, I believe, for a while in AZ (Phoenix?) and that may be where she got it since the publisher is (was) there. 1961 seems now like another time (long, long ago) and place (in a galaxy far, far away), n'est-ce pas? --bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Wychgel Posted July 9, 2006 Report Share Posted July 9, 2006 (Robert Lee Riffle @ Jul. 09 2006,21:39)QUOTE1961 seems now like another time (long, long ago) and place (in a galaxy far, far away), n'est-ce pas? aah...but I was so much older then.... I'm younger than that now..... Charles Wychgel Algarve/Portugal Sunset zone 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 Here's a picture of the Cocos nucifera growing in Newport Beach, CA. It is just off of a main highway and accross the street from the Newport Harbor. BTW, The Palms Society of Southern California adopted this palm - not sure what exactly that means but it we have discussed it in a few of our board meetings. This picture was taken in March of 2005 and uploaded in April 2005. There isn't a lick of winter burn on the famed tree. It grows next to a south facing brick/stucco wall, at the base of a short cliff. This baby has got everything going its way! :cool: Pic #1 of the famed California C. nucifera Pic #2 - opposite angle John Mendoza Landscape Designer, Owner Tropical Vibe Nursery and Landscape www.tropicalvibe.com 949.340.5444 -Full Landscape design and installation -Wide variety of palms and tropicals, centrally located in Orange County -Complete line of garden care products available everyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBTX11 Posted July 10, 2006 Report Share Posted July 10, 2006 If one can be grown, why not another. What makes this one so special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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